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9 hours ago, Thor said:

People just don't get this anymore. Football is becoming infested with stat nerds now instead of folks actually focusing on what is going on in the game. Iniesta and Figo are average players going by stats. Guess most would rather have Mahrez aye? 

 

4 hours ago, Mana said:

I was only responding to the tweet he posted. So what you said is irrelevant.

Regardless, he isn't consistent enough, period. While Hazard wasn't one of the worst players on the pitch on Sunday, his work rate was questionable. He is supposed to be one of our leaders yesterday, and I only saw Kante and Azpi behaving like leaders.

As it turns out, he created more clear chances than anyone else in the PL this weekend. Despite him being far from his best and the team being off. Even when he's supposedly playing shite like on Sunday he's still in or around the top off most of the positive attacking stats, so this notion about him being inconsistent doesn't really add up.

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As it turns out, he created more clear chances than anyone else in the PL this weekend. Despite him being far from his best and the team being off. Even when he's supposedly playing shite like on Sunday he's still in or around the top off most of the positive attacking stats, so this notion about him being inconsistent doesn't really add up.

Source that he created more clear cut chances than anybody else last weekend? Even more than what the Arsenal players did against Stoke?
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2 minutes ago, Mana said:


Source that he created more clear cut chances than anybody else last weekend? Even more than what the Arsenal players did against Stoke?

He created 6, next best was David Silva with 5.

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He created 6, next best was David Silva with 5.

But where can I find this information? I looked everywhere, can’t find it. 

Edit: Sorry that I don’t believe you, it’s just Hazard defenders are in full force and I haven’t seen you criticize Hazard at all, so I have to wonder.

 

I just don’t believe Hazard created the most chances than anyone this weekend, I just can’t. Arsenal had like 24 shots yesterday, are you saying Ozil (and others) created 1 or 2 out of all of that?

 

 

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1 hour ago, pHaRaOn said:

Here's no way Hazard created 6 clear chances against Tottenham. He has 8 in whole season: https://www.premierleague.com/players/4503/Eden-Hazard/stats?co=1&se=79

Ah I knew it. I was thinking no way Hazard would have made so many chances against Spuds. No way.

If he did, then he would have been Chelsea's MotM and I wouldn't have criticised his performance. I cant remember at all him making a lot of chances for us, especially in the 2nd half when the team went flat.

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9 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I don't think people consider him a 'problem' (I certainly don't) and I've said a number of times I'd be more than happy with Hazard committing long term to Chelsea and us keeping him.

But it has to be brought into question that in a period which has easily been the most important of our season with so many big games (and longer term ramifications for those results) he hasn't performed anyway near the level that he should be. That has been an issue because he is our most naturally gifted player and our most potent attacking threat when playing well. 

People are discussing stats and that's all fine and well, but I can see just watching the game that he isn't playing to his usual level. When he's playing well, he will go searching for space and the ball and will be far more direct in his general play and that hasn't been happening recently.

People aren't saying let's get rid of him like with 75% of the other players pages but I think people are simply questioning his recent performances and why there are inconsistencies to his game where he can go a stretch of games not playing very well. Unfortunately it appears on this forum that this isn't possible.

 

5 hours ago, DDA said:

Yea listen, Eden is by far our best player and I appreciate every gane we see him wearing our colours. All I am getting at, is that he isn't performing as well as he has done in the past in my opinion and has alot more to do before he can be considered top 5 in the World.

Yeah agreed he isn’t on form at all at the moment... just seeing crazy hot takes like “I’d cash in on him” or “he’s not world class”; this is not fair criticism. 

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4 hours ago, Tomo said:

As it turns out, he created more clear chances than anyone else in the PL this weekend. Despite him being far from his best and the team being off. Even when he's supposedly playing shite like on Sunday he's still in or around the top off most of the positive attacking stats, so this notion about him being inconsistent doesn't really add up.

Aren't you contradicting yourself a little, Tomo? You constantly mentioned how stats - notably the goals scored and assists - shouldn't be used to judge Hazard's contribution but here you are, using stats from one match to defend him. 

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He does need to leave as things have gotten stale. That being said I think the short term behavior has finally caught up and unless a manager is brought in to foster youth development and long term development of the club things are going to be difficult for quite some time.

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2 hours ago, Jason said:

Aren't you contradicting yourself a little, Tomo? You constantly mentioned how stats - notably the goals scored and assists - shouldn't be used to judge Hazard's contribution but here you are, using stats from one match to defend him. 

Not really, his main strength is creating. Plus his goal record is very good anyway.

