🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

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[OhForAGreavsie 6,125]

On 26/06/2019 at 10:57 AM, 11Drogba said:

How about you? What is your opinion?

Well, every rating system gives it to Neymar but I think it's closer than this suggests.

Playing in a genuinely effective team makes so big a difference that Eden has been at a huge disadvantage for the bulk of his career. When your side moves the ball quickly, with purpose and with the kind of quality which wrong foots defenders, then running lanes open and the impact of any movement is multiplied. When your passes are collected by Messi or Suarez then your statistics are going to get a boost. I think this compensates for the differences which lead to Neymar being consistently rated above Eden.

[Fernando 6,723]

I appreciate all this guy did for the team and hope he enjoys his time at Real Madrid. 

However I just get this feeling that he might not be as good as they want. Kinda of like Bale, and hence the club will never be in love with him like Chelsea was. 

But the good thing is that he didn't burn his bridges like Courtois. 

[BlueSunshine 672]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

 

What the fuck, i didn't know there was a Chelsea Foundation academy at Sani Resort (though it kinda makes sense because it is the preferred destination of many rich Russians, so maybe Roman has some connections there). It is an 1 hour drive from where i live and the funny thing is that i will be spending this weekend in a nearby location, so i was thinking to stop by Sani on my way there and have a cup of coffee at the marina.. Maybe i should wear my Chelsea shirt and go have a word with him

[Blue Armour 4,714]

7 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Always a Blue at heart.

[the wes 7,212]

18 hours ago, Jason said:

 

What a nice thing to do even know he's a real player now I hope hazard gets a hero's welcome if we get real in the champions League 

[coolhead23 1,147]

Hazard is coming back to Chelsea after 4 seasons

[1905didierblue 748]

2 hours ago, coolhead23 said:

Hazard is coming back to Chelsea after 4 seasons

As a 32 year old. Will be a luxury buy.

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

8 hours ago, the wes said:

What a nice thing to do even know he's a real player now I hope hazard gets a hero's welcome if we get real in the champions League 

If anyone compares him to Courtois, show them this. 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

4 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

As a 32 year old. Will be a luxury buy.

He'll be fat. Doesn't take care of himself now lol the fatty boom boom. Cheeseburgers will make that arse gigantic 

[the wes 7,212]

 

[OneMoSalah 9,093]

On 27/06/2019 at 11:36 AM, OhForAGreavsie said:

Well, every rating system gives it to Neymar but I think it's closer than this suggests.

Playing in a genuinely effective team makes so big a difference that Eden has been at a huge disadvantage for the bulk of his career. When your side moves the ball quickly, with purpose and with the kind of quality which wrong foots defenders, then running lanes open and the impact of any movement is multiplied. When your passes are collected by Messi or Suarez then your statistics are going to get a boost. I think this compensates for the differences which lead to Neymar being consistently rated above Eden.

Honestly that is a true and false statement. The years we won the league we were really good, played different styles etc and he did well. The likes of a Messi, Ronaldo, even Neymar of 2 years ago, you could stick them in any team and they would do well, and be involved in 40 goals minimum. Hazard will do well at Madrid but the excuse that he was at a disadvantage playing here or even at Lille is wholely not true. Great players make others around them play better. Not just great teams make one player play better. Sure he doesnt like tracking back or playing in a team that plays a low block or counter attacking football or whatever but thats upto the manager. He got himself to a brilliant level here, playing in a couple of very very good teams. Yes playing with Marcelo/Mendy will be different to Alonso and Emerson, or playing with Modric will be different to playing with Kovacic/Kante or whoever but I wouldnt say Eden was held back here, he just had his best season statistically. Its not like he didnt have chances to score more goals, create more chances, get more assists (okay strikers not amazing but still),  play better in some games over the span of his Chelsea career? He grew here, to one of the best in Europe. Hes a much better footballer for playing with us than if he went somewhere else I would argue because hes had the chance to work with managers like Rafa Benitez, Jose Mourinho, Antonio Conte who have all got so much experience pushing top players as well as winning trophies. Everyone of them all gave him something different. Even the other managers who have been here. Just look at some of the players too he played with here who all had either or a mixture of great ability (if not when here somewhere else like Eto'o who was one of the best strikers about), winning mentality and big match experience, the likes of Cech, Drogba, Lampard, Cole, JT, Fabregas, Costa, even Eto'o among countless others. Theres no doubt we could have had better teams when hes been here but every club will say the same about their teams , there isnt a perfect team out there.

