Wishlist Hulk

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

Just had a quick catchup with this thread and am shocked at how many people actually believe we will pay £38M for Hulk.

[Superblue 6,372]

I do deny it and it's very easy. Chelsea have spent what, 175M on 11 players in the past two seasons? Only one of them is a bona fide core player (Mata) while Luiz, Cahill and Ramires are useful players. The others it either remains to be seen or have been flops. Manchester City has spent about 197M in the past two years and they got Ya Ya Toure, Silva, Nasri, Aguero, Balotelli, Milner, Dzeko, and Clichy. That''s a hell of a lot better than what we've got for 12% less spending. Manchester United spent about 75M and got Kagawa, Javier Hernandez, De Gea, Ashley Young, Smalling, and Phil Jones.

And I'm sorry, saying Luiz has been a class defender has got to be a joke. He was much better under RDM, but Luiz was a disaster before that. It wasn't just a mistake here or there like what happens with all defenders, it was Luiz consistently being completely out of position. I don't know how many times I yelled at the screen "Where the F*** are you going?" at Luiz because he was wandering far up the left side or or just standing there as his defender ran by him or standing 15 feet away from where he should have been. Not just that, but Luiz made a lot of stupid choices, lunging for defenders, giving away free kicks and even penalties when he had position and he only needed to stand his ground. Not just that, but his passing was way too ambitious. Instead of playing the ball to Mikel or Lampard, he kept trying and failing to hit 50 yard passes. His decision making and his positioning were awful.I know he's got great hair and is good at going forward and he seems like a really nice guy, but he's been incredible mediocre at Chelsea and not worth anything close to what we paid for him. Gary Neville's "he's like a 10 year old playing playstation" is about how Luiz played under Ancelotti and AVB. That said, I do have hope for him with a coach that tells him he has to stay put like RDM seemed to last season, but we paid world-class defender money for him. As for Barca, I think he'd actually be really good there as he loves to go forward and that fits into the way they play. Also, they basically never give up possession so defenders don't really have to defend much. In England, it's the opposite. Being a top defender is almost all about positioning and making good choices and going forward as a defender is a small part of the game.

I said this earlier in this thread yesterday because I know it would be the same with Hulk. Torres and Luiz are easily the two most overrated players on Chelsea for what they have actually brought the team and it's the whole image thing. If a player has a strong image, fans will love them.

There are so many examples of Luiz making a complete mess of it, but one of the lesser-known ones that I think is a good example was Stracqualursi's goal to make it 2-0 Everton.There was a 50-50 in midfield and the ball comes to Landon Donovan on the right side. Instead of standing his ground, Luiz comes out about 25 yards and to the left of the box putting himself in an awful position. Then, instead of trying to play Donovan and forcing him wide or back, he tries to kick at the ball. Donovan goes right by him and Luiz is left standing there. Ivanvovic is trying to cut down the angle but it's impossible because Everton now have two attackers in space. Donovan plays a ball into a streaking Stracqualursi who is right where Luiz should have been and he scores. Luiz is 20 yards from the play. It's the trifecta combination of poor positioning, poor decision making, and poor execution.

This thread had gone massively off topic. I think the general consensus is that most people, including me, would agree with you toronto - hulk is overpriced at £38m.

Yes he's unproven in a stronger league but many would argue that he has the attributes to give him a good chance of succeeding and at his age should be or near his prime.

It is widely agreed that we need a RW and hulk is arguably the best RW seemingly available this summer. That is why hulk is my first choice. If the club decide they can afford over £30m then great, because he could be a great addition to the squad. However if the club feel priced out of a move then i'll support that we're not going to be bullied into overpaying or a bidding war and hope we find an alternative.

[BLionheart 516]

Barcelona lost because they got unlucky and they couldn't finish not because they didn't have a plan B. If we played those two matches 100 times, Barca would have gone through at least 95 of them. They lost in Spain because Real Madrid is an amazing team. They don't need to change anything to continue their success. Secondly, you do need physicality in England, but you need it only in certain positions. You need it central defence, defensive and/or central midfield and maybe at striker if you want to play a physical attacking game. Having physicality at wingers is fine, but it's a not a major component of the game. You're not going to win because your wingers are physical. The physical nature of the game comes in fairly static positions where players are fighting for a little extra space which are in central midfield and striker versus central defender. Battles on the wings are won by positioning, speed, and footwork. . If strength were important on the wings, then coaches would put strong players on the wings. They don't. Pedro, Mata, Silva, and Navas are all 5'7". Alexis is 5'6".etc... Third, paying 38M for a player so we can beat Stoke? We haven't lost to Stoke since they've been in the Premier League.

