David Luiz

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Over the past year, David Luiz has been our best and most consistent defender. That's not even debatable, it's not an opinion, it's fact.

It was one bad game, people!

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:40, The Skipper said:

It's absolutely ridiculous to blame the goals we conceded versus both teams completely on Luiz, that's my point.

Okay, I can accept that he could've done better on both goals but to completely ignore his performances in both games (which were both pretty decent) and to say that based on one proper bad game in a long time that we should've sold him to Barcelona is ridiculous.

whats the point of a great performance after giving away a goal? the everton goal was a poor mistake, an amateurish mistake of trying to steal the ball with mikel and schurlle around the everton player and then leaving his position. the everton goal was his mistake.

the norwich goal is a bad example of what i want to say. luiz giftts goal to the opposition. the norich goal was an acceptable mistake where he probably dint expect the ball from van wolsddjsdjsh (whatever). and so he was a second slower to react. but the everton goal and today's goal are literal gifts to the opposition which adds even more pressure to an already extremely pressurised MID.

also how does seling luiz to barca for 35 frigging million become such a TABOO that u r reacting this way. for 35 mil we can probably get hummels+subotic.also u r reacting as if luiz is irreplacable or something, i dont think thats the case in any way.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:43, zolayes said:

NOW you really have lost the plot ,,every 2 or 3 games ,,,,give it a rest ,, normally I like most of your posts ,,but this time you are way OTT

well, u wanted DD to be sold (even joking about such a thing is considered BLASPHEMY in my mind), so i introduced a bit of an exagerration .

[Dion 2,476]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:49, didierforever said:

whats the point of a great performance after giving away a goal? the everton goal was a poor mistake, an amateurish mistake of trying to steal the ball with mikel and schurlle around the everton player and then leaving his position. the everton goal was his mistake.

the norwich goal is a bad example of what i want to say. luiz giftts goal to the opposition. the norich goal was an acceptable mistake where he probably dint expect the ball from van wolsddjsdjsh (whatever). and so he was a second slower to react. but the everton goal and today's goal are literal gifts to the opposition which adds even more pressure to an already extremely pressurised MID.

also how does seling luiz to barca for 35 frigging million become such a TABOO that u r reacting this way. for 35 mil we can probably get hummels+subotic.also u r reacting as if luiz is irreplacable or something, i dont think thats the case in any way.

Why would we want Hummels and Subotic when Luiz has been outperforming both of them since last year?

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:52, Dion said:

Why would we want Hummels and Subotic when Luiz has been outperforming both of them since last year?

wow... luiz has been outperforming the CL finalists darkhorses. also i would say one of the best CB pair in the world, right now!!! (cant think of any other better)

[Dion 2,476]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:54, didierforever said:

wow... luiz has been outperforming the CL finalists darkhorses. also i would say one of the best CB pair in the world, right now!!! (cant think of any other better)

Maybe we should sell all our players and buy Borussia team, they were the CL finalists afterall.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:49, didierforever said:

whats the point of a great performance after giving away a goal? the everton goal was a poor mistake, an amateurish mistake of trying to steal the ball with mikel and schurlle around the everton player and then leaving his position. the everton goal was his mistake.

So the bad pass from Cech is ignored, the mis-control from Ramires is ignored, the fact that JT lost his man and left Ivanovic with even more on his plate is ignored... It was a bad team goal, and it really is ridiculous to blame the whole goal on Luiz. You obviously have some sort of hatred for him.

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:49, didierforever said:

the norwich goal is a bad example of what i want to say. luiz giftts goal to the opposition. the norich goal was an acceptable mistake where he probably dint expect the ball from van wolsddjsdjsh (whatever). and so he was a second slower to react. but the everton goal and today's goal are literal gifts to the opposition which adds even more pressure to an already extremely pressurised MID.

Bollocks, sorry. Okay in the last few games Luiz could've done better but before that you're going to have to go a long way back before finding Luiz gifting the opposition goals. If Luiz was such a liability and if he was so bad today why didn't Jose take him off? Why didn't Jose just shift Ivanovic to CB and throw on Azpilicueta? Why did Benitez say Luiz is one of the best CBs in the world?

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also how does seling luiz to barca for 35 frigging million become such a TABOO that u r reacting this way. for 35 mil we can probably get hummels+subotic.also u r reacting as if luiz is irreplacable or something, i dont think thats the case in any way.

It doesn't make sense, sorry. If Hummels and Subotic were really available for that much (which I highly doubt to begin with, I don't even know how you could even suggest that you'd want Hummels to replace Luiz when he is even more "error prone" and goal gifting) then why didn't Barcelona just go for one of them instead of trying to go for Luiz?

Your hatred for Luiz is just ridiculous tbh.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

  On 19/10/2013 at 18:18, CHOULO19 said:

Very bad game, yeah, but it's his first bad game for us since last December! And now everyone on social media and even some of the experts are saying that he's had an "awful start to the season" after ONE bad game

He has had a poor start in the league. He's only had 2 tackles in 4 games compared to 12 fouls committed. He's won 52% of his duels which compares poorly to Terry's 69% and Cahill 79%. He's been dribbled by the other team 5 times in 4 games. Cahill and Terry have been dribbled by a combined 4 times in 12 games. He's won a total of 3 headers. Cahill has won 18. Terry has won 31. That is an insane difference. Terry has 59 clearances, Cahill has 21 and Luiz has 11. Across the board, his numbers have stunk this year. Squwaka and whoscored both have Luiz as easily our worst defender in the league this season and our worst or second worst player overall along with Torres. And yes, numbers can be misleading but when they're that bad (Wilian has as many tackles as Luiz..., 3 won headers in 4 games for a 6 foot 2 central defender?? That's embarrassing ) there's really no argument.

