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I hate Eden Hazard because he hasn't already scored 200 goals for Chelsea and he because was bought for £32 million and because other people like him and because other people hate him and because he h

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How did we go from discussing a contract extension to a move to Madrid? Bored journos pulling old rumours out of their backsides is one of the reasons I hate international breaks. No doubt next month we'll have someone revive the classic 'Hulk to Chelsea' story.

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Rumor has it that this is bullshit shot in a fan... it makes no sense.

First of all, Hazard didn't have an amazing season, he had an amazing streak, but he started 'badly' and finished 'badly' as well. Second, they signed James and Isco, Ronaldo is far from starting the decline of his peak... he's still a beast, they have Bale. Where does Hazard even fit? I know that's a pointless question in terms of Madrid, but unless Hazard really has an amazing season - something he's yet to do consistently - they have the flavor of month already playing for them. This season could be James, Bale and Cris season. Those three could have their best season ever (maybe except Cris - he isn't on decline yet, but I think his best season will always have been two seasons ago)... not even Perez would do that... their AMs are set, they have two of the best wingers in the world - even if I'm not a Bale fan per say - and they have an incredible, young, talented CAM. And a nice bench. I think they'll go for a striker or some everyone-talks-about-midfielder, but I don't see them being remotely interested in Hazard right now, unless Hazard performs for a season what James did in the WC or Bale the season before with Spurs. Bale back then also had ups and downs, just like Hazard last season, but one thing that has always marked Bale as a player and it carried on Madrid and we're yet to see in Hazard, is how he simply stepped up and took Spurs to a level they didn't belong. Hazard hasn't done that here yet.

It's Real. Nothing they do makes sense.
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That interview cringes me, why in the actual fuck does he want to become an assisting machine. Sometimes it looks like he lacks the ambition to be the best in the world. Don't undestand me wrong, he operates better when he doesn't have the constant pressure of beïng the teams "BIG" man, but to become the best he should relish that status.

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That interview cringes me, why in the actual fuck does he want to become an assisting machine. Sometimes it looks like he lacks the ambition to be the best in the world. Don't undestand me wrong, he operates better when he doesn't have the constant pressure of beïng the teams "BIG" man, but to become the best he should relish that status.

Nothing wrong with what he said. Basically he's saying now that Torres is gone he can at least consider making a pass to the striker rather than always trying to have a crack at goal himself. Last season it was useless to pass to the £50m statue but now with Costa up front Eden can be more unpredictable with his decision making, which at the end of the day is what's best for the team but also for Hazard himself because defenders now have more players they need to be worrying about instead of just focusing on stopping Hazard and that will allow him to score more goals as well.

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I think he'll be something in the middle between Costa and Cesc: will have less goals than Costa and less assists than Cesc, but more goals than Cesc and more assists than Costa.

I agree... but that makes him exactly what?

I don't see him being an assist machine just yet.

A guy with his talent and a different mentality would give the very top players in the world a run for their money... maybe not now, as he's still young, but in a couple of years.

Given his personality though I've been less emphatic in my predictions about his career. One can be born as talented as Messi, but they also need to be born with the same mentality and ability to step up and own the team. I come from Brazil, seeing players dribble such as Hazard is like watching flowers growing in my backyard (or used to be as this generation isn't special). They're always there... but many of them never reached the heights of success because they had that, but didn't have the mentality - although their problem more often than not is related to bad behavior (party boys). Denilson, Robinho and even Ronaldinho are good examples of excellent dribblers. While the former two never reached anything impressive despite their great talent, I feel the latter never really reached his full potential - or did it too briefly because he's always been interested in partying and girls.

Hazard is a model when it comes to behavior off the pitch, but he seems to lack that determination, bite, will to win. He wants to win - of course he does - it comes with a big price and huge effort that sometimes I'm not sure he's willing to pay. It's not uncommon for people who are very talented on something to take their talent for granted and not work on everything else they must to make a difference. That's why I said in my post last page that Bale - being infinitely less talented than Hazard - took Spurs to a level above theirs - despite his also common ups and downs. But he took his team's fate in his hands while Hazard seems way too relieved to let someone else deal with it.

At the end of the day, Costa and Cesc will (continue to) win us matches and Hazard will feel less pressured, he'll probably produce more (although I wouldn't be surprised at all if the other two eclipsed him) and Chelsea will benefit from it. Costa will benefit from a few assists (maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't think he scored a lot of goals and provided a lot of assists as he claims, he has the talent to produce much more and didn't), Cesc will find someone else for his through balls. The only one who might not benefit from it is Hazard himself. Being afraid or unwilling to embrace responsibility (of stepping up in a team to carry it as the most talented player in it) and unable to deal with pressure (although to be honest, I see the word pressure in the headline, but there isn't a quote from him saying it clearly) will limit him. He seems happy to be supporting guy, but he has talent to be lead... but being the lead requires a lot of effort, maturity, hard-work, leadership, mental strength and balls. He checks only some of those boxes imo and I'm not sure the others will change in the future.

