Tomo 21,751 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: I wouldn't say hes not world class but I get what you mean, he doesn't have those goals and assists to put him up there with world class attacking players and quite frankly I don't think he ever will even hit over 20 a season in a league season. Which is why I think as a second striker he can do better. Luis Figo never scored more than 14 in a season yet he is widely considered as one of the best players of his era!!! Amblève. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weckerz 3,781 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, DDA said: There isn't much in it between Hazard and Sanchez for me. Hazard is in the top 10 players but i would place Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez, Neymar maybe even De Bryune (current form) in front of him. Sounds about right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,089 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Tomo said: Luis Figo never scored more than 14 in a season yet he is widely considered as one of the best players of his era!!! Yes maybe but the likes of Messi and Ronaldo have shown that people can put in great performances consistently and also score lots and lots of goals. That is why people regard Ronaldo and Messi the best of all time (disagree about Ronaldo but Messi is definitely the best of all time) That is probably now a days what people expect from the worlds best. Hazards goal output will continue to hold him back in these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said: Yes maybe but the likes of Messi and Ronaldo have shown that people can put in great performances consistently and also score lots and lots of goals. That is why people regard Ronaldo and Messi the best of all time (disagree about Ronaldo but Messi is definitely the best of all time) That is probably now a days what people expect from the worlds best. Hazards goal output will continue to hold him back in these things. Messi's undisputedly the best, but Ronaldo has sacrafised the authentically pleasing side of his game to pad out his goal stats, i liked him as a player much much more at United. Messi's godlike greatness shouldn't distract from how great Hazard is and Figo was. I personally wouldn't want Hazard taking ten low percentage shots a game to score 1 as while that may finally give him the credit he deserves both he and us would be worse off for it in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,089 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tomo said: Messi's undisputedly the best, but Ronaldo has sacrafised the authentically pleasing side of his game to pad out his goal stats, i liked him as a player much much more at United. Messi's godlike greatness shouldn't distract from how great Hazard is and Figo was. I personally wouldn't want Hazard taking ten low percentage shots a game to score 1 as while that may finally give him the credit he deserves both he and us would be worse off for it in my opinion. Think Ronaldo since moving to Madrid, dribbles less and shoots more yeah but his game intelligence is so vastly superior to what it was in the PL I think. He ghosts into spaces, runs less, can still play 1v1 if he needs to etc. Authentically pleasing side of his game gone or not you cannot say he isn't better for it. Figo was excellent player as well I don't disagree. Hazard doesn't need to shoot every time he has the ball but there are so many obvious times where he should and he doesn't, until he gets this ruthless streak or nasty streak whatever you want to call it into his game and starts hitting 20, 25 a season minimum then will he be considered a potential Ballon D'Or winner once the likes of Ronaldo and Messi fade off but I can see Messi being a contender for another few years yet because he is just an irresistible football, he is phenomenal. FabHazard and robsblubot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Can't believe this discussion... It is widely considered among fans of all clubs in the world that Hazard is one of the best in the world. So many former star footballers have said he is just a little off from Messi and Ronaldo for people to dismiss his greatness in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riquelme 4 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: I wouldn't say hes not world class but I get what you mean, he doesn't have those goals and assists to put him up there with world class attacking players and quite frankly I don't think he ever will even hit over 20 a season in a league season. Which is why I think as a second striker he can do better. He is just too laid back, sure he will play excellent in some games and look at a level above everybody in the PL but the guys like Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo, Dybala... they are constantly striving to beat somebodies goal tallies or to beat their previous tallies. Ronaldo and Messi are superhuman in comparison to everyone else (well Messi is a different level to Ronaldo entirely for me but), I think somebody like Neymar or Dybala has more chance of winning the Ballon D'Or than Hazard, because they are driven to be the number 1 player in the world, Neymar left for PSG so he wasn't in Messi's shadow.. that says it all. Dybala is probably going to leave Juventus in the summer or next for a huge club and become a top 3 or top 5 player in the world. Defenders are also extremely underappreciated when it comes to these sort of things but different story for a different day.  Its frustrating because we all know how good Eden is and he clearly knows but he seems very comfortable to stay at the level hes on. Not that hes lazy or that etc but its just a minor flaw I think, hes confident but he isn't looking to surpass what hes done in football, sure it may sound like he should be more selfish yeah and it might hurt the team but Ronaldo and Messi have won these awards churning out these amazing numbers and consistency for years when their teams win massive titles or not. Like mentioned in other threads, on this forum and other social media platforms as well as the fanbase at games, there is a percentage who seem to believe than Eden cannot get any better because hes at Chelsea as opposed to what I think, that hes not as driven or ambitious as a Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo etc. He could become a top 3-5 attacking player in the world here, only he can do it though. Which is why I laugh every time I see "he needs to leave to play with players of a similar quality" but for me, the great players can make those around them look good. Dybala has not a great season. And since Conte, he has improved on forward role, as seen on how he plays with national team now. And sure it wasn't his greatest match yesterday but you can't dismiss how good are other players and how it affects play. Look how our players in defence and midfield had difficulties yesterday even when