Eden Hazard

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:10, Simon1991 said:

Hazard >>>>>>>> Robben at Chelsea

True, and that's because he isn't always injured. I remember a game against Newcastle. Robben dribbled everyone from our own half and went on to score. Hazard wouldn't even do that. He would have gone sideways you know, and get fouled in a non-dangerous area of the pitch.

A fit Robben was any day better IMO

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  On 19/10/2015 at 18:36, Jokesy said:

Personally, I prefer a fit Chelsea Arjen Robben to Eden Hazards any day. Always runs at defenders and not sideways, very quick counter attack,... etc

Robben was good but he wasn't great imo. Massive potential but inconsistent. Didn't score or assist much. But he was fun to watch because of his lightning pace and mazy dribbles.

I don't understand how you could possibly prefer him over Hazard. His terrible fitness back then alone is enough to prefer Hazard.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:33, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Well if we got Varane + £30m for Hazard (I make that circa £120m is overall) and then spend £50m and bag Reus I'd say overall it is a massive improvement to our total squad. If we then sold Fabregas and got, say, Gundogan or Isco or whoever, and replaced Ivanovic if Baba does not make the jump, I'd make us favourites for a treble season.

Well yea obviously, but I'm not living in a dreamworld. We're a great club and grew alot in stature but I don't get why so many think we can just snap our fingers and sign a couple of world class talents like Bale, Reus or Isco.

Add the mediacircus that would be circling Chelsea should Eden leave to a club/manager with an attacking philosophy.. not the ideal circumstance to attract quality attacking players.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:36, Jokesy said:

True, and that's because he isn't always injured. I remember a game against Newcastle. Robben dribbled everyone from our own half and went on to score. Hazard wouldn't even do that. He would have gone sideways you know, and get fouled in a non-dangerous area of the pitch.

A fit Robben was any day better IMO

I remember once that Robben got a hard tackle, broke his shoulder or something like that. He seemed to be afraid after that when he came back. Jumping out and stopping the attack instead of riding the challenge - I partly blame it for the reason he chose to leave the premier league for the less aggressive Spanish league.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:44, Weckerz said:

Well yea obviously, but I'm not living in a dreamworld. We're a great club and grew alot in stature but I don't get why so many think we can just snap our fingers and sign a couple of world class talents like Bale, Reus or Isco.

Add the mediacircus that would be circling Chelsea should Eden leave to a club/manager with an attacking philosophy.. not the ideal circumstance to attract quality attacking players.

Maybe. But when have we ever given a fuck about what the media say about us?

The best situation would be Reus being in form for us while Hazard struggles at RM, the fans turn on him and then we buy him back a year later for £50m

In all seriousness though, maybe we could use that to work in our favour. With Hazard out, maybe Reus would like the idea of being THE man at Chelsea, who makes it tick in midfield, etc etc

But if our team in 16/17 is

Courtois

Azpi Varane Zouma Baba

Kenedy Matic RLC Reus

Solanke Costa

(and all players like to their potential)

with a bench including players like Oscar, Willian, Terry (player/coach) etc etc then we will win many, many things

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:36, Jokesy said:

True, and that's because he isn't always injured. I remember a game against Newcastle. Robben dribbled everyone from our own half and went on to score. Hazard wouldn't even do that. He would have gone sideways you know, and get fouled in a non-dangerous area of the pitch.

A fit Robben was any day better IMO

Everyone's entitled to his opinion, but Hazard is far more influential than Robben ever was with us. Robben was more direct, but in terms of combining in small spaces and the oponent's box, Eden is unmatched.

  On 19/10/2015 at 19:47, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Maybe. But when have we ever given a fuck about what the media say about us?

The best situation would be Reus being in form for us while Hazard struggles at RM, the fans turn on him and then we buy him back a year later for £50m

Not only the media, but also the player's idea of what playing at Chelsea under Mourinho would be like. It sure is an important factor in the player's choice when it comes to going to a new club.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:47, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Maybe. But when have we ever given a fuck about what the media say about us?

The best situation would be Reus being in form for us while Hazard struggles at RM, the fans turn on him and then we buy him back a year later for £50m

We don't, but the players we want to buy might =)

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:49, Weckerz said:

We don't, but the players we want to buy might =)

Well yeah haha

If I were Jose I would ask Zola to come back and do attacking coaching - he could teach our whole front 5 many, many things.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:47, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Maybe. But when have we ever given a fuck about what the media say about us?

The best situation would be Reus being in form for us while Hazard struggles at RM, the fans turn on him and then we buy him back a year later for £50m

In all seriousness though, maybe we could use that to work in our favour. With Hazard out, maybe Reus would like the idea of being THE man at Chelsea, who makes it tick in midfield, etc etc

But if our team in 16/17 is

Courtois

Azpi Varane Zouma Baba

Kenedy Matic RLC Reus

Solanke Costa

(and all players like to their potential)

with a bench including players like Oscar, Willian, Terry (player/coach) etc etc then we will win many, many things

Have you seen Reus play this season? He's been terrible for his standards. Worse than Hazard imo. He was even benched against Bayern for that reason.

Solanke, Kenedy? What the heck? Reus and Varane. Bless your optimistic heart.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 19:58, DYC. said:

Have you seen Reus play this season? He's been terrible for his standards. Worse than Hazard imo. He was even benched against Bayern for that reason.

Solanke, Kenedy? What the heck? Reus and Varane. Bless your optimistic heart.

Kenedy has been very good this season when he's played, and Solanke at 17 years of age is taking Vitesse by storm. I have every reason to believe that in 2 years they will be Chelsea quality.

