Wishlist Hulk

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A valid point? Oh cut it...I see the Hazard and potential Hulk deal has made you guys gone mad and spoiled.

Hazard - Mata - Ramires/Sturridge is more than good enough to win the league and more. If not, then please do tell me why.

2 words. Defensive responsibilities. i can already visualise getting ripped apart at swansea with that team

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Cons:

1) 38 M is ridiculous for a player with Hulk's pedigree.This would be one of the most expensive players ever. We just paid 32M in a bidding war for Hazard who was far more sought after than Hulk.We paid 23.5M for Mata who was 5 years younger and had a better pedigree than Hulk.

2) The signing doesn't address Chelsea's major need of a striker to replace Drogba.

3) Hulk, like every player, has major flaws in his game. He doesn't always track back defensively and he takes a lot of optimistic shots.

4) The fan's reaction to Hulk A). Already, I see so much of "Hulk is a fabulous player"...based on what? How many people on here have watched Hulk for more than a few meaningless games?You're telling me that we have tons of fans of the Portuguese league on here? While there are some who may have watched Hulk plenty, I am positive that the vast majority of people saying "he's world class" are doing so primarily from youtube videos and playing with him in FIFA. This not a Hulk thing specifically. It's people pretending they watch 50 football matches a week or something and are able to have informed opinions of players playing in Portugal, France, Holland, Belgium, Spain,Scottish second division, etc...or that they can make informed decisions on players after watching a couple of matches. You've seen it already-the "Hulk smash" and "The Avengers" memes. I don't want a Chelsea marketing product, I want Chelsea players. I already look on Chelsea boards and see Torres as the most common avatar (maybe second after Drogba) and it's shocking. David Luiz's popularity has also greatly outstripped his actual contribution to the club. The same thing will happen with Hulk.I want Chelsea players to be popular because of what they do for Chelsea, not because of their image.

so you're trying to say that you have an informed opinion that hulk's not good?

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My Pros and cons for Hulk:

1) Would give Chelsea a natural RW who wants to play there.

2) Hulk is very skilled player with a fabulous left foot.

3) Hulk can be very creative both with passing and with skill moves.

4) Hulk is not a good CF, but can cover there if needed.

Cons:

1) 38 M is ridiculous for a player with Hulk's pedigree.This would be one of the most expensive players ever. We just paid 32M in a bidding war for Hazard who was far more sought after than Hulk.We paid 23.5M for Mata who was 5 years younger and had a better pedigree than Hulk.

2) The signing doesn't address Chelsea's major need of a striker to replace Drogba.

3) Hulk, like every player, has major flaws in his game. He doesn't always track back defensively and he takes a lot of optimistic shots.

4) The fan's reaction to Hulk A). Already, I see so much of "Hulk is a fabulous player"...based on what? How many people on here have watched Hulk for more than a few meaningless games?You're telling me that we have tons of fans of the Portuguese league on here? While there are some who may have watched Hulk plenty, I am positive that the vast majority of people saying "he's world class" are doing so primarily from youtube videos and playing with him in FIFA. This not a Hulk thing specifically. It's people pretending they watch 50 football matches a week or something and are able to have informed opinions of players playing in Portugal, France, Holland, Belgium, Spain,Scottish second division, etc...or that they can make informed decisions on players after watching a couple of matches. You've seen it already-the "Hulk smash" and "The Avengers" memes. I don't want a Chelsea marketing product, I want Chelsea players. I already look on Chelsea boards and see Torres as the most common avatar (maybe second after Drogba) and it's shocking. David Luiz's popularity has also greatly outstripped his actual contribution to the club. The same thing will happen with Hulk.I want Chelsea players to be popular because of what they do for Chelsea, not because of their image.

