Eden Hazard

[Anthon_nini 21]

13 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

As I said allegedly. It was October or November -London Standard. 

Anyway looks like he will be dribbling round Spain, though wouldnt be surprised if he goes in the Summer

Well I'm new here and don't really know the level of attention people pay to players, but as a fan I know he has been without an agent for quite sometime even before he signed his new contract, so I would have easily dismissed the alleged story immediately. The point I am trying to make and not to you in particular, is that as fans we can do better than just believing these rumours and actually put simple facts together to get a clearer picture, rather than making assumptions based on conjecture. 

[mccg 1,528]

Hope when he comes back fit,Gus will give the freedom he enjoys and do his best work in the final 3rd,if he decides to go we can't do anything about it,hope he dosnt but £100 mill will help towards getting a world class cb,cm,striker .1 player isnt as big as the club!

 

[Fulham Broadway 16,831]

13 minutes ago, Anthon_nini said:

Well I'm new here and don't really know the level of attention people pay to players, but as a fan I know he has been without an agent for quite sometime even before he signed his new contract, so I would have easily dismissed the alleged story immediately. The point I am trying to make and not to you in particular, is that as fans we can do better than just believing these rumours and actually put simple facts together to get a clearer picture, rather than making assumptions based on conjecture. 

Fair enough, and welcome by the way. Apart from the media -which we know for the main part is bollocks and we can add the clubs statements to that as well, not really a lot to go on though until events happen. That said we have to rely on the media to an extent- how else for example, did people know he didnt have an agent ? Rhetorical question.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

5 hours ago, DYC. said:

If he did jump ship, that would be a true bitch move.

Lol Why? He doesn't 'owe' Chelsea anything. It's not like he's carrying the team and we'd be doomed if he goes and it would all be his fault. He stay or leave, we'll survive either way. 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Won't believe any 'leaving' rumours until there's something concrete.

Real Madrid have history of media manipulation and rhetoric. The love to come out with these 'inside sources' and that prick Guillem doesn't help. I'm calling it now, in a few weeks Guillem is going to jump on this story and blow it.

It's how the sign 90% of their players, but they're yet to set our resolve. They never have. I bet they're still mad about Makelele and we can't be too impressed about Robinho (that was Perez wasn't it?) - Shove it to them Roman!

[DYC. 7,542]

52 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

Lol Why? He doesn't 'owe' Chelsea anything. It's not like he's carrying the team and we'd be doomed if he goes and it would all be his fault. He stay or leave, we'll survive either way. 

He doesn't owe Chelsea anything but I think staying to help fix the situation would be a move of character while leaving immediately as things go bad is the easy way out. He's star man and the team needs him. He's part of the problem this season so yeah, jumping ship would be a bitch move. Not an evil move but a bitch move. I never expected Hazard to stay for an extremely long time but he can't leave at a time like this.

When I look at how Nedved stayed at Juventus, which wasn't even because of the players failing, I think of that as an act of great honour. Ibra left. He thinks of himself. That's fair but not honourable. I mention these two players because they're among my favourites.

Edit: This makes it sound as if I believe the stories. I don't.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

2 minutes ago, DYC. said:

He doesn't owe Chelsea anything but I think staying to help fix the situation would be a move of character while leaving immediately as things go bad is the easy way out. He's star man and the team needs him. He's part of the problem this season so yeah, jumping ship would be a bitch move. Not an evil move but a bitch move. I never expected Hazard to stay for an extremely long time but he can't leave at a time like this.

When I look at how Nedved stayed at Juventus, which wasn't even because of the players failing, I think of that as an act of great honour. Ibra left. He thinks of himself. That's fair but not honourable. I mention these two players because they're among my favourites.

If we get relegated, then I'd agree with you. I mean, we'll likely miss CL next season, but we should still make top 4 easily next year, with or with any one single player. I don't think the club is in disarray like Juve were when they got relegated to the second division.

Also, Nedved was (and still is) a cult hero. He is absolutely worshiped in Torine (as are the likes of Buffon, Del Pierro...etc.). Can we say something even remotely similar about Eden here at Chelsea? I don't think anyone has even called Eden 'proper Chels'. That's not a criticism of him, btw. Just an observation that he never really made that emotional bond with Chelsea fans that say Azpi has or Luiz had. 

