🇧🇪 Eden Hazard

[kellzfresh 7,229]

56 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

Am I the only one who would rather take James Rodriguez than Isco in exchange? Assuming that Bayern will not take their option to buy the Colombian (why would they, he sits on the bench a lot these days)

That is exactly who I want for our No. 8 role. He will be our ericson. Assist king, great crosser, set piece master and can shoot from long range. He has played that role under Ancelloti in madrid and got 15goals 15 assists in the league. He should be our No.1 target if Hazard leaves

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

59 minutes ago, !Hazard! said:

Am I the only one who would rather take James Rodriguez than Isco in exchange? Assuming that Bayern will not take their option to buy the Colombian (why would they, he sits on the bench a lot these days)

100%

Isco is less intelligent tactically and perhaps a bit more of a luxury player. Both great players but James on his day for me is better. Score, assist, good delivery from set plays, good shooter... 

[mccg 1,528]

SWAP DEAL 

Real Madrid to offer Marco Asensio or Isco to Chelsea in bid to reduce asking price for Eden Hazard

https://talksport.com/football/489456/real-madrid-marco-asensio-isco-chelsea-eden-hazard/

Real Madrid following 'Courtois Plan' to sign Eden Hazard

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/chelsea/transfer-talk/news/madrid-following-courtois-plan-to-sign-hazard_349507.html

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/758168/Chelsea-news-Real-Madrid-Eden-Hazard-Isco-Marco-Asensio-transfer-rumours-gossip?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-star-football+(Daily+Star+%3A%3A+Football+Feed)

[Unionjack 7,531]

56 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

100%

Isco is less intelligent tactically and perhaps a bit more of a luxury player. Both great players but James on his day for me is better. Score, assist, good delivery from set plays, good shooter... 

All well and good but Rodriguez isnt a LW an d we will be needing a replacement for him

Rodriguez is essentialy a CM

We have a few of them already.

We need a proper ACM

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

3 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

All well and good but Rodriguez isnt a LW an d we will be needing a replacement for him

Rodriguez is essentialy a CM

We have a few of them already.

We need a proper ACM

 

CHO and Pulisic to battle it out I suppose 

[Unionjack 7,531]

Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

CHO and Pulisic to battle it out I suppose 

CHOs not ready to start 100% and that leaves the other wing open that way.

We need to be getting rid of willian which leaves Pedro as 2nd back up to Pully and CHO.

Still leaves the LW bare tho.

Me. I think we need a few upgrades. Or players when Eden and CHO leave

LW,ST,AMC,LB,RN and we need to start progressively getting Ampadu and od AC ready to take over Luizs spot.

[Clockwork 1,794]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

100%

Isco is less intelligent tactically and perhaps a bit more of a luxury player. Both great players but James on his day for me is better. Score, assist, good delivery from set plays, good shooter... 

Most would characterize James as a luxury player and less intelligent tactically between the two. Isco is a proper midfielder with a better work rate. Biggest reason why Zidane didn't rate James was due to his tactical intelligence and work rate. 

Between the two i would take Isco, especially in midfield. I still rate James though. 

[MoroccanBlue 5,382]

The midfield needs end product or else it would be incredibly redundant. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

5 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

The midfield needs end product or else it would be incredibly redundant. 

This. If we take a player from Real in Edens position it should be someone who can match Eden's numbers. And that is not Asensio, Isco or Kovacic who are all Mr. NoGoals and we should stay clear of those. If we are looking for a midfielder it should be assessed independently of the Hazard deal if we actually need the player but in general RM players are overpriced so i would rather take cash.

 

In the future I wish that we sell players sooner if they are reluctant to sign new deals, so we can get long term replacements in early. 

[Vesper 30,175]

30 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

This. If we take a player from Real in Edens position it should be someone who can match Eden's numbers. And that is not Asensio, Isco or Kovacic who are all Mr. NoGoals and we should stay clear of those. If we are looking for a midfielder it should be assessed independently of the Hazard deal if we actually need the player but in general RM players are overpriced so i would rather take cash.

 

In the future I wish that we sell players sooner if they are reluctant to sign new deals, so we can get long term replacements in early. 

My prediction is they offer £50m plus Kovacic. We tell them £100m plus Kovacic.

They say, oki, we take him on a free next summer, we cave in and take £75m plus Kovacic.

Spend £50m of that on Lozano

Try and fail on Sarabia, end up desperation buy of £60m for James (from Real after Bayern further fucks us by not activation their £39.5m buy option) or £60m for Fekir

hopefully sell Morata for 40m

take the Bats and Bakayoko sale money and spend it all on Callum Wilson.