There are a few things you got wrong in there. Firstly we bought Mata when he was 23, not when he was 5 years younger than Hulk (Hulk is 25+). And i don't think Chelsea are trying to replace Drogba with any player, maybe we are looking for a backup for Torres incase he doesnot get better but that is it. You don't need to watch 50 matches a week to know how good a player is- just watch most of his games It makes no sense that a club would go after a player only for marketing reasons (that too 35 million +) that point is just absurd.

I think Hulk would be a great addition to Chelsea, only Hulk needs to grow a pair and hand in a transfer request .

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Pros:

-Powerful winger

-Might be decent backup for ST.

Cons:

-Porto want 38 million

-Pretty average in terms of ability

-Already 25, won't really improve much.

-Looks great against in an inferior league..half the LB's in that league are like Bosingwa.

This is the most stupid thing I've read in a while. Average in terms of ability? Nonsense. He's a very good player. He's also built for the EPL. 25 and won't improve much? How about David Silva? Stop talking nonsense.

[Sheva. 5,373]

2 words. Defensive responsibilities. i can already visualise getting ripped apart at swansea with that team

Ripped apart with Hazard-Mata-Ramires, seriously?!

That imo is our most balanced option, at least you know Ramires will do his job defensively and will also be an outlet on the counter.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

so you're trying to say that you have an informed opinion that hulk's not good?

No. I don't think anybody would say that Hulk is not good, but I have seen Hulk play about 20 games and I have an informed opinion that 38M is a ridiculous fee for him. That's the type of price you pay for an international star and Hulk is nowhere near that level.

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There are a few things you got wrong in there. Firstly we bought Mata when he was 23, not when he was 5 years younger than Hulk (Hulk is 25+). And i don't think Chelsea are trying to replace Drogba with any player, maybe we are looking for a backup for Torres incase he doesnot get better but that is it. You don't need to watch 50 matches a week to know how good a player is- just watch most of his games It makes no sense that a club would go after a player only for marketing reasons (that too 35 million +) that point is just absurd.

I think Hulk would be a great addition to Chelsea, only Hulk needs to grow a pair and hand in a transfer request .

Sorry, 3 years younger than Hulk who will be 26 next month. I never said that Chelsea were going after Hulk for marketing reasons, just that the reaction to Hulk is as a product. (And yes, marketing does figure into team's buys). And you're telling me you've watched most of Hulk's games? If you're Portuguese, I understand, if you're not, I just don't buy it. Most of us watch Chelsea, watch some other big Premier League matches, we watch our local leagues if we live abroad, and we watch other big matches (CL, El Classico, Milan Derby, etc...) Just that is an an insane amount of time spent on watching football. The amount of time you have to spend on football in order to regularly watch other leagues is ridiculous. You would have to have absolutely no life at all. It takes a lot of work and re-doing your life's schedule to watch just Chelsea play every game. Add to that the fact that Chelsea play their games at the same time as a lot of other teams (including Porto), it means you'd have to find a taped copy of all the other leagues's games.

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Sorry, 3 years younger than Hulk who will be 26 next month. I never said that Chelsea were going after Hulk for marketing reasons, just that the reaction to Hulk is as a product. (And yes, marketing does figure into team's buys). And you're telling me you've watched most of Hulk's games? If you're Portuguese, I understand, if you're not, I just don't buy it. Most of us watch Chelsea, watch some other big Premier League matches, we watch our local leagues if we live abroad, and we watch other big matches (CL, El Classico, Milan Derby, etc...) Just that is an an insane amount of time spent on watching football. The amount of time you have to spend on football in order to regularly watch other leagues is ridiculous. You would have to have absolutely no life at all. It takes a lot of work and re-doing your life's schedule to watch just Chelsea play every game. Add to that the fact that Chelsea play their games at the same time as a lot of other teams (including Porto), it means you'd have to find a taped copy of all the other leagues's games.

You have misunderstood ..I've never claimed that i've followed Hulk's games, some of the members in the forum may have or may not have.. but there are no 50 games a week to watch . It should not even be a point to state that a club may be going for a player (costing so much) for marketing purposes (why put it as a point if you dont believe it?)