I think when he signed it was the perfect choice for his career progression due to the fact we could afford to give him more assurances for playing time than City or United at that moment, as well as countless top managers, top players around him as well as the winning mentality that the older heads have. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

Agree with @OneMoSalah above.

Like many here have stated over and over again, except his true fans (who predictably are gone by now), his lack of grit is what holds him back: both during games and at practice. You can see that he’s not the most fit footballer.

For all his faults, Neymar also gets injured a lot because he exposes himself a lot. Never though eden did that especially when games turned rough as in physical. Again, the grit part.

[Thor 2,817]

Agree with [mention=3876]OneMoSalah[/mention] above.
Like many here have stated over and over again, except his true fans (who predictably are gone by now), his lack of grit is what holds him back: both during games and at practice. You can see that he’s not the most fit footballer.
For all his faults, Neymar also gets injured a lot because he exposes himself a lot. Never though eden did that especially when games turned rough as in physical. Again, the grit part.

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On 6/27/2019 at 6:36 PM, OhForAGreavsie said:

Well, every rating system gives it to Neymar but I think it's closer than this suggests.

Playing in a genuinely effective team makes so big a difference that Eden has been at a huge disadvantage for the bulk of his career. When your side moves the ball quickly, with purpose and with the kind of quality which wrong foots defenders, then running lanes open and the impact of any movement is multiplied. When your passes are collected by Messi or Suarez then your statistics are going to get a boost. I think this compensates for the differences which lead to Neymar being consistently rated above Eden.

I think Neymar and Hazard are pretty much at the same tier. Statistic wise hazard number will definitely be worse because during his time here he has played under defensive manager. If Hazard play for klopp or Pep, I can see his number going up easily. Just look at sterling number. 

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,125]

20 minutes ago, communicate said:

I think Neymar and Hazard are pretty much at the same tier. Statistic wise hazard number will definitely be worse because during his time here he has played under defensive manager. If Hazard play for klopp or Pep, I can see his number going up easily. Just look at sterling number. 

 

Good point. People can certainly argue that Neymar is better than Hazard, and that argument may even be right. I very much doubt however that many people would buy into the idea that Sterling's numbers suggest that he too is a better player than Eden. My feeling is that if you swapped their teams, you would also swap their numbers.

I'm not saying anybody here doubts that the quality of the team he plays for makes a difference to the impact a player can have. It's just a question of how big that difference in quality has really been in this case, and exactly how big a difference, if any, it has made in the Eden vs Neymar debate.

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9 hours ago, Thor said:

Stop posting.

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No?!  

Please use the ignore list so you don’t have to read them? 🙄 

Thought that all the hazard police would be gone by now. 

to the people actually discussing footy here, are you not missing something obvious? Hazard is well behind his peers in terms of shooting, especially from outside of the box. That has little to do with style or formation.

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

Hazard isn't a finisher, he's a creator. He's the player you want just behind an Aguero, Suarez, Lewandowski, etc. 

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20 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Hazard isn't a finisher, he's a creator. He's the player you want just behind an Aguero, Suarez, Lewandowski, etc. 

Sure. I see him more effective as a dribbler than a guy who can find that killer pass tho. That’s KDB.

And dribbling IMO is a bit easier to contain. Give him the side, low block, just contain.

that goes into personal preferences of course, but at this level we are essentially merely discussing what is slightly more effective and in which conditions.

you are in CL semi and you can pick one player to chase a goal, who would that be? In my (fun) list KDB would be well above hazard but that’s just me.

[MoroccanBlue 5,399]

4 minutes ago, Robchels said:

Sure. I see him more effective as a dribbler than a guy who can find that killer pass tho. That’s be KDB.

And dribbling IMO is a bit easier to contain. Give him the side, low block, just contain.

that goes into personal preferences of course, but at this level we are essentially merely discussing what is slightly more effective and in which conditions.

you are in CL semi and you can pick on player to chase a goal, who would that be? In my (fun) list KDB would be well above hazard but that’s just me.

You have an uncanny dislike towards Hazard don't you? 

I'd say Hazard's dribbling ability is what makes him an effective creator. He may not be a deadly finisher in the box, but he finds the right pass. Since his time in the premier league, he's created more chances than 'Killer pass' experts in David Silva, Ozil, and Eriksen.