Eden Hazard

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

7 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said:

So now 27 is too old!?...

He's a one contract player who will cost a fortune. just doesn't seem like the type of player to re-invest a hazard sum for. 

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Use him as leverage to get Varane, then we can buy Isco/James/Reus and end up with a better squad if we're selling.

 

 

[FabHazard 655]

If you look at his game vs sunderland in 13-14..he was very fit and his body was in prime condition...This season he does not look like that anymore.... not to mention accumulation of matches and lots of kicking by his opponents has taken a toll on him..he needs a break..i think this 2 weeks rest will do good for him..hopefully he will be back !

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

I'm about the badge, players will come and go and only the badge endures... If you agree that his body language all season long has been poor then there is great reason to speculate both positively and negatively for his sudden drop. You choose to remember when he looked interested and lively, I choose to focus on what he looks like now. In my opinion he doesn't fight for the shirt anymore you look at Willian, Azpi and Zouma for instance and you see them fighting for the club. I don't get the sense that Hazard even wants to be a Chelsea player anymore and if he does he needs to at least perform to 30% of his potential! Yes you are right some people haven't played well also, but to say Hazard is the only one to receive criticism is well off base! Costa, Cahill, Ivanovic, Fabregas, Oscar, Matic and Falcao have all received the same sort of criticism Hazard has. The difference is Hazard is supposed to be our talisman, the guy you can bank on making a difference in the game, the guy who can singlehandedly decide the match... He's looked nothing close to that and I refuse to hold onto memories of yesteryear when we're pretty much in a relegation battle and he looks like he couldn't care less.

Its all fine and good you lot who don't want to upset the apple cart because he is immensely talented and all that but for me I love the players who give their all for the badge regardless of their skill level. Hazard has only on a couple of occasions this season looked lively and he's our highest paid player. In my opinion if you're highest paid player isn't also your hardest working you have problems because it has a knock on affect in the locker room. 

In truth shape up or ship out.... We were successful long before Hazard and will be long after he is gone! PLAYERS WHO FIGHT FOR THE BADGE ONLY!

You are not entirely wrong but if you're going with that, then we practically need to throw the entire squad out because most have looked disinterested and they couldn't be bothered this season. Mind you, many wanted Drogba out pre-2010 but we stuck with him and look what happened after that.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

You are not entirely wrong but if you're going with that, then we practically need to throw the entire squad out because most have looked disinterested and they couldn't be bothered this season. Mind you, many wanted Drogba out pre-2010 but we stuck with him and look what happened after that.

Again, the difference is Hazard is supposed to be our Talisman I hold him to a higher standard. Oscar has been hit and miss his entire career, Fab just looks lazy... Hazard is our highest paid player we can't afford to have a passenger earning 200k a week

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Again, the difference is Hazard is supposed to be our Talisman I hold him to a higher standard. Oscar has been hit and miss his entire career, Fab just looks lazy... Hazard is our highest paid player we can't afford to have a passenger earning 200k a week

So, you're basically saying that if we have a bunch of shit players, it's OK for them to look disinterested? Why should there be a difference in standards or expectations when they are all players playing for a big club like Chelsea? Going with what you said previously, they should be giving their all and fight for the badge week in week out, talisman or not. And if they suddenly suffer a drop in form, I would try to see/analyze what's the reason rather than just immediately write them off and use reasons like wages etc.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

So, you're basically saying that if we have a bunch of shit players, it's OK for them to look disinterested? Why should there be a difference in standards or expectations when they are all players playing for a big club like Chelsea? Going with what you said previously, they should be giving their all and fight for the badge week in week out, talisman or not. And if they suddenly suffer a drop in form, I would try to see/analyze what's the reason rather than just immediately write them off and use reasons like wages etc.

Huh? Are best and highest paid players have to be our hardest working! It has a negative affect on the dressing room when your best players don't set the standard.

[The Skipper 20,593]

28 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Again, the difference is Hazard is supposed to be our Talisman I hold him to a higher standard. Oscar has been hit and miss his entire career, Fab just looks lazy... Hazard is our highest paid player we can't afford to have a passenger earning 200k a week

Wouldn't you say Didier was one of our talismen back then as wel though? 

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

Wouldn't you say Didier was one of our talismen back then as wel though? 

Didier was our talisman from 09 onward for sure.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Huh? Are best and highest paid players have to be our hardest working! It has a negative affect on the dressing room when your best players don't set the standard.

That's kinda weak. Regardless of their wages, they should be showing the same level of commitment, desire and performance in every week. It doesn't matter if one earns more than the rest. And we shouldn't forget that these players are humans too, they aren't robots. Should at least be showing some form of understanding and finding out what's the reason(s) when players aren't performing as they should be.

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

If we're gonna sell him I hope we don't use the money on Bale mainly because I don't think he is good enough.

We should go for Reus instead.

[Chelsea Legend 11 4,062]

12 minutes ago, Jason said:

That's kinda weak. Regardless of their wages, they should be showing the same level of commitment, desire and performance in every week. It doesn't matter if one earns more than the rest. And we shouldn't forget that these players are humans too, they aren't robots. Should at least be showing some form of understanding and finding out what's the reason(s) when players aren't performing as they should be.