Sell Zappa and emerso, promote Reece and buy Rogerio for Juve (so a wash on Emerson) Sell van Ginkle for 10m

Buy Ake to replace Luiz, who walks on a free and signs a 3 or 4 year deal with PSG.

Thats it for buys

and then the board says, LOOK we just fucking spent £80m net (due to counting Pulisic)

so all you bitches best STFU

leaving us with

GK Kepa

GK Willie

GK Bulka or Green (HG)

CB Rudiger

CB Ake (HG)

CB AC (HG)

CB Ampadu (HG)

LB Alonso

LB Rogerio  (most likely as Juve offered him and they want Emerson)

RB Azpi

RB Reece James (HG)

DH DMF Jorginho

DH DMF Kovacic

CMF Kante

CMF RLC (HG)

CMF Drinkwater (HG)

AMF James Rodriguez (or Fekir)

AMF Barkley (HG)

LW  Hirving Lozano

LW Willian

RW Pulisic

RW Pedro

CF Higs

CF Wilson (HG)

CF Giroud

 

HAPPPY DAYS   NOT!

and forget the luxury AMF if the Baka or Bats or  Morata  (or combo) sales go south

[Vesper 30,175]

3 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Depends where the funds are going. 

Pepe and Isco + a striker should be utilised from Hazard's funds alone. 

Pepe, Isco, and a striker (say £50m to £100m so I will say 65m as a compromise) would cost well over £200m. We will get Kovacic and £50m to 75m MAX for Eden from RM.

Call it £160m net spend.

We also have to buy a CB to replace Luiz if he walks on a free (which he is insane to NIT do as tgere are 10 teams who will multiyear him). He needs to go anyway. He is shit at defending.

Ake will be £40m. Better ones far more. We will grab Ake I say.

Thats £260m net spend (counting Pulisic)

Morata, Bats, Baka sakes will generate £100m if we are lucky.

Call Emerson for Rogerio at LB a wash money wise.

Stop any more buys or big sales (except say 10m for van Ginkel, thats it as Drinkwater salary bollocks up that)

No more CB, no more Fullbacks or MF or winger buys.

Thats £150m net spend. And thats IF those sales go through.

Do you think the board will drop £150m more in net? That will push our rolling 12 month net transfer spending close to £250m. £210m net IF we sell CHO, but then we need to buy another winger, lets say we spend the same, so still £250m net for the year.

Bear in mind we have averaged £37m net per year for the last 14 years.

The more I game all this out, the worse I feel. Insanely poor choices. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

My prediction is they offer £50m plus Kovacic. We tell them £100m plus Kovacic.

They say, oki, we take him on a free next summer, we cave in and take £75m plus Kovacic.

Spend £50m of that on Lozano

Try and fail on Sarabia, end up desperation buy of £60m for James (from Real after Bayern further fucks us by not activation their £39.5m buy option) or £60m for Fekir

hopefully sell Morata for 40m

take the Bats and Bakayoko sale money and spend it all on Callum Wilson.

Sell Zappa and emerso, promote Reece and buy Rogerio for Juve (so a wash on Emerson) Sell van Ginkle for 10m

Buy Ake to replace Luiz, who walks on a free and signs a 3 or 4 year deal with PSG.

Thats it for buys

and then the board says, LOOK we just fucking spent £80m net (due to counting Pulisic)

so all you bitches best STFU

leaving us with

GK Kepa

GK Willie

GK Bulka or Green (HG)

CB Rudiger

CB Ake (HG)

CB AC (HG)

CB Ampadu (HG)

LB Alonso

LB Rogerio  (most likely as Juve offered him and they want Emerson)

RB Azpi

RB Reece James (HG)

DH DMF Jorginho

DH DMF Kovacic

CMF Kante

CMF RLC (HG)

CMF Drinkwater (HG)

AMF James Rodriguez (or Fekir)

AMF Barkley (HG)

LW  Hirving Lozano

LW Willian

RW Pulisic

RW Pedro

CF Higs

CF Wilson (HG)

CF Giroud

 

HAPPPY DAYS   NOT!

and forget the luxury AMF if the Baka or Bats or  Morata  (or combo) sales go south

Doesnn't fill me with excitement but a couple make me at leastt nod and smile.

[Jase 43,479]

 

 

[Vesper 30,175]

3 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Doesnn't fill me with excitement but a couple make me at leastt nod and smile.

