Roman Abramovich Thread

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:27, Muzchap said:

Ouch, I have been supporting them since I was born in 1976, I was born in a flat off Kings Road, called Mulberry House, bus-stop outside of it, always wanted to be a bus driver until I got older and realised the pay sucks and you get constant abuse... My old man tried to make me Millwall, but having none of that, that's where he was born, rest of the family are from Hackney, so are Spuds.

I get you hate the situation - I don't think my arguments will persuade you, and I get the distinct impression my arguments just seem to imflame you further

I have really enjoyed the debate - let's hope we can one day wave a plastic flag together and put that on Facebook :)

I wasn't questioning your support - we're all Chelsea supporters here and you're clearly Chelsea fan number one unless someone had a blue flag in utero, but I also don't think supporting is something you say you are or click on a website.

It's your actions surely, although I'm certainly not one to judge. I've just been remarkably proud of the support the fans have given him in recent weeks, even though results haven't been great and it's occasionally grating to see views that are different to that, although you are most certainly allowed to have them.

Think it's just the emotion of the day, and maybe one or two wums.

[Muzchap 8,966]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:33, Ossie the King said:

I wasn't questioning your support - we're all Chelsea supporters here and you're clearly Chelsea fan number one unless someone had a blue flag in utero, but I also don't think supporting is something you say you are or click on a website.

It's your actions surely, although I'm certainly not one to judge. I've just been remarkably proud of the support the fans have given him in recent weeks, even though results haven't been great and it's occasionally grating to see views that are different to that, although you are most certainly allowed to have them.

Think it's just the emotion of the day, and maybe one or two wums.

I wouldn't say number 1 - just overreacting a little

Easy to go into keyboard warrior mode

Aye, you won't hear me knocking the fans at the match, I don't get to many games now, last was 8-0 vs Villa, flew over and took my younger brother with me. But the support on Monday was impressive - loud and clear, can't ask for more than that!

[iseah100 5,612]

The fams stood behind him and he still fired Jose. Bad decision.

[bellion 170]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:07, Ossie the King said:

Actually he doesn't have carte blanche because he doesn't own the most important things about this club. Yes I'm grateful for his money and what it bought but that doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants. Literally he can't and he may well find that out again in the future.

On the contrary, it's Roman's money and he can pretty damn well do what he pleases wit the club.

He has bent over backwards to accomodate Mourinho's antics and the team's poor results this season.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:59, iseah100 said:

The fams stood behind him and he still fired Jose. Bad decision.

The fans aren't thinking straight.

16th in the league.

15 points out of 16 games.

Out of 16 games only 4 wins, 3 draws and 9 losses.

1 point above relegation zone.

He needed to go. Quite frankly it was long overdue.

The history Mourinho had here and the support from the fans is what kept in charge for this long.

[xPetrCechx 13,565]

I'm Sure he's trying to do the best for our Club....

[Rhino's Skin 972]

  On 18/12/2015 at 04:14, Belgiannutt said:

The fans aren't thinking straight.

16th in the league.

15 points out of 16 games.

Out of 16 games only 4 wins, 3 draws and 9 losses.

1 point above relegation zone.

He needed to go. Quite frankly it was long overdue.

The history Mourinho had here and the support from the fans is what kept in charge for this long.

The match going support could see things on the pitch which are not so evident with watching on the screen. Showing a lack of effort, not trying their best etc is one of them.

Ok...so what if a player didnt like Mourinho or his tactics.....their lack of effort was in effect mugging us as paying supporters off.

We tried our best by singing songs about virtually every player past and present, being loud on away games when oppo fans were taking the piss etc etc and yet these prima donnas were throwing it back in our faces just because their head coach was questioning them.

Forget about tactics, formations and all that bollix that the fifa 16 coaches on here run their gobs off about....this is down to pure effort and the basics need to be sorted before anything else

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 18/12/2015 at 04:14, Belgiannutt said:

The fans aren't thinking straight.

16th in the league.

15 points out of 16 games.

Out of 16 games only 4 wins, 3 draws and 9 losses.

1 point above relegation zone.

He needed to go. Quite frankly it was long overdue.

The history Mourinho had here and the support from the fans is what kept in charge for this long.

Tbh, whether it's for the right reasons or not the club did try. They've never been so patient with a manager as they have thus far, it was only going to ever get to a certain extent. It would've been inconceivable that the club would let things get so irreversible and then act, I'm sure we would've all been furious over that more than anyone would be now.

They are guilty of a lot of problems we're currently facing, but their intentions to see out this "stability" thing was there to see. I do feel sorry for Roman that it hasn't worked, like the AVB project, we seem burdened to go through managers like the ghost of Christmas past.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it's worth the club now offering minimum 2-year contracts, with an option to extend based on performances. It seems the only way Roman's going to avoid paying ridiculous compensation fees

[11Drogba 2,000]

His mistake was hiring Mourinho with the objectives of long term success, stability, integrating youth and beautiful football. Sacking him before another transfer window was the right decision.

[zolayes 14,489]

  On 18/12/2015 at 08:50, LDN Blue said:

Tbh, whether it's for the right reasons or not the club did try. They've never been so patient with a manager as they have thus far, it was only going to ever get to a certain extent. It would've been inconceivable that the club would let things get so irreversible and then act, I'm sure we would've all been furious over that more than anyone would be now.

They are guilty of a lot of problems we're currently facing, but their intentions to see out this "stability" thing was there to see. I do feel sorry for Roman that it hasn't worked, like the AVB project, we seem burdened to go through managers like the ghost of Christmas past.