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No. I don't think anybody would say that Hulk is not good, but I have seen Hulk play about 20 games and I have an informed opinion that 38M is a ridiculous fee for him. That's the type of price you pay for an international star and Hulk is nowhere near that level.

maybe Chelsea aren't willing to pay 38 which is delaying the deal.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

This is the most stupid thing I've read in a while. Average in terms of ability? Nonsense. He's a very good player. He's also built for the EPL. 25 and won't improve much? How about David Silva? Stop talking nonsense.

Calling Hulk average is ridiculous, but I think David Silva is an interesting comp.. Silva was 24 when he first played for City, Hulk will be 26 next month. Not a huge difference, but a difference. Silva had had 4 years of success playing in one of the best leagues in the world. Hulk has had two playing in a lesser league. Silva was already a key member in the best national team in the world at a position of incredible depth. He didn't play much in the World Cup, but he was starting for Spain throughout the Euros in 2008. Hulk has not played a single game in a major tournament for Brasil. Now, the biggest difference: Silva was sold for 24M. If Chelsea buy Hulk for 24M even though he was a worse pedigree, I don't think anybody would complain. It's the insane costs seemingly being discussed that make the deal so ridiculous.

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I think a lot of people are missing the point behind our real interest in Hulk , it's not just that he is one of the best RWs all over the world , in fact with this squad i would choose Hulk over Di Maria , Sanchez , Robben and many other superb RWs because we already have some very good technical players and great talents (Hazard - Mata - Marin - Sturridge) , between them and Torres they can offer a variety of Technical abilities , Great passing , Pace and lots of creativity but they are all small built players that lacks the physical strengths that sometimes decides games that power and strength that CFC is known of .

Hulk is the only RW that will contribute a lot to team and add another dimension to our game , he will add Strength , Power , Directness , Long shots and more goals to this team , we don't wanna have too many similar players who are great technically but might end up choking and finding no outlets against the likes of stoke due to inability to match their physicalty .

The greatest team in recent history Barcelone has suffered from not having plan B , their lacking of another dimension , of a less technical player but more powerful and effecient player has huanted them and i don't wanna have that next year.

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Just passing

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I hate this transfers sagas...

Just to decide: Yes Or Not!

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

I think a lot of people are missing the point behind our real interest in Hulk , it's not just that he is one of the best RWs all over the world , in fact with this squad i would choose Hulk over Di Maria , Sanchez , Robben and many other superb RWs because we already have some very good technical players and great talents (Hazard - Mata - Marin - Sturridge) , between them and Torres they can offer a variety of Technical abilities , Great passing , Pace and lots of creativity but they are all small built players that lacks the physical strengths that sometimes decides games that power and strength that CFC is known of .

Hulk is the only RW that will contribute a lot to team and add another dimension to our game , he will add Strength , Power , Directness , Long shots and more goals to this team , we don't wanna have too many similar players who are great technically but might end up choking and finding no outlets against the likes of stoke due to inability to match their physicalty .

The greatest team in recent history Barcelone has suffered from not having plan B , their lacking of another dimension , of a less technical player but more powerful and effecient player has huanted them and i don't wanna have that next year.

Barcelona lost because they got unlucky and they couldn't finish not because they didn't have a plan B. If we played those two matches 100 times, Barca would have gone through at least 95 of them. They lost in Spain because Real Madrid is an amazing team. They don't need to change anything to continue their success. Secondly, you do need physicality in England, but you need it only in certain positions. You need it central defence, defensive and/or central midfield and maybe at striker if you want to play a physical attacking game. Having physicality at wingers is fine, but it's a not a major component of the game. You're not going to win because your wingers are physical. The physical nature of the game comes in fairly static positions where players are fighting for a little extra space which are in central midfield and striker versus central defender. Battles on the wings are won by positioning, speed, and footwork. . If strength were important on the wings, then coaches would put strong players on the wings. They don't. Pedro, Mata, Silva, and Navas are all 5'7". Alexis is 5'6".etc... Third, paying 38M for a player so we can beat Stoke? We haven't lost to Stoke since they've been in the Premier League.