AMF James Rodriguez (or Fekir)

LW  Hirving Lozano

none of those are going to be easy pulls

shit tonne of other teams all over them for sure

Ancelotti was no fool dumping Jorginho and no other team on planet would have paid what we did for Kepa

Giroud and Emerson, LOL BUSTS, £35m  (plus salary) worth

Pulisic, well, remains to be seen

the total gross spent was was over £215m

those have been our only 5 'successful' buys (meaning deals got done) in last 3 windows, with a huge amount of fails on top

I ran the numbers on another thread, and if you are talking Isco, Pepe and Wilson (FORGET ICARDI OR WERNER!) plus Luiz replacement (I said Akefor £40m, but any other established great CB will be a shit tonne more)

that kicks our net spend (IF we sell Bats, Baka, and Morata for £100m)

to over £ 250m for just winter and summer 2019 

that's counting selling Eden btw and getting Kovacic and around £75m cash

I don't see it happening unless we liquidate serious deadwood and loan army scraps

he couldn't even sell Cahill or Drinkwater or a bunch of others, ffs, IN JANUARY, the ultimate sellers market

I smell desperation LW buy coming of dregs like

Hakan Calhanoglu

or
Stephan El Shaarawy   

BOTH SHIT

or someone like that

if we fail on the top class wingers

or we say, fuck it, let him walk on a free in 2020 and keep CHO

leaving us a winger crew of

Willian

Pedro

Pulisic

CHO
  

and RLC (emergency option)

CHO will freak out, I can see big troubles with him if we do not sell in summer

 

best option would be to tell Real that its Vinicius Jr plus £50m for Eden or fuck off

we dont need Kovacic, there are 30 other CMF's we can buy

massively talented LWers are way more rare, as in maybe 12-15 (and some of those are players like Neymar, Mbappe, Dembele, Insigne, Sane, etc, ie. impossibles)

[Superblue 6,372]

I'm not opposed to Real Madrid players being included in a deal for Hazard but I'd rather Chelsea negotiated a loan deal for a player like Isco or Asensio with an agreed option to buy. It would act as a sweetener to reduce the fee a little for Hazard and they would recoup some decent money back if we took up the option but it would give us the opportunity to see how either would adapt first to the Premier League. I think Isco could be well suited potentially. I'm less sure of Asensio adjusting to the league but I think if a manager brought out the best in him he could have a better upside.

Whilst I think Kovacic has been ok, he's hardly lit the Bridge up and I think if we had paid £50m+ in the summer for him, we'd be looking at that now unsure if he was really worth such an investment. Whether he ends up staying or not, I actually think taking him on loan was good business.

[Nicco 927]

James is a better at scoring but he has walkabouts more so than Isco and is very slow . Honesty I'd get Isco and play him in middle 3 with Jorginho and Kante

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

5 hours ago, Clockwork said:

Most would characterize James as a luxury player and less intelligent tactically between the two. Isco is a proper midfielder with a better work rate. Biggest reason why Zidane didn't rate James was due to his tactical intelligence and work rate. 

Between the two i would take Isco, especially in midfield. I still rate James though. 

And for exactly the same reasons Benitez and the current Real boss dont rate Isco.

James showed under Ancelotti and for Colombia he is more than hard working enough. He is more suited to playing as an advanced 8 than Isco for me.

Isco a great player but again, I consider him more luxury than James. Plus James end product is better.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

6 hours ago, Unionjack said:

All well and good but Rodriguez isnt a LW an d we will be needing a replacement for him

Rodriguez is essentialy a CM

We have a few of them already.

We need a proper ACM

 

He can play asn an 8 or a 10. Much better output than Kovacic in the final third.

[Unionjack 7,531]

5 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

but I'd rather Chelsea negotiated a loan deal for a player like Isco or Asensio

How many players of this caliber do you see going on loan? And top it off to Chelsea on loan? I would presume like some actors dont need to go for auditions.

But I'm sure someone will know those figures.

4 hours ago, Nicco said:

James is a better at scoring but he has walkabouts more so than Isco and is very slow . Honesty I'd get Isco and play him in middle 3 with Jorginho and Kante

I like Isco and made no secret about it. tho I have to admit his numbers are not what we need right now so I would not put him at the top of my wants list

My first choice would be Fekier. But this would only solve our ACM issue  -  but do it well.

We would stll need a LW.

OR A RW and put Pully on LW. which LOOKS an easier job with more options.

[Superblue 6,372]

8 hours ago, Unionjack said:

How many players of this caliber do you see going on loan? And top it off to Chelsea on loan? I would presume like some actors dont need to go for auditions.

But I'm sure someone will know those figures.

Not many but two big examples include Madrid - James and Kovacic.

Like Kovacic it may be a mutually beneficial deal for both parties. Asensio and Isco would very well be in a similar position to that which Kovacic was in last summer, and as a result may want to move for regular football but be unsure walking away entirely from Madrid. For us in turn it would be good seeing if a player like the above would adapt well to the Premier League. The success of Spaniards in the league has been rather mixed and I would rather we did everything we could to prevent another Morata-esque situation!