Perhaps, just perhaps, it's worth the club now offering minimum 2-year contracts, with an option to extend based on performances. It seems the only way Roman's going to avoid paying ridiculous compensation fees

agree but think you mean MAXIMUM 2yr contracts

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 18/12/2015 at 09:10, zolayes said:

agree but think you mean MAXIMUM 2yr contracts

Ah yes! Always proof-read kids

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 18/12/2015 at 08:46, Rhino said:

The match going support could see things on the pitch which are not so evident with watching on the screen. Showing a lack of effort, not trying their best etc is one of them.

Ok...so what if a player didnt like Mourinho or his tactics.....their lack of effort was in effect mugging us as paying supporters off.

We tried our best by singing songs about virtually every player past and present, being loud on away games when oppo fans were taking the piss etc etc and yet these prima donnas were throwing it back in our faces just because their head coach was questioning them.

Forget about tactics, formations and all that bollix that the fifa 16 coaches on here run their gobs off about....this is down to pure effort and the basics need to be sorted before anything else

Just as I say you've been spot on in another thread, you go and be spot on in this one.

We can as a support be quiet, and I had to explain to a West Ham supporting mate that it's not just because a lot of the more vocal fans have been priced out of attending but because there's a weight of expectation and tension during matches. We almost expect a goal and when it doesn't come we get nervous.

What's been brilliant is that the adversity we've faced has made us a lot more vocal (not always positive mind) and brought back a bit of that old-school spirit. Jose became the focal point for the support, and a lot of the players received the frustration because they've failed to do the basics right. Costa in particular has been atrocious and his shit movement has been a huge factor in us not scoring more goals.

But the club can't replace the players like they need to now so it's just easier to replace the coach. That's what people mean when they talk about player power. It's not a conspiracy to get Jose sacked, but their sheer weight of numbers mean it's easier to change the coach and hope things improve rather than do what they should've done in the summer and improve the squad.

Roman and the board's inept actions then have led to us having to sack a world class coach now.

[Fulham Broadway 17,091]

Importantly the momentum with the media was instrumental in getting rid as well. Loads of cyber fans views shaped by Sky, EPSN etc The media were fed and baying for the sack-subtely- even editing transcripts from former players to fit the agenda. I suppose its work for them in their football/soap opera hybrid.

Mourinho camp and the club will use the media now, a lot of shit will come out later rather than sooner though, when both have their employment vacancies filled.

[Milan 17,895]

I don't think there has been an English club with more trophies in the last 13 season, or am I wrong? So him changing the managers has actually brought us a lot.

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 18/12/2015 at 11:41, milan.cech said:

I don't think there has been an English club with more trophies in the last 13 season, or am I wrong? So him changing the managers has actually brought us a lot.

Or he's won trophies IN SPITE of changing managers many times?

Maybe Roman just has the level of success you'd expect of anyone spending the amount of money he did regardless of their footballing acumen.

After 13 seasons he's got a club who have no idea what they want to be on the pitch and he's surrounded himself with yes-men who will keep it that way whilst alienating the hardcore support on two separate occasions.

And in Manchester you have another team in blue who know exactly what they want to be, exactly who they want in charge, have two great footballing people actually running the club and an owner who spent THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS US NET in the summer.

We're a husk of a club at the moment.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 18/12/2015 at 11:56, Ossie the King said:

And in Manchester you have another team in blue who know exactly what they want to be, exactly who they want in charge, have two great footballing people actually running the club and an owner who spent THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS US NET in the summer.

We're a husk of a club at the moment.

Isn't our owner buying us a new stadium surely an indication he is a football man?

I don't mean to use that to excuse every decision he's ever made. But on a level you talk about, 'exactly what they want to be', well getting a 60,000 stadium is a step in the right direction.

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 18/12/2015 at 12:13, LDN Blue said:

Isn't our owner buying us a new stadium surely an indication he is a football man?

I don't mean to use that to excuse every decision he's ever made. But on a level you talk about, 'exactly what they want to be', well getting a 60,000 stadium is a step in the right direction.

Building a new stadium makes long-term financial success. It's also a massive gesture but don't forget what happened in 2011 when he tried to rig the vote.

I'm very certain that the man loves football but he's not the second coming of Matthew Harding. We were lucky that he chose us (in a sense) and we are fortunate to have an owner so willing to invest in us but that hasn't come without us losing some things.

He's shown on more than one occasion to either have no idea what the hardcore support of this club thinks or to simply not care, but that's his right. We're simply customers of a business and we mean nothing in the grand scheme of things because of the increased TV revenues.

Not to sound too much like an old man but football has changed a lot and not always for the better.

[Fernando 6,534]

  On 18/12/2015 at 12:27, Ossie the King said:

Building a new stadium makes long-term financial success. It's also a massive gesture but don't forget what happened in 2011 when he tried to rig the vote.

I'm very certain that the man loves football but he's not the second coming of Matthew Harding. We were lucky that he chose us (in a sense) and we are fortunate to have an owner so willing to invest in us but that hasn't come without us losing some things.

He's shown on more than one occasion to either have no idea what the hardcore support of this club thinks or to simply not care, but that's his right. We're simply customers of a business and we mean nothing in the grand scheme of things because of the increased TV revenues.

Not to sound too much like an old man but football has changed a lot and not always for the better.

Basically this.

Some people are stuck in the past and don't want to evolve.

Times have change and won't be the same.