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12 hours ago, pHaRaOn said:

Here's no way Hazard created 6 clear chances against Tottenham. He has 8 in whole season: https://www.premierleague.com/players/4503/Eden-Hazard/stats?co=1&se=79

I think different sites define the same stat differently, it would make sense because a lot of the stats are based on subjective views of who is recording those numbers (for example: a short sideway pass 25m from goal to a player hitting a shit long-shot at goal shouldn't be considered a chance created, but many sites do record this). Also, we didn't even create 6 chances in the whole game.

What I find surprising on that EPL site though is that he has only given 2 through balls. That's kinda bad for a creative player.

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13 hours ago, the wes said:

Eden Hazard’s Chelsea form causing Real Madrid to reconsider summer transfer plans

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/eden-hazard-chelsea-form-causing-real-madrid-to-reconsider-summer-transfer-plans-a3804306.html 

I Knew this was going to happen 

He wouldnt get on the pitch for the real madrid I saw playing last night.

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7 hours ago, manpe said:

I think different sites define the same stat differently, it would make sense because a lot of the stats are based on subjective views of who is recording those numbers (for example: a short sideway pass 25m from goal to a player hitting a shit long-shot at goal shouldn't be considered a chance created, but many sites do record this). Also, we didn't even create 6 chances in the whole game.

What I find surprising on that EPL site though is that he has only given 2 through balls. That's kinda bad for a creative player.

Do you know how many times morata or costa made runs behind the defense only to be ignored by hazard passing sideways to moses? His creativity all comes from his dribbling then cutting back for kante/fabregas to shoot.

While KDB puts a pinpoint cross/pass for the strikers to score, hazard dribbles then cuts back for the DM to shoot from distance and gets a lot of chances created stats for it. :doh: 

Ive always said hazards creativity all stems from his dribbling, he needs to get his head up more and spot runners in behind. If he stops dribbling, he can hold the ball under pressure, he can switch play sideways to moses, but he cant create proper chances without his dribbling.

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14 hours ago, the wes said:

Eden Hazard’s Chelsea form causing Real Madrid to reconsider summer transfer plans

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/eden-hazard-chelsea-form-causing-real-madrid-to-reconsider-summer-transfer-plans-a3804306.html 

I Knew this was going to happen 

He never stood a chance IMO. Hazard cant replace bale's goalscoring, he's not a striker to replace benzema, and he cant replace ronaldo's hunger, leadership, desire and goals.

The only position he'll be there to replace is isco and he's a Spanish starting National player. He'll be difficult to drop. Which means a huge amount of bench time for hazard. And he's already 27.

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10 minutes ago, kellzfresh said:

Do you know how many times morata or costa made runs behind the defense only to be ignored by hazard passing sideways to moses? His creativity all comes from his dribbling then cutting back for kante/fabregas to shoot.

While KDB puts a pinpoint cross/pass for the strikers to score, hazard dribbles then cuts back for the DM to shoot from distance and gets a lot of chances created stats for it. :doh: 

Ive always said hazards creativity all stems from his dribbling, he needs to get his head up more and spot runners in behind. If he stops dribbling, he can hold the ball under pressure, he can switch play sideways to moses, but he cant create proper chances without his dribbling.

Agree with every point....He is not direct at attacking like KDB....He always ignores runs and play it safe to pass it to moses 

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6 minutes ago, FabHazard said:

Agree with every point....He is not direct at attacking like KDB....He always ignores runs and play it safe to pass it to moses 

At first i wished with his dribbling style, he'll be like robben.. where he'll dribble directly into the box and cut inside for the curler. But he hated shooting so i thought maybe he'll be a little like messi who dribbles 2-3 players and locates Neymar/alba/suarez in behind the defence. But hazard never gets his head up to spot runs. So all he does is dribble and if he's having an off day on the dribbling he cant make any impact. That is hazard's weakness and its unfortunate he doesnt have someone like me close to him to tell him this truth to his face, so much natural talent not utilized to the full.

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What is truly funny is most Chelsea fans never learn. Hazard was apparently worth less than crap and most wanted him to be sold two years ago. Season later, SAME people lick his ass.

Now its basicaly the same. Yeah he isnt doing that great and we have another shit season, so lets throw more crap at Hazard because he is bad. Lets sell him in summer, right? Yet, thick brains dont think twice about concesquences. We sold Costa and Matic who were important, but nowhere near Eden. Yet, we dropped down 4 places. Without Eden, not only we will lose main and probably only creative force, we also lose the man that automaticaly forces opponent to play differently when handling Eden.

But yeah sell him, because he isnt scoring winner every game. When will people realize being best player at club has nothing to do with goals, at all?

