🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[Hostedenis 556]

OK I admit he is a bit better than Reus

Ok, that is like the understatement of the year. No surprise it's coming from you again. I get it, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but don't say stuff just to be controversial.

Atm he is around 15 goals and I believe half of that are pen, he is capable of hitting 20 every season now he is entering the peak of his career.

He scored 19 or 20 last season, depending on which online source you use (I guess the difference is the goal he made against Everton which some count as an own-goal). He scored 14 in the premier league. I watched all of our PL games last season, and as I recall it (I may be slightly off here, but definitely not completely) he only scored one or two penalty goals. The entire season we were complaining that the refs weren't giving us any penalties (although we had decent shouts) and in the last game he gave a penalty to Costa to bring Diego's tally to 20, if I remember it correctly.

He most definitely didn't convert "half of his goals" from the spot. Nonsense.

[Tomo 21,751]

Because scoring goals are what separated top wingers from just great wingers. No one is asking him to go out and bang in 40 goals like Neymar but like others said around 20 every season is something he should be aiming for. Atm he is around 15 goals and I believe half of that are pen, he is capable of hitting 20 every season now he is entering the peak of his career.

That is why Willian is often overlooked as if only he has contributed to something more substantial, he would be considered one of the best winger in the world but as it is he is just considered a good winger.

He had 17 and 19 in his last two seasons, he averages 1 in 2 and a bit games, for a wide player who is asked to track back a fair bit that is very good, even including pens and especially including what else he does.

The sheer amount of chances he creates with his dribbling skills is insane, only Messi beats him in that regard.

[Tomo 21,751]

I agree with your point. But Eden himself has stressed his desire to score more on more than a couple of occasions. He definitely has the talent and vision to combine that thirst for scoring goals without sacrificing his natural game. He can work on his shooting for example to improve in this area. He seems to have trouble combining accuracy with real power. When he goes for accuracy, aiming for the corners, his shots tend to lack power. It's weird how he's hit some screamers out of reach for the GK with his left foot though.

I don't expect him to hit Messi numbers but 25 goals and +/-15 assists is something he can aim for and achieve I think.

Of course he would want that, he is a hungry individual who would never settle for what he's got if that makes sense and of course if he can get to 25/15 that would be amazing factoring in everything else he does. But even if he stays on the 15-20 barrier for the rest of the career it shouldn't detract from what a great player he is, which sadly is the case in some quarters.

Another example with Eden is Swansea at home last season, he didn't score an assist but single handedly turned the game around for us, we were awful for the first 20 and Hazard took the responsibility upped his game and turned it around for us, if he has 10 of those games every season then even 10 goals from him would be great.

[illmatic 901]

His goal was incredible, but most incredible was his overall performance on the first half, dribbling Barca players likes cones.

But yesterday remains clear one thing, If we want that this guy shine on his maximum expression, we must control the ball when is in our possession. Look the difference on the first half playing with Matic - Cesc - Oscar, and in the second, playing with a that shit of midfield. I'm not asking a 99% of possession like Barca, I'm asking a team who can do more than 2 consecutives passes and not lose the ball 3 seconds after recover it. Hazard is after Messi, the best player with the ball on his feets, but in our last season, in all big games he NEVER had the ball, it's normal that his performance in this kind of games was poor.

Eden showed yesterday again that he is a matches winner, and player who can unbalance a game against any rival, but we must help him.

The last season we wasted him on the big games, this season we can't commit the same mistake. We have the third best player in the world, and should benefit of that.

[DYC. 7,542]

Of course he would want that, he is a hungry individual who would never settle for what he's got if that makes sense and of course if he can get to 25/15 that would be amazing factoring in everything else he does. But even if he stays on the 15-20 barrier for the rest of the career it shouldn't detract from what a great player he is, which sadly is the case in some quarters.

Another example with Eden is Swansea at home last season, he didn't score an assist but single handedly turned the game around for us, we were awful for the first 20 and Hazard took the responsibility upped his game and turned it around for us, if he has 10 of those games every season then even 10 goals from him would be great.

Can't disagree with that. Eden is absolutely brilliant for me. Players like Silva, Cazorla, Ribery etc. have an effect on games that goes further than goals and assists. James Rodriguez is another player I absolutely love and has a similar effect on games. Not on Eden's level though (yet).

But Hazard feels/knows he can do better. I think he wants to become a proper (football) legend and to do that, he does need to do better.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Can't disagree with that. Eden is absolutely brilliant for me. Players like Silva, Cazorla, Ribery etc. have an effect on games that goes further than goals and assists. James Rodriguez is another player I absolutely love and has a similar effect on games. Not on Eden's level though (yet).

But Hazard feels/knows he can do better. I think he wants to become a proper (football) legend and to do that, he does need to do better.

RIbery yes. I feel you're massively overrating Silva & Cazorla though. Very good players but not in the same League.

[DYC. 7,542]

RIbery yes. I feel you're massively overrating Silva & Cazorla though. Very good players but not in the same League.

I wasn't naming players in the same league as Hazard. Just examples of players who can change games without scoring or assisting.

But saying Silva is not in the same league as Hazard is simply not true for me. Silva is briilliant. Cazorla is not as good, but I find him very underrated. Fantastic player.