If we get Varane out of the Hazard deal as well as Hazard that's a good deal. Reus has been terrible, sure, but then surely it makes no difference and getting the best defender in Europe is worth it.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 20:03, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Kenedy has been very good this season when he's played, and Solanke at 17 years of age is taking Vitesse by storm. I have every reason to believe that in 2 years they will be Chelsea quality.

If we get Varane out of the Hazard deal as well as Hazard that's a good deal. Reus has been terrible, sure, but then surely it makes no difference and getting the best defender in Europe is worth it.

The best defender in Europe would be a regular starter for more than a few matches don't you think?

And best-case scenario for Solanke next season is third choice, nothing more...

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  On 19/10/2015 at 20:03, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Kenedy has been very good this season when he's played, and Solanke at 17 years of age is taking Vitesse by storm. I have every reason to believe that in 2 years they will be Chelsea quality.

If we get Varane out of the Hazard deal as well as Hazard that's a good deal. Reus has been terrible, sure, but then surely it makes no difference and getting the best defender in Europe is worth it.

Solanke is not going to be leading our line, LOL. Kenedy has good potential but let's not overrate him. He is not going to be in our team on a consistent basis and highly unlikely we will play with a 4-4-2.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 20:07, Stats said:

Solanke is not going to be leading our line, LOL. Kenedy has good potential but let's not overrate him. He is not going to be in our team on a consistent basis and highly unlikely we will play with a 4-4-2.

Playing as a second striker is not leading the line... Diego would. And who's to say Mourinho would not play a 4-4-2? Just last season he said that he would certainly consider it.

And @Simon that's not the case if we play 4-4-2. It's a different system with different requirements.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 20:12, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Playing as a second striker is not leading the line... Diego would. And who's to say Mourinho would not play a 4-4-2? Just last season he said that he would certainly consider it.

And @Simon that's not the case if we play 4-4-2. It's a different system with different requirements.

Solanke is not going to be starting for us next season. Regardless of how he performs at Vitesse. He will be 18 at the start of next season and there is no way we are going to throw him in our team. Just look at Traore who is rotting away this season. He was excellent at Vitesse last season and barely makes the match squad.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 20:03, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Kenedy has been very good this season when he's played, and Solanke at 17 years of age is taking Vitesse by storm. I have every reason to believe that in 2 years they will be Chelsea quality.

If we get Varane out of the Hazard deal as well as Hazard that's a good deal. Reus has been terrible, sure, but then surely it makes no difference and getting the best defender in Europe is worth it.

Kenedy has done a decent job. I love the boy's commitment but he lacks the necessary talent for a title winning side imo.

Taking Vitesse by storm. That's quite the exaggeration. He hasn't even been Vitesse's best player this season. I love the fact that he's playing but he has such a long way to go. I hope he stays at Vitesse until he manages to score around 25 goals in the league. More even. He doesn't stand a chance to become a backup striker for Chelsea if he doesn't, let alone a starter. But I really like him.

Why do people think Varane would leave Real for Chelsea? It's Real Madrid. Real decides to sell players but players rarely leave because they want to. And it's hard to get Reus. He loves Dortmund and if he leaves, everyone wants him. Chelsea have struggled to buy world-class players. I don't think the club can compete with the very best. They succeeded with Torres and Sheva, but both players ended up as complete failures sadly.

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Some of you guys are going to get some firm and funky replys in a few weeks. Djeez.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 20:20, DYC. said:

Kenedy has done a decent job. I love the boy's commitment but he lacks the necessary talent for a title winning side imo.

Taking Vitesse by storm. That's quite the exaggeration. He hasn't even been Vitesse's best player this season. I love the fact that he's playing but he has such a long way to go. I hope he stays at Vitesse until he manages to score around 25 goals in the league. More even. He doesn't stand a chance to become a backup striker for Chelsea if he doesn't, let alone a starter. But I really like him.

Why do people think Varane would leave Real for Chelsea? It's Real Madrid. Real decides to sell players but players rarely leave because they want to. And it's hard to get Reus. He loves Dortmund and if he leaves, everyone wants him. Chelsea have struggled to buy world-class players. I don't think the club can compete with the very best. They succeeded with Torres and Sheva, but both players ended up as complete failures sadly.

where has this myth come from that Chelsea have struggled to buy world class players??? what world class players have we actually put bids in for over the years? the only one i can think of is Modric, he wanted to sign for us but he played for Spurs and they would never sell to us.

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  On 19/10/2015 at 20:20, DYC. said:

Kenedy has done a decent job. I love the boy's commitment but he lacks the necessary talent for a title winning side imo.

Taking Vitesse by storm. That's quite the exaggeration. He hasn't even been Vitesse's best player this season. I love the fact that he's playing but he has such a long way to go. I hope he stays at Vitesse until he manages to score around 25 goals in the league. More even. He doesn't stand a chance to become a backup striker for Chelsea if he doesn't, let alone a starter. But I really like him.

Why do people think Varane would leave Real for Chelsea? It's Real Madrid. Real decides to sell players but players rarely leave because they want to. And it's hard to get Reus. He loves Dortmund and if he leaves, everyone wants him. Chelsea have struggled to buy world-class players. I don't think the club can compete with the very best. They succeeded with Torres and Sheva, but both players ended up as complete failures sadly.

This. Varane is not going to leave Real. He is at a better team than us and when these rumours were happening this was last season when he could not get in Ancelotti's team. He has played nearly every game for Real this season and will keep his place even when both Ramos and Pepe are fit. He has no reason to leave and a club of Real's wealth would be ludicrous to let a player of his quality and the best defender of his generation go.