• Barce must change or they will decline , teams now has an idea of how to face them and adding some physicality to win more aerial battles and gain some extra space in the final third is needed
  
• Hulk if bought will be used centrally as a back-up for Torres as he will be our most physical senior CF.
  
• If you think adding physicality on the wings is not needed , you should watch Valencia ( one of Man utd best players last year ) and Hulk more.
  
• I think you should read my first post again , you might understand that i never said that we should buy Hulk just for his physicality , his pace , goal threat and unique game are main assets to have.
  
• I would rather have 2 great wingers with different games than 2 superb wingers with the same attributes and game-play.
  
• We have always had very strong players like Drogba , Malouda , Anelka to match the stoke physically and my biggest problem is not how to beat stoke , it was an example !! you get the idea of using examples right ??
  

[themightyblue 443]

Can't believe what i've just read about Luiz and Hulk....

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

This thread had gone massively off topic. I think the general consensus is that most people, including me, would agree with you toronto - hulk is overpriced at £38m.

Yes he's unproven in a stronger league but many would argue that he has the attributes to give him a good chance of succeeding and at his age should be or near his prime.

It is widely agreed that we need a RW and hulk is arguably the best RW seemingly available this summer. That is why hulk is my first choice. If the club decide they can afford over £30m then great, because he could be a great addition to the squad. However if the club feel priced out of a move then i'll support that we're not going to be bullied into overpaying or a bidding war and hope we find an alternative.

Agreed. The Guardian reported Chelsea offered 30M for Hulk which is in the realm of reasonable. If Porto accept that, then great. If not, as you say, time to move on.

[Kisho 33]

We need a Rw and Cf and hulk is both. I f we get him he will provide squad depth to those positions. Top teams need depth, I wanna win cups and the league not one at the expense of the other. chelsea offer 30mil and porto want 38 mil so just give 35 mil and be done, even though i agree the extra 5 mil will be for the name hulk. Please lets just remember that it is not our money so please dont catch hissy fits. Hulk is an absolutley perfect fit for chelsea, period. In order for us to be a force to be reckoned with in football we need:

Rw/cf - Hulk

Cm- sahin or moutinho or modric ( i prefer sahin)

Rb - azpilicueta

Robby did say 3 players when chelsea announced him as permanent manager

I'm all for alternative players with the same or better skill level but please dont try and suggest players that are cheaper but are less skillful, we not bulding the most cost effective team, we trying to build a team that will be able to conquer europe and win the league

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Robby did say 3 players when chelsea announced him as permanent manager

Where? I don't recall that.

[themightyblue 443]

Seems like Porto are close to finalising Jackson Martinez. Could pave the way for Hulk, who knows

[Pizy 18,453]

Making the rounds on twitter:

[The Skipper 20,593]

Making the rounds on twitter:

Is that just a magnificent piece of photoshop or?

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

Is that just a magnificent piece of photoshop or?

It's real.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

Hulk signing a chels shirt......its definite them lol

[We Hate Scouse 10,287]

Might put a photo up of myself signing one of my Chelsea shirts, everyone will think I've signed so Chelsea will have no choice but to sign me....

[Marvin123 485]

he wouldnt do this if he didnt think or know he was going to be a chelsea player?

and is that a number aswell??

[Jype 6,398]

Didn't Modric sign a couple Chelsea shirts as well last summer? Doesn't mean anything yet.

[Funkyflashman 187]

This just means the kid had a chelsea shirt and wanted it signed, it DOES NOT mean anything. Christ alive there is nothing to read into here

[AGD 7]

This just means the kid had a chelsea shirt and wanted it signed, it DOES NOT mean anything. Christ alive there is nothing to read into here

Or is there...?

[OneMoSalah 8,797]

he wouldnt do this if he didnt think or know he was going to be a chelsea player?

and is that a number aswell??

He put "Hulk 12".

Also I doubt that basically confirms he's a Chelsea player, when the club comes out and says we've purchased him for 38 million I'll believe it, in fact it better fucking not be 38 million...