[Oscar 441]

Douglas is out for 8 weeks....

[Stingray 9,441]

His goal was incredible, but most incredible was his overall performance on the first half, dribbling Barca players likes cones.

But yesterday remains clear one thing, If we want that this guy shine on his maximum expression, we must control the ball when is in our possession. Look the difference on the first half playing with Matic - Cesc - Oscar, and in the second, playing with a that shit of midfield. I'm not asking a 99% of possession like Barca, I'm asking a team who can do more than 2 consecutives passes and not lose the ball 3 seconds after recover it. Hazard is after Messi, the best player with the ball on his feets, but in our last season, in all big games he NEVER had the ball, it's normal that his performance in this kind of games was poor.

Eden showed yesterday again that he is a matches winner, and player who can unbalance a game against any rival, but we must help him.

The last season we wasted him on the big games, this season we can't commit the same mistake. We have the third best player in the world, and should benefit of that.

This, very true!

[cfcs most wanted 657]

RIbery yes. I feel you're massively overrating Silva & Cazorla though. Very good players but not in the same League.

Can't say about Cazorla but you're massively underrating Silva. Look at how much City depend on him to perform, he certainly is their most important player.

[Styles 9,790]

There's no contest anymore. The quality, the style, the charisma, the personality... and to make things even better, he wears the shirt with that crest. He is hands down my favourite footballer now. Absolute perfection. Good ol' Eidur used to be my favourite sight in Chelsea blue but Eden has taken over. I'm in love.

What took you so long?

Hazard

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Can't say about Cazorla but you're massively underrating Silva. Look at how much City depend on him to perform, he certainly is their most important player.

Nah, Yaya Toure & Aguero are their most important players. Look at how bad they were this season without Toure in form for most of the year.

[Parky 739]

Im hopeful this year will be even better than last. Hazard is the 'Diamond' we should build our team around. I'd like to see him to play the 10 role in the center eventually...

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

Nah, Yaya Toure & Aguero are their most important players. Look at how bad they were this season without Toure in form for most of the year.

City are absolutely shambles without Silva.

[Unionjack 7,532]

Im hopeful this year will be even better than last. Hazard is the 'Diamond' we build our team around. I'd like to see him to play the 10 role in the centre eventually...

I agree. It would be great to have a proper number 10.

[Amblève. 4,995]

Hazard will not play as our #10 as long as Fabregas is part of the double pivot.

[Mustafa 885]

I dont see why people are saying Hazard should START as a #10. His role right now is fine just the way it is. He has freedom. He can roam the pitch whenever he wants. Its not like he doesnt move from the touchline. I think its smart to have him on the wing. Where he can be one on one against a defender. He capable of destroying any defender he wants imo when it comes to 1v1.

All were missing is someone who can make use of the space Hazard creates by being such a threat. Teams often double up on him and then that gives the striker & the #10 more space. But Oscar and Willian and even Cesc are often not decisive enough. Thats why I think we are one player shy of becoming a team that can go on and win the Champions League. Maybe a player like Isco or Gotze. Certainly not Moses. We need ONE more world class player going forward. Eden is already the crown jewel we just need someone to carry the load with him.

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Can't say about Cazorla but you're massively underrating Silva. Look at how much City depend on him to perform, he certainly is their most important player.

City are absolutely shambles without Silva.

Biggest myth in football right now. Silva is easy on the eye but Yaya Toure and Aguero are the main men in that team. The most decisive and impactful players.

City's results without Toure last season.

Now City without their "most important player" which they would be a shambles without. As you can see they barely missed a beat without him.

Silva is a very good player but he's massively overrated by PL fans because of his obvious & attractive playing style. The criticisms usually leveled at Hazard should be aimed at Silva instead. I'd take about 7/8 #10's before I chose SIlva (and no Oscar isn't in there).

[Stats 7,225]

Silva is an excellent player but I don't think he is the same class as Hazard. Hazard has everything. Silva is good at passing and close ball control but does not have the acceleration with the ball Hazard has. For instance if Hazard and Silva swapped teams, I think City would be on another level. Hazard has vision, dribbling, great balance, can shoot with his left or right foot and just has everything in his locker. Silva on the other hand scored quite a few last season compared to previous ones but whereas I see Hazard being able to be a game changer, for instance with what he done against Arsenal and Barcelona where he beat 3-4 players and scored, I can't see Silva doing that. Because he is not a fast player and is not the type of player who can run past 3-4 players. He relies on his close ball control whereas Hazard has an excellent burst of acceleration that combines with his excellent close ball control. That being said both are great players but on individual ability, I just think Hazard has much more qualities than Silva.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Because scoring goals are what separated top wingers from just great wingers. No one is asking him to go out and bang in 40 goals like Neymar but like others said around 20 every season is something he should be aiming for. Atm he is around 15 goals and I believe half of that are pen, he is capable of hitting 20 every season now he is entering the peak of his career.

That is why Willian is often overlooked as if only he has contributed to something more substantial, he would be considered one of the best winger in the world but as it is he is just considered a good winger.

So Ronaldinho and Figo were not top wingers by your logic.