Eden Hazard

[El P. 1,354]

13 hours ago, Special said:

Instead of telling me things like "Hazard is talisman", "Hazard is magician" and... just tell me who has more powerful shots? Bale or Hazard? And remember the way a player shoots the ball not only shows his leg power, but also shows his technique.

Now tell me which one is a better free-kick taker? The answer is Bale, right? And the way a player takes a free-kick also shows his technique.

Now who is faster? Bale for sure. And in these scenes the way he beats defenders also shows his technique.

As I told you these all show a player's technique. And you said "Hazard has much better technique" !!

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About dribbling again you said Hazard is much better. Ok, so you show me some of those Hazard's "much better" dribbles and I'll show you some of Bale's dribbles.

And also about the vision, you show me Hazard's vision and I'll show you Bale's.

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Bale is better in defense.

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About headed goals, Bale is not the best but is certainly better than Hazard.

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Bale is left-footed. Left-footed players have special importance and are rare. And about the weaker foot that you said "Hazard is much better" , I actually don't remember what Hazard did with his left foot that makes him "much better", but I know Bale has maid some assists and has scored some goals with his right foot. Actually we can compare Hazard's right foot power with Bale's right foot power.

 

 

Well, it seems that you and me want different things. 

I want someone who will help to build up play, you want someone who will efficiently finish attacks.

Ok, Hazard HAS much better technique - ON THE BALL. That is what I meant, it's obvious. It's ok that Bale is better FK taker, has better shot etc., but will those things build our attacks and make our play better? Certainly not. That's why I said that he is talisman, which is very useful - player who can drive entire team forward. Never said that he is "magician".

Hazard scored some good goals with his left foot last season, even from long distance. Don't need to mention with his right.

When I say "better dribbler", I mean better close control. I don't call 'good dribbling' when player just kick the ball up-front and runs like a maniac. (Bale and Bartra situation in cup game, for example, usually way of Bale's getting past opponent). Player like that - I call fast, and decent dribbler. You don't need to show me Bale's dribbles, anyone can look good on Youtube. Hazard statistically has, bar Messi, the best number of successful dribbles in past years. 

They are different players, for sure. But what do you need/want more? In ideal world, they would both be in same team and that would work out perfectly. Hazard on one side who is more creative, better on ball... And Bale on other side who is more direct and better finisher.

We actually need both of them, but if we lose Hazard and don't get Reus... It's no good - we are then turning into (only) counter-attacking team again. You'd be left out only with Fabregas to build up our play (LOL). And... Mikel, ofc.

EDIT: I don't know how I didn't see this earlier... Bale - Hazard comparison is something like C. Ronaldo - Messi comparison.  Don't need to mention that I would never pick CR instead of Messi. But let's not start that topic, it's coming out of people's ears.

Here are some stats, there is no major difference.

Domestic league + Europe (domestic cups excluded)

Bale goals|assists:
2014/15: 15|10
2013/14: 21|16

Spurs:
2012/13: 24|7
2011/12: 9|10

Hazard goals|assists:
2014/15: 17|11
2013/14: 16|7
2012/13: 10|14

Lille:
2011/12: 20|17

Edited January 8, 2016 by El P.

[OneMoSalah 8,776]

Bale better than Hazard? Fuck sake not this shit again. The only wide players who are better than Hazard are Neymar, Messi and Ronaldo in my opinion. 

[Henrique 9,133]

5 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Bale better than Hazard? Fuck sake not this shit again. The only wide players who are better than Hazard are Neymar, Messi and Ronaldo in my opinion. 

Suarez is way better than Hazard, not slightly, but just in another level. Even though I think Ibrahimovich is overrated, I would say I rather have him than Hazard in my team, and if I mention players that are not exactly attacking, I would include the likes of Iniesta in that list. Hazard is a great player, just not as good as some people believe. Only a huge Hazard fan would say that, beyind doubt, he is better than Bale.

[Henrique 9,133]

On 1/8/2016 at 10:33 PM, Hybrid Angel said:

Bale isn't half the player Hazard is.

Hazard is yet to put a great performance in UCL game while I'm reading this kind of assertion, and no, I'm not saying he should be sold or he is bad or useless, just not even close of being as good as some of you picture the man.

[Henrique 9,133]

On 1/7/2016 at 10:13 AM, DYC. said:

Very true. Ballon d'Or has been ruined anyway. It's turned into the Golden Shoe. Imagine the NBA MVP going to the one of the top two/three shooters every year.

Messi and Ronaldo are without a doubt the top two players of the past eight years but have they always been the best and most valuable? Not for me. Henry has never won it and he would rule the goal-scoring charts in his best form.

o.O

You started your post saying Ballon Dor was ruined because they turned it into Golden Shoe, but in the past Henry never won, even though he was scoring for fun. lol

The problem with Ballon d'Or is the same problem with former FIFA's award: its too much La Liga's centric. I mean since 1999  (besides 3 years), the award went to Barcelona's or Real's players, and I don't think they are giving to players who score more, they just favor fancy skills. Think about Ronaldinho winning the award in 2004 when won absolutely nothing, while Henry was on fire and just won PL without losing a single game. I agree with you, in recent years it became even more ridiculous with Ronaldo and Messi around. Think about 2010, Iniesta deserved. Somehow Messi got the award. In 2014 Messi was 2nd, and that was total insane and even Ronaldo inclusion in this year list doesn't make any sense.