Its not though. Hazard has developed a reputation for being a lazy player without the ambition to reach his potential... Many say that about him. I think you're missing what I am saying about wages and skills. When John Terry and Frank Lampard were our highest paid players there was a responsibility that came with that, not only as leaders for the club but also as our best player to work hard and justify the salary. You don't get paid those sorts of monies strictly for your potential, your work ethic and commitment to the team is also taken into account(unless you're Torres) 

Hazard has gone longer than Torres and Shevy in terms of minutes between goals. That is the startling realization that most of you have to wake up to... This is woefully as bad as where we are in the table and I think there is a correlation there as well.

[Henrique 9,133]

4 hours ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

He's a one contract player who will cost a fortune. just doesn't seem like the type of player to re-invest a hazard sum for. 

Stop the madness mate. Chelsea is not a club that buy players thinking about selling then later. 27 years old is not even close of being "too old'. Actually I believe the problem with this team, is paying too much for players like Hazard and Oscar,  unfinished products.

[Henrique 9,133]

14 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Its not though. Hazard has developed a reputation for being a lazy player without the ambition to reach his potential... Many say that about him. I think you're missing what I am saying about wages and skills. When John Terry and Frank Lampard were our highest paid players there was a responsibility that came with that, not only as leaders for the club but also as our best player to work hard and justify the salary. You don't get paid those sorts of monies strictly for your potential, your work ethic and commitment to the team is also taken into account(unless you're Torres) 

Hazard has gone longer than Torres and Shevy in terms of minutes between goals. That is the startling realization that most of you have to wake up to... This is woefully as bad as where we are in the table and I think there is a correlation there as well.

I don't think Hazard is lazy, he already reached his potential. Other people were the ones saying he could be the best player in the world, but I don't think thats the case. For me he is a player like Ribery or Robben, great but not the best.

[Jase 43,479]

23 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

ts not though. Hazard has developed a reputation for being a lazy player without the ambition to reach his potential... Many say that about him. I think you're missing what I am saying about wages and skills. When John Terry and Frank Lampard were our highest paid players there was a responsibility that came with that, not only as leaders for the club but also as our best player to work hard and justify the salary. You don't get paid those sorts of monies strictly for your potential, your work ethic and commitment to the team is also taken into account(unless you're Torres) 

Hazard can certainly do more to fulfill his potential but don't think I would classify him as lazy. If he was as lazy as you said, we wouldn't have seen the many of the great performances he put in over the last 2 seasons or so. I seriously don't get why you're using 'wages' to judge the level of expectations (didn't you say it's about fighting for the club and the badge?). When you're playing for Chelsea, you expect the same things from everyone. It's not all about the wages!

23 minutes ago, Chelsea Legend 11 said:

Hazard has gone longer than Torres and Shevy in terms of minutes between goals. That is the startling realization that most of you have to wake up to... This is woefully as bad as where we are in the table and I think there is a correlation there as well.

It is rubbish that Hazard hasn't scored like in nearly 30 games ( ) but comparing an attacking midfielder with two strikers - players who are meant to be scoring goals - seems a tad harsh. Stats do say he's rubbish but in reality, he hasn't reached the Torres-level of point-of-no-return.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Bale is not leaving Madrid to join a club outside the CL lol. If he does leave it'll be for United.

[Weckerz 3,781]

18 minutes ago, Gilvorak said:

Bale is not leaving Madrid to join a club outside the CL lol. If he does leave it'll be for United.

That's what I was thinking.. people are talking like we can just sell Hazard and reinvest the fee in quality replacements. I think some underestimate how big a disaster missing the CL is for a club like ours.

[Barbara 15,149]

6 hours ago, CurlyHairLikeLuiz said:

Use him as leverage to get Varane, then we can buy Isco/James/Reus and end up with a better squad if we're selling.

 

 

and why would any of them, let alone more than one - would come here?

WE won't play UCL, we aren't one of the big guys and we don't have a clue who our manager will be, but with Pep already in Manchester basically, there aren't any big games that would attract people here.

I don't think our spending policy will revert to what it was back when Roman bought the club, so we won't be spending more than City for example. We don't have a powerhouse name like United has, two of those players are already in the biggest club of the world (even if not the best). I don't know, but people are forgetting two important things when they talk about selling one of the few real talents we have here: 1) we aren't attractive as other clubs; 2) there aren't many good talents in general, much less looking or willing to do a move (a downgrade for most of them). That's not to mention we aren't the big spenders we used to be, but I won't write this on stone because if Roman decides for it, he'll spend a crazy amount again.

There's no reason why we should sell Hazard. He's going through a slump, the season's prospects we have  won't offer him much motivation to find his best form. Let the guy be, it's better for him to have an off season when we suck, rather than we really need him to achieve success and glory. We don't stand a chance at all in UCL, FAC is irrelevant for a player to play out of his mind for. So, let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Also Hazard >Varane and definitely Hazard>Isco. Maybe James could be the same level, and Reus is a suicidal signing. He spends way too much time injury, which makes him a liability.