[DYC. 7,542]

10 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

If we get relegated, then I'd agree with you. I mean, we'll likely miss CL next season, but we should still make top 4 easily next year, with or with any one single player. I don't think the club is in disarray like Juve were when they got relegated to the second division.

Also, Nedved was (and still is) a cult hero. He is absolutely worshiped in Torine (as are the likes of Buffon, Del Pierro...etc.). Can we say something even remotely similar about Eden here at Chelsea? I don't think anyone has even called Eden 'proper Chels'. That's not a criticism of him, btw. Just an observation that he never really made that emotional bond with Chelsea fans that say Azpi has or Luiz had. 

My point was choosing to leave now would be the easy way out. The effect of him leaving... Not my point but we'd have to see how that would affect the team.

Would he have been worshipped as much if he left? Lazio worshipped him like crazy before he joined Juve. I don't think cult status is enough to make a player want to stay through whatever. Lewandowski and Gotze were cult heroes but they still made very sensitive moves.

I think we're drifting away from the point here. I blame you, Choulo. You always do this.

[Essien19 1,415]

I thought the departure of Jose Mourinho would help him, maybe Hazard needs more time.
Hoped we could get away with one of them, i want a top player like Bale in return, otherwise no, i won't give my blessing!

Media is enjoying it, first the Mourinho stories now they come after Hazard, wonder who'll be next?
Mh Carneiro is still out there, time for a cameo, damn it.

 

 

 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

1 hour ago, DYC. said:

My point was choosing to leave now would be the easy way out. The effect of him leaving... Not my point but we'd have to see how that would affect the team.

Would he have been worshipped as much if he left? Lazio worshipped him like crazy before he joined Juve. I don't think cult status is enough to make a player want to stay through whatever. Lewandowski and Gotze were cult heroes but they still made very sensitive moves.

I think we're drifting away from the point here. I blame you, Choulo. You always do this.

There is no evidence that, if he wants to leave, it is because it has gone 'bad'. He could just want a new challenge or feel he can take his career further faster somewhere else...etc.

Point is about relation with the fans when the decision is being made. Not sure how that hypothetical comes into it. In Nedved's case that relation was enough for him to stay. It was literally the only thing keeping him, as well as all the other world class players in that team that could have walked into almost any team in the world, from leaving.

Also, I'm not saying that the relation with fans is the ONLY factor, just that it is a factor. Lewa and Gotze, for example, wanted more money and more chances at winning trophies, which might well be the case with Eden this summer (trophies obviously, not the money). If so, he has every right. I would not blame him. 

[DYC. 7,542]

1 hour ago, CHOULO19 said:

There is no evidence that, if he wants to leave, it is because it has gone 'bad'. He could just want a new challenge or feel he can take his career further faster somewhere else...etc.

Point is about relation with the fans when the decision is being made. Not sure how that hypothetical comes into it. In Nedved's case that relation was enough for him to stay. It was literally the only thing keeping him, as well as all the other world class players in that team that could have walked into almost any team in the world, from leaving.

Also, I'm not saying that the relation with fans is the ONLY factor, just that it is a factor. Lewa and Gotze, for example, wanted more money and more chances at winning trophies, which might well be the case with Eden this summer (trophies obviously, not the money). If so, he has every right. I would not blame him. 

The whole reason for my post was what if. There was an article posted about it. And I said that if that is true, ....

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

I think he's gone in the summer.  I'd love for him to stay, but we seem to be very conscious of net spend these days and if PSG and Madrid get in to a bidding war for him, I think we'll sell.

I didn't want to lose Luiz or Mata either, but it was silly money.

Having said that, I'd only be okay with it if the money was re-invested wisely.

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11 hours ago, El P. said:

Hazard is much better playmaker - his vision is much better than Bale's.

Hazard has MUCH better technique and dribbling, his dribbling is up there with Messi's, Veratti's and top form Iniesta's.

Hazard is much better with his weaker foot.

Hazard is talisman. You don't sell talisman.

Bale might be faster, but on long runs. Hazard has a better acceleration and for type of player Hazard is - that is more important than top speed. He is way more agile.

Hazard is year and a half younger and until this season he was way more consistent and way more less injury prone than Bale.

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Bale is type of player that is very dependable of his physical strengths. Take his insane speed away and what do you have? You can find another Bale, but you'll NEVER find another Hazard.