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Basically he is that great player that help us start games well and attack other team, but he is never/unlikely to ever be that spark 'wow' factor that top top players have. He is never gonna do a bicycle kick in 90th mins like Rooney, scoring goals every match like Messi/CR7, dribble the whole pitch or bang in a 40 yards like Bale on regular basic...etc

He is just a 'great' player, but not someone who will stand up to be a leader in difficult times. In facts he is never really the 'difference' but more like the 'addition', making average moments on the pitch great but cannot improve great into world class. Top top players can handle huge pressure, he clearly cannot(yet) but doesn't seem with his personality he will ever be.

10-15 goals/assists per season is decent for a winger/midfielder but top top players like CR7 and Robben are getting 20+ now in those catalogs. He is also not the one that will make that much difference in a big match and clearly show he isn't consistent enough yet for those games. For example he played great against Man City last year away but a week later played terribly in our FA Cup loss. When the team need someone to step up he isn't that man(yet), the team doesn't play well he doesn't play well. He is young though and got time on his side, he can become top 5 players in the world but never gonna reach the very top.

At best imo he would be as good as Robben, but Ronaldo level or Messi or Henry(transfer from a winger into a CF) will never happen.

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I think he'll be something in the middle between Costa and Cesc: will have less goals than Costa and less assists than Cesc, but more goals than Cesc and more assists than Costa.

The perfect trio, if you will.

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I agree... but that makes him exactly what?

I don't see him being an assist machine just yet.

A guy with his talent and a different mentality would give the very top players in the world a run for their money... maybe not now, as he's still young, but in a couple of years.

Given his personality though I've been less emphatic in my predictions about his career. One can be born as talented as Messi, but they also need to be born with the same mentality and ability to step up and own the team. I come from Brazil, seeing players dribble such as Hazard is like watching flowers growing in my backyard (or used to be as this generation isn't special). They're always there... but many of them never reached the heights of success because they had that, but didn't have the mentality - although their problem more often than not is related to bad behavior (party boys). Denilson, Robinho and even Ronaldinho are good examples of excellent dribblers. While the former two never reached anything impressive despite their great talent, I feel the latter never really reached his full potential - or did it too briefly because he's always been interested in partying and girls.

Hazard is a model when it comes to behavior off the pitch, but he seems to lack that determination, bite, will to win. He wants to win - of course he does - it comes with a big price and huge effort that sometimes I'm not sure he's willing to pay. It's not uncommon for people who are very talented on something to take their talent for granted and not work on everything else they must to make a difference. That's why I said in my post last page that Bale - being infinitely less talented than Hazard - took Spurs to a level above theirs - despite his also common ups and downs. But he took his team's fate in his hands while Hazard seems way too relieved to let someone else deal with it.

At the end of the day, Costa and Cesc will (continue to) win us matches and Hazard will feel less pressured, he'll probably produce more (although I wouldn't be surprised at all if the other two eclipsed him) and Chelsea will benefit from it. Costa will benefit from a few assists (maybe my expectations are too high, but I don't think he scored a lot of goals and provided a lot of assists as he claims, he has the talent to produce much more and didn't), Cesc will find someone else for his through balls. The only one who might not benefit from it is Hazard himself. Being afraid or unwilling to embrace responsibility (of stepping up in a team to carry it as the most talented player in it) and unable to deal with pressure (although to be honest, I see the word pressure in the headline, but there isn't a quote from him saying it clearly) will limit him. He seems happy to be supporting guy, but he has talent to be lead... but being the lead requires a lot of effort, maturity, hard-work, leadership, mental strength and balls. He checks only some of those boxes imo and I'm not sure the others will change in the future.

I share similar concerns, tbh. He's our most naturally gifted player, but at times I feel he lacks something that'll take him to the next level. His dribbling and speed are his best assets, but he seems unwilling to use them more directly and run at defenders like Messi does all the time. His vision and passing are good, but nowhere as good and creative as that of true playmakers like Cesc and Silva. His finishing is good, but he doesn't seem to like shooting much. So while he doesn't have obvious weaknesses, he doesn't use his strengths as consistently as he could have.

If he doesn't become the top player, it'll be his own fault, because the talent to be the top player is there. Right now Eden is just a great player. Is it enough for him? I don't know. If it is, fair enough, I guess. We can't force him to become something he doesn't want to be.

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