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Barcelona lost because they got unlucky and they couldn't finish not because they didn't have a plan B. If we played those two matches 100 times, Barca would have gone through at least 95 of them. They lost in Spain because Real Madrid is an amazing team. They don't need to change anything to continue their success. Secondly, you do need physicality in England, but you need it only in certain positions. You need it central defence, defensive and/or central midfield and maybe at striker if you want to play a physical attacking game. Having physicality at wingers is fine, but it's a not a major component of the game. You're not going to win because your wingers are physical. The physical nature of the game comes in fairly static positions where players are fighting for a little extra space which are in central midfield and striker versus central defender. Battles on the wings are won by positioning, speed, and footwork. . If strength were important on the wings, then coaches would put strong players on the wings. They don't. Pedro, Mata, Silva, and Navas are all 5'7". Alexis is 5'6".etc... Third, paying 38M for a player so we can beat Stoke? We haven't lost to Stoke since they've been in the Premier League.

Agree with the majority of the above but having an explosive winger like Hulk (if he really is an explosive winger) can help. You only need to look at the recent battles between Ashley Cole and Antonio Valencia to see how strength and speed can be an advantage.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Agree with the majority of the above but having an explosive winger like Hulk (if he really is an explosive winger) can help. You only need to look at the recent battles between Ashley Cole and Antonio Valencia to see how strength and speed can be an advantage.

Speed is a huge advantage at winger...It's a must at the position. Strength is not a drawback anywhere, but for a winger, to me it's like having a defender who can take shots from distance. Sure, it's fine, but it's a minor aspect of the position. (Behind things like speed, endurance, passing, finishing, etc...) If you're a striker, you can use your strength to hold off a defender with your back to the goal to get into a better position. If you're a defender and you're strong, you can stand your ground and force the striker into a worse position. You generally don't have those types of positions as fullbacks or wingers. When you get the ball on the wing, it is almost always in some space and usually with forward momentum. Defenders will try to keep the wingers from getting into good positions to pass or score which means cutting certain angles out. They'll try to force them wide and maybe out for a throw. Or, they'll try to close off any forward pass and to try to force the winger to pass back into their own half. They are rarely going to directly attack the winger because it's too risky.

Physical battles can happen on the wings but they are rare and they usually are, like the Coentrao/Jiracek battle from a couple of days ago, more chippy than anything. You mention Ashley Cole and Cole has been one of the best LBs ever and is quite a small guy. It's rare to find big fullbacks or wingers. I'm not saying that physicality is useless as a winger, just that it's a pretty minor advantage. (Hulk has skills that are much more relevant to the position-speed, creativity, a great shot)

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Ripped apart with Hazard-Mata-Ramires, seriously?!

That imo is our most balanced option, at least you know Ramires will do his job defensively and will also be an outlet on the counter.

for eg - valencia and Nani will double-team and rip Cole apart if Hazard is not tracking back. last season we had 2 lines of 4 players defending because of the lack of speed in our defence (lampard, mikel, terry all slow) now if we play attacking wingers, the midfield will be easily exposed . that's the basis for my ripped apart comment.

di matteo has to tinker with his team according to the situation. so it wont be one basic line up with players rotating in and out but rather a team picked to suit the situation

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No. I don't think anybody would say that Hulk is not good, but I have seen Hulk play about 20 games and I have an informed opinion that 38M is a ridiculous fee for him. That's the type of price you pay for an international star and Hulk is nowhere near that level.

as i have already said, Hulk is NOT WORTH 38million but it is porto's evaluation of the player. i would rather have us sign Hulk than a cheaper option like Adam Johnson or Milos Krasic. We have already got Marin and one of de bruyne or benayoun as replacements for kalouda.