they had the ball, Arsenal could gamble knowing the players would not go past them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Incredible that in almost 6 years since Hazard joined we havent signed a proper right winger on the other side. DDA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Chelsea fans believe Zinedine Zidane could be set to replace Antonio Conte https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/chelsea/chelsea-fans-believe-zinedine-zidane-could-be-set-to-replace-antonio-conte hazard would like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,204 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Bosnian Blue said: Incredible that in almost 6 years since Hazard joined we havent signed a proper right winger on the other side. We signed Salah LAM09, kellzfresh and Sir Mikel OBE 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,710 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Quote  Pressed by German newspaper Welt on whether he now sits among the global elite, Sane said: “No, I'm still far from being on their level. In the whole world, only a few players are. “Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar and Hazard are on a level no one else can currently compete with. The achievements of [Mesut] Ozil and [Edinson] Cavani are incredible, too.  Interesting that he doesn't mention his own teammate DeBruyne despite the guys laying on goals and assists this season.  You can call Hazard WC or not...doesn't matter. For as long as he plays, he is the single most important player for Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,710 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Bosnian Blue said: Incredible that in almost 6 years since Hazard joined we havent signed a proper right winger on the other side. Pedro to an extent. But he's 30 and pushing it. So is Willian as a matter of fact. We should be going in for another winger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,085 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Incredible that in almost 6 years since Hazard joined we havent signed a proper right winger on the other side. We had options, but they were done away with to accommodate the likes of Cuadrado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beigl 1,387 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 [emoji38] Hilarious indeed. Haven 't laughed this hard since Mourinho got sacked. And for a change, couldn't some people just give counter arguments instead of laughing other's people opinons off? No wonder that this forum is dead nowadays. Sir Mikel OBE and BlueLion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 9,089 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 15 hours ago, Yeboii said: Can't believe this discussion... It is widely considered among fans of all clubs in the world that Hazard is one of the best in the world. So many former star footballers have said he is just a little off from Messi and Ronaldo for people to dismiss his greatness in football. Is he really a "little off" from those two? Honestly I'd think Neymar is the closest to them and Neymar for me is better than Hazard. Guys like Suarez and Lewandowski (ok they are CFs) are world class attacking players too. He may be one of the best in the world in your eyes but it has to be said there is much more chance of that being in the top 6 -10 as opposed to the top 3 or 4. The consistency is there at times but also it isn't but it is his goal output really let hims down I think. If he was 20-25 a season minimum in the PL people would say yes hes as good as Ronaldo or as good as Neymar.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,204 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Is he really a "little off" from those two? Honestly I'd think Neymar is the closest to them and Neymar for me is better than Hazard. Guys like Suarez and Lewandowski (ok they are CFs) are world class attacking players too. He may be one of the best in the world in your eyes but it has to be said there is much more chance of that being in the top 6 -10 as opposed to the top 3 or 4. The consistency is there at times but also it isn't but it is his goal output really let hims down I think. If he was 20-25 a season minimum in the PL people would say yes hes as good as Ronaldo or as good as Neymar.  Neymar is an amazing footballer. I always see posters on here putting him down and saying he isn't all that.... but the guy is ridiculous with a football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 3 hours ago, OneMoSalah said: Is he really a "little off" from those two? Honestly I'd think Neymar is the closest to them and Neymar for me is better than Hazard. Guys like Suarez and Lewandowski (ok they are CFs) are world class attacking players too. He may be one of the best in the world in your eyes but it has to be said there is much more chance of that being in the top 6 -10 as opposed to the top 3 or 4. The consistency is there at times but also it isn't but it is his goal output really let hims down I think. If he was 20-25 a season minimum in the PL people would say yes hes as good as Ronaldo or as good as Neymar.  Neymar has never been tested as Hazard has been tbh. Having said that, he is a little off from those two as well. If Messi and Ronaldo didn't exist I think Hazard and Neymar would be battling it out for Balon d'or. Who the third person would be I don't know. Maybe Suarez, Lewa, Modric or someone of that caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,598 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Transfer Hazard! Chelsea must spend big if they want to keep Eden and their star players, warns Frank Lampard  https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-eden-hazard-chelsea-must-spend-big-if-they-want-to-keep-star-players-warns-frank-lampard-a3750271.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wes 7,212 Posted January 26, 2018 Author Share Posted January 26, 2018 22 minutes ago, xPetrCechx said: Transfer Hazard! Chelsea must spend big if they want to keep Eden and their star players, warns Frank Lampard  https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-eden-hazard-chelsea-must-spend-big-if-they-want-to-keep-star-players-warns-frank-lampard-a3750271.html Hes right what lamps saying look at arsenal for example all their top players were leaving cause they wouldn't sign top players a while back 11Drogba and xPetrCechx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSunshine 672 Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 20 minutes ago, the wes said: Hes right what lamps saying look at arsenal for example all their top players were leave cause they wouldn't sign top players a while back He is just saying what Chelsea fans have been saying for years. The board won't give a fuck though, no matter who says it. the wes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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