That said, we've seen enough of Luiz over the years to know that he is a very good defender (and he's been very good in the CL so far) and a poor few games isn't going to change that. People always tend to overreact to a bad stretch of games when you have a vastly more important sample size that says something else. He should probably sit next game but Chelsea is generally a better team when he's in the starting XI.

[The Skipper 20,593]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:54, didierforever said:

wow... luiz has been outperforming the CL finalists darkhorses. also i would say one of the best CB pair in the world, right now!!! (cant think of any other better)

Thiago Silva & David Luiz.

David Luiz is keeping Dante (yes, Dante who starts for the CL champions, and is their best CB) out of the Brazil team. Open your eyes.

[edetarod 2,155]

[CHOULO19 24,332]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:54, didierforever said:

wow... luiz has been outperforming the CL finalists darkhorses. also i would say one of the best CB pair in the world, right now!!! (cant think of any other better)

I'm sorry, but you just can't criticize Luiz for making mistakes and then go and praise Hummels!

Hummels is basically a David Luiz with less natural ability on the ball and more defensive mistakes.

[Dion 2,476]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:58, The Skipper said:

Thiago Silva & David Luiz.

David Luiz is keeping Dante (yes, Dante who starts for the CL champions, and is their best CB) out of the Brazil team. Open your eyes.

Not only that, but Barça went for Hummels only after they were denied D. Luiz.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:56, Dion said:

Maybe we should sell all our players and buy Borussia team, they were the CL finalists afterall.

do we need to? as i said, luiz is not ir-replacable, infact far far far from it. plus 35 mil which has to be at least double of his worth offer comes then why not???

also BVB were finalists cos of a reason. their defence is better than ours, their striker is miles ahead of any thing we can throw, plus their pivot bender/gundogan/sahin is another level compared to ours (rambo/lamps/mikel). the only area we beat them in a player on player comparision is AMs and GK. anyways getting too deviated from the topic. the point is.was could we have done without luiz but plus 35 mil this window... DEFINITELY.

[Dion 2,476]

  On 19/10/2013 at 22:02, didierforever said:

do we need to? as i said, luiz is not ir-replacable, infact far far far from it. plus 35 mil which has to be at least double of his worth offer comes then why not???

also BVB were finalists cos of a reason. their defence is better than ours, their striker is miles ahead of any thing we can throw, plus their pivot bender/gundogan/sahin is another level compared to ours (rambo/lamps/mikel). the only area we beat them in a player on player comparision is AMs and GK. anyways getting too deviated from the topic. the point is.was could we have done without luiz but plus 35 mil this window... DEFINITELY.

No, the point is we cannot say Borussia players are better because they were the finalists. Their defence was indeed better in last year's CL, but you can't say they defended better because Hummels or Subotic are better than D. Luiz, their whole defensive system was better. It's just stupid and unfair to say we should buy them because they were CL finalists, that means shit for the comparison between them.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:58, The Skipper said:

Thiago Silva & David Luiz.

David Luiz is keeping Dante (yes, Dante who starts for the CL champions, and is their best CB) out of the Brazil team. Open your eyes.

the only reason dante is playing is cos, BADSTUBER is gone for long.. (probably his carrer is gone.) and they dont have a bettr replacement. dante is no whre near WC. i mean WC class is vidic in his prime or JT in his prime.

i dint think dante is anywhere near that level.

[didierforever 7,349]

  On 19/10/2013 at 22:05, Dion said:

No, the point is we cannot say Borussia players are better because they were the finalists. Their defence was indeed better in last year's CL, but you can't say they defended better because Hummels or Subotic are better than D. Luiz, their whole defensive system was better. It's just stupid and unfair to say we should buy them because they were CL finalists, that means shit for the comparison between them.

do they make stupid mistakes and give away amateurish goals, no they dont. thats all my point ever was. luiz is a liabitlty as much as he is an asset.

also i dint say we should buy them only cos they were CL finalist. if u actually saw BVB play, u would know how goood they really are.

[zolayes 14,489]

  On 19/10/2013 at 21:51, didierforever said:

well, u wanted DD to be sold (even joking about such a thing is considered BLASPHEMY in my mind), so i introduced a bit of an exagerration .

NO I asked you IF we should have sold Drogba ...

[Dion 2,476]

  On 19/10/2013 at 22:07, didierforever said:

do they make stupid mistakes and give away amateurish goals, no they dont. thats all my point ever was. luiz is a liabitlty as much as he is an asset.

also i dint say we should buy them only cos they were CL finalist. if u actually saw BVB play, u would know how goood they really are.

It was pretty much your point to me at least. You said they were CL finalists and were the better CB pair in the world. Also, it amuses me that you say Luiz is a liability and makes stupid mistakes yet you say if I watched BVB play I would know how good Subotic and Hummels are, because they have had a lot of terrible performances not long ago.