We could also talk about form, Bale is ok now, but his last season, compared with Eden's last season... Yeah.

All in all, I would never give Hazard for Bale. Bale is special player, for sure, but Eden is one in a million.

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Ok, gotta say this too. I was never more ashamed of Chelsea fans than when I saw some Hazard comments. "Lazy prick who fakes injuries!" My God... Just stop. Not even worth commenting.

I just hope he score some goals soon, for people to shut the f*** up.

Instead of telling me things like "Hazard is talisman", "Hazard is magician" and... just tell me who has more powerful shots? Bale or Hazard? And remember the way a player shoots the ball not only shows his leg power, but also shows his technique.

Now tell me which one is a better free-kick taker? The answer is Bale, right? And the way a player takes a free-kick also shows his technique.

Now who is faster? Bale for sure. And in these scenes the way he beats defenders also shows his technique.

Real Madrid:

Wales:

Tottenham:

As I told you these all show a player's technique. And you said "Hazard has much better technique" !!

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About dribbling again you said Hazard is much better. Ok, so you show me some of those Hazard's "much better" dribbles and I'll show you some of Bale's dribbles.

 

And also about the vision, you show me Hazard's vision and I'll show you Bale's.

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Bale is better in defense.

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About headed goals, Bale is not the best but is certainly better than Hazard.

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Bale is left-footed. Left-footed players have special importance and are rare. And about the weaker foot that you said "Hazard is much better" , I actually don't remember what Hazard did with his left foot that makes him "much better", but I know Bale has maid some assists and has scored some goals with his right foot. Actually we can compare Hazard's right foot power with Bale's right foot power.

 

 

 

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Bale isn't half the player Hazard is. The only qualities he has over him are his shooting, strength, and defending. Hazard is much quicker than him off the mark, which is what really matters as we're going to play against parked buses a lot. Hazard has better vision, a million times better dribbling and technique. 

 I don't even understand why there is a comparison here. The Welshman is an average player when compared to Hazard. In fact Bale lacks basic Football understandings and would not thrive in a top side. He will get exposed once Madrid players start turning up again.

Reus is your man if you want a Hazard replacement. 

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

This comparison between Bale and Hazard is stupid.

[Sideshow Luiz 2,310]

2 hours ago, Hybrid Angel said:

Bale isn't half the player Hazard is. The only qualities he has over him are his shooting, strength, and defending. Hazard is much quicker than him off the mark, which is what really matters as we're going to play against parked buses a lot. Hazard has better vision, a million times better dribbling and technique. 

 I don't even understand why there is a comparison here. The Welshman is an average player when compared to Hazard. In fact Bale lacks basic Football understandings and would not thrive in a top side. He will get exposed once Madrid players start turning up again.

Reus is your man if you want a Hazard replacement. 

I like Reus too.  I'd also like to see Yarmolenko if we sold Hazard.  Should leave us with plenty of money left over for shoring up other positions if Hazard is actually sold.  Would also be nice to have a left footed attacking player as well.

The Sun's latest rumour is that Man Utd want to buy him for £65M.  So ridiculous.  50 for Martial, but 65 for Hazard.  GTFO.

As for the Bale thing.  I just don't like him.  I don't know what it is.  Maybe because he was at Tottenham, maybe because the British press love him a little too much.  I don't know.  I just don't like him and I don't like being linked with him.  I don't think he's worth his price tag.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If we ever sell Hazard, it should be straight swap for Bale only. 

I think Bale would suit our direct football and would add goals that we struggle. A set piece taker and good crosser.

Plus quite a leader for Wales, I like that.

That said, I hope Eden stays here for years to come and brings us many titles  like he said.

[MefiX19 1,092]

7 hours ago, Hybrid Angel said:

Bale isn't half the player Hazard is. The only qualities he has over him are his shooting, strength, and defending. Hazard is much quicker than him off the mark, which is what really matters as we're going to play against parked buses a lot. Hazard has better vision, a million times better dribbling and technique. 

 I don't even understand why there is a comparison here. The Welshman is an average player when compared to Hazard. In fact Bale lacks basic Football understandings and would not thrive in a top side. He will get exposed once Madrid players start turning up again.

Reus is your man if you want a Hazard replacement. 

No, Reus is like Sturridge they are always injured. Both are amazing players if they are fit, but they are injured half of the season.