[11Drogba 2,000]

2 hours ago, Henrique said:

o.O

You started your post saying Ballon Dor was ruined because they turned it into Golden Shoe, but in the past Henry never won, even though he was scoring for fun. lol

 

Since 2007 CL top scorer wins the Ballon d'or

 

[DYC. 7,542]

3 hours ago, Henrique said:

o.O

You started your post saying Ballon Dor was ruined because they turned it into Golden Shoe, but in the past Henry never won, even though he was scoring for fun. lol

The problem with Ballon d'Or is the same problem with former FIFA's award: its too much La Liga's centric. I mean since 1999  (besides 3 years), the award went to Barcelona's or Real's players, and I don't think they are giving to players who score more, they just favor fancy skills. Think about Ronaldinho winning the award in 2004 when won absolutely nothing, while Henry was on fire and just won PL without losing a single game. I agree with you, in recent years it became even more ridiculous with Ronaldo and Messi around. Think about 2010, Iniesta deserved. Somehow Messi got the award. In 2014 Messi was 2nd, and that was total insane and even Ronaldo inclusion in this year list doesn't make any sense.

Is it really so hard to understand? If the Ballon d'Or was always like it is now, with the current criteria, Henry would have won it in the past. But it's not. It used to be different because even a great goal-scorer like Henry didn't win it.

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26 minutes ago, DYC. said:

Is it really so hard to understand? If the Ballon d'Or was always like it is now, with the current criteria, Henry would have won it in the past. But it's not. It used to be different because even a great goal-scorer like Henry didn't win it.

It has became into a Golden boot i can understand that. But it is 100% clear that the Fifa officials only watch La Liga. Even when other teams win Champions Cup and Fa Cup(Chelsea if you didn't understand) yet the players are of only Spain which didn't even make it to the final.

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Just now, cfcs most wanted said:

It has became into a Golden boot i can understand that. But it is 100% clear that the Fifa officials only watch La Liga. Even when other teams win Champions Cup and Fa Cup(Chelsea if you didn't understand) yet the players are of only Spain which didn't even make it to the final.

That being said i don't understand why Neymar is rated even close to Hazard or considered even better. It can't be so difficult for a professional to score goals when Suarez and Messi are with you. And look what he adds to the team except goals.......nothing!! absolutely nothing!!! A good player is more than just one who scores tap ins. 

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

3 hours ago, Henrique said:

Hazard is yet to put a great performance in UCL game while I'm reading this kind of assertion, and no, I'm not saying he should be sold or he is bad or useless, just not even close of being as good as some of you picture the man.

Henrique usually makes little sense when he posts, but this is true.

[cfcs most wanted 657]

1 minute ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

Henrique usually makes little sense when he posts, but this is true.

Hazard has played well in the group stages and in the quarter finals against PSG in 2014, he didn't play well against Atletico but he just came back from an injury not the best time to play such a big match

[DYC. 7,542]

1 hour ago, cfcs most wanted said:

It has became into a Golden boot i can understand that. But it is 100% clear that the Fifa officials only watch La Liga. Even when other teams win Champions Cup and Fa Cup(Chelsea if you didn't understand) yet the players are of only Spain which didn't even make it to the final.

To be fair, I haven't seen a player worthy of such an accolade in the PL in a long time. Chelsea did win the CL but not one of those players was close to being the best player of the year 2012, let's be honest.

[Henrique 9,133]

3 hours ago, cfcs most wanted said:

That being said i don't understand why Neymar is rated even close to Hazard or considered even better. It can't be so difficult for a professional to score goals when Suarez and Messi are with you. And look what he adds to the team except goals.......nothing!! absolutely nothing!!! A good player is more than just one who scores tap ins. 

Neymar is just miles ahead of Hazard, and don't come up with "you are brazilian argument", because anyone outside Chelsea fan base would understand that, there is not even reason to discuss that. I'm not even convinced Hazard is the best belgian player.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,919]

11 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Neymar is just miles ahead of Hazard, and don't come up with "you are brazilian argument", because anyone outside Chelsea fan base would understand that, there is not even reason to discuss that. I'm not even convinced Hazard is the best belgian player.

 

 

I don't think he is the best Belgian player either. De Bruyne has gone missing a few times this season, but what he has shown since coming back to this league has swayed me into viewing him as the best that nation has.

[Weckerz 3,781]

48 minutes ago, Henrique said:

Neymar is just miles ahead of Hazard, and don't come up with "you are brazilian argument", because anyone outside Chelsea fan base would understand that, there is not even reason to discuss that. I'm not even convinced Hazard is the best belgian player.

I wouldn't say miles ahead tbh, they're very different and both very skilled at what they do. Would you have said the same 6 months ago when Hazard won player of the year?

I love Neymar but it's easy to say he's miles better when he's part of the best attacking trio in the world (of all time?) while Hazard is in the biggest slump of his career together with his team.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

12 minutes ago, Weckerz said:

I wouldn't say miles ahead tbh, they're very different and both very skilled at what they do. Would you have said the same 6 months ago when Hazard won player of the year?

I love Neymar but it's easy to say he's miles better when he's part of the best attacking trio in the world (of all time?) while Hazard is in the biggest slump of his career together with his team.

 

Neymar is more efficient, both with Barcelona and Brazil, Hazard definetly suffered from Mourinho's system, but it still doesnt explain this form, both with Belgium and Chelsea.

[Stats 7,053]

1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

 

 

I don't think he is the best Belgian player either. De Bruyne has gone missing a few times this season, but what he has shown since coming back to this league has swayed me into viewing him as the best that nation has.

KDB has done brilliantly but he is helped by the fact that he plays for an offensive minded manager. Quite the contrary with Hazard under Mourinho.

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2 minutes ago, Stats said:

KDB has done brilliantly but he is helped by the fact that he plays for an offensive minded manager. Quite the contrary with Hazard.

KDB has done brilliantly while he's still adjusting and while he never played at his best position this far. Hazard has the pure winger qualities, KDB doesn't.