I would understand if it was his first or second season at club. But he is here now almost the longest serving player from current team, and he was definately amazing in every season, bar 2015-16. Even this season, he was outstanding in first half and I remember people here prasing him for stepping up. Now couple average games, people here just forget all that.

Its just sad. No one says dont criticise him. He is responsible player and needs to show his worth. If he doesnt, its only right to be unhappy.

Shit, Real fans boo Ronaldo too. But they fucking understand deep down that he is still incredible player and wouldnt sell him at all. Problem with Chelsea fans is they are spoiled and dont know shit about player value to the club. Booing after bad game to tell him he has to step up is one thing, but actualy debating should he be sold, is he good enough, how much money can we get and how can we replace him is beyond ridiculous.

Get a grip people, right now we cant attract players like Eden and if we sell him, we will not see 1st or 2nd place for next 3 seasons at least.

Sometimes I just feel some people would deserve a very crappy Chelsea for couple seasons, because they cant appreciate what we actualy have and know jack shit about loyalty, trust and respect.

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1 minute ago, BlueLyon said:

What is truly funny is most Chelsea fans never learn. Hazard was apparently worth less than crap and most wanted him to be sold two years ago. Season later, SAME people lick his ass.

Now its basicaly the same. Yeah he isnt doing that great and we have another shit season, so lets throw more crap at Hazard because he is bad. Lets sell him in summer, right? Yet, thick brains dont think twice about concesquences. We sold Costa and Matic who were important, but nowhere near Eden. Yet, we dropped down 4 places. Without Eden, not only we will lose main and probably only creative force, we also lose the man that automaticaly forces opponent to play differently when handling Eden.

But yeah sell him, because he isnt scoring winner every game. When will people realize being best player at club has nothing to do with goals, at all?

I would understand if it was his first or second season at club. But he is here now almost the longest serving player from current team, and he was definately amazing in every season, bar 2015-16. Even this season, he was outstanding in first half and I remember people here prasing him for stepping up. Now couple average games, people here just forget all that.

Its just sad. No one says dont criticise him. He is responsible player and needs to show his worth. If he doesnt, its only right to be unhappy.

Shit, Real fans boo Ronaldo too. But they fucking understand deep down that he is still incredible player and wouldnt sell him at all. Problem with Chelsea fans is they are spoiled and dont know shit about player value to the club. Booing after bad game to tell him he has to step up is one thing, but actualy debating should he be sold, is he good enough, how much money can we get and how can we replace him is beyond ridiculous.

Get a grip people, right now we cant attract players like Eden and if we sell him, we will not see 1st or 2nd place for next 3 seasons at least.

Sometimes I just feel some people would deserve a very crappy Chelsea for couple seasons, because they cant appreciate what we actualy have and know jack shit about loyalty, trust and respect.

Jesus, Nothing in my post says we should sell him. All i said is he's not good enough to start in Madrid. In fact im totally against selling him because we have a board who replaces matic with bakayoko. With hazards money, these guys will buy trash like Albrighton. Hazard has flaws in his gameplay which he can improve if someone coached him personally thats all i mentioned lol.

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1 minute ago, kellzfresh said:

Jesus, Nothing in my post says we should sell him. All i said is he's not good enough to start in Madrid. In fact im totally against selling him because we have a board who replaces matic with bakayoko. With hazards money, these guys will buy trash like Albrighton. Hazard has flaws in his gameplay which he can improve if someone coached him personally thats all i mentioned lol.

Sorry if you meant the post was for you...its some other people who love to shit on Eden and then lick his ass few games later.

I agree with you though, for Eden it would be difficult to get into current Real team, because there is Ronaldo. There is also Benzema who doesnt score enough on his own. But once CR leaves and Real gets proper striker, I stand by my opinion Eden is the best option for Real on LW. Hazard isnt perfect, but what we love to forget that he is pretty much the only modern football type of player on this team. And we play football that was popular years ago. Belgium with Martinez isnt any better example, KDB isnt half the player there either. Put Eden in actual attacking team with good organisation and he will thrive. Its almost sad how little people value him. Sure he isnt better than Messi or Ronaldo. But he would slot right into any top side in the world, bar Real Madrid because of Ronaldo. Bayern, Psg, Barca, City; Eden would easly slot ahead of their LWs.

Eden has world class ball control and selfishness, something IMO would work fantastic next to players that Real has. Isco was splendid last season and Eden is pretty much better and quicker version of Isco.

I want him to stay here until he is 34, but sometimes I just wish to see him on another top team that actualy plays football. If people regret selling KDB and Salah, IMO Hazard thriwing in another top team would cause Chelsea fans to commit suicides lol.Yeah I believe he would be that good.

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