Roman Abramovich Thread

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love roman.. he did what he had to do

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

  On 17/12/2015 at 20:50, Vybz Kartel said:

I honestly wish we had Sheikh Mansour as an owner instead of Roman, rational owner who is not short sighted just look at City they have overtaken us in every aspect of football be it Stadium, Revenue, fan appeal, youth football, training ground because they have a rational owner unlike Abramovich

I hear what you're saying, but don't be silly, now. What Roman has given to this club simply can't be expressed in words.

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:01, MrExcalibur100 said:

I hear what you're saying, but don't be silly, now. What Roman has given to this club simply can't be expressed in words.

Yes it can.

Money.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Roman gave the fans what they were clamouring for, you can't blame him if it didn't turn out as planned. Maybe now, he and the board will start making decisions based on rationale and nothing more.

You want a manager who has a reputation of being a winner, whose teams play good football and who has a history of trusting young players. If that's what you want, then it's that or nothing. We can't make any compromises anymore and hoping the shoe eventually fits. We had a chance to tick all those boxes with Klopp, but failed to act swiftly.

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:08, MrExcalibur100 said:

Roman gave the fans what they were clamouring for, you can't blame him if it didn't turn out as planned. Maybe now, he and the board will start making decisions based on rationale and nothing more.

You want a manager who has a reputation of being a winner, whose teams play good football and who has a history of trusting young players. If that's what you want, then it's that or nothing. We can't make any compromises anymore and hoping the shoe eventually fits. We had a chance to tick all those boxes with Klopp, but failed to act swiftly.

Dortmund finished 7th in the league in Klopp's last season and were down the bottom for a bit too. Same excuses for him though - woeful underinvestment in the team.

The only rational decision when it comes to owning a football club is DON'T OWN A FOOTBALL CLUB. There's no money to be made in 99% of cases so there's your rationality out the window.

I love Roman but he didn't give us anything except money, for which I am truly grateful.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:04, Ossie the King said:

Yes it can.

Money.

Heh, you know what I meant. Roman is the most passionate and dedicated owner in the world by far. That man is 100% Chelsea.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:11, Ossie the King said:

Dortmund finished 7th in the league in Klopp's last season and were down the bottom for a bit too. Same excuses for him though - woeful underinvestment in the team.

Klopp had all his best players taken from him by the bullies from Bavaria. No parallels to be drawn there, if that's what you're trying to do. Mourinho kept all his best players and was given Pedro in addition. A near world class player. Difference.

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:16, MrExcalibur100 said:

Klopp had all his best players taken from him by the bullies from Bavaria. No parallels to be drawn there, if that's what you're trying to do. Mourinho kept all his best players and was given Pedro in addition. A near world class player. Difference.

We wilfully sold Cech to Arsenal so there's a difference there but the point is that both suffered from things beyond their control in my opinion.

You left out Djogbdosy in the list of gifts he was given by the way. And Falcao.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:19, Ossie the King said:

We wilfully sold Cech to Arsenal so there's a difference there but the point is that both suffered from things beyond their control in my opinion.

You left out Djogbdosy in the list of gifts he was given by the way. And Falcao.

Cech was the back up keeper to Courtious and was adequately replaced by Begovic, a top class keeper.

Falcao was Mourinho's signing, probably done more to do his agent a favour than to help us on the pitch considering how shocking he was at Utd and the Copa America.

You know, it's funny. Mourinho normally gets taunted as a chequebook manager. He was given an opportunity to prove otherwise this season and look what happened.

[Muzchap 8,966]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:19, Ossie the King said:

We wilfully sold Cech to Arsenal so there's a difference there but the point is that both suffered from things beyond their control in my opinion.

You left out Djogbdosy in the list of gifts he was given by the way. And Falcao.

straws, clutching....

It's not the same as Dortmund.

Mourinho wanted Falcao

Dildo - sure that shocked everyone, but Mourinho likes tall players and he got one.

Roman was dammed if he did, dammed if he didn't.

No win situation

I personally think they should have acted much quicker and hoiked him out a good 7 weeks ago, so the timing has surprised me, I thought he would be here until the summer.

I think his last press conference did it for him, without that, perhaps he could have stayed on - but that was too much.

So Jose really only has himself to blame, he needs to keep a lid on his emotions, otherwise these are the consequences. Chelsea will go on as will JM...

Today's news, tomorrows chip paper and some good memories...

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:24, MrExcalibur100 said:

Cech was the back up keeper to Courtious and was adequately replaced by Begovic, a top class keeper.

Falcao was Mourinho's signing, probably done more to do his agent a favour than to help us on the pitch considering how shocking he was at Utd and the Copa America.

You know, it's funny. Mourinho normally gets taunted as a chequebook manager. He was given an opportunity to prove otherwise this season and look what happened.

Cech was the missing piece in Arsenal's defence. You're talking about what he meant to us, but what he meant to them is far more pertinent.

Falcao may well have been a Mendes/Mourinho special. Were the rest?

I don't think the board were trying to disprove some notion about Jose - I think they were just inept. We needed to spend to improve the squad and show some ambition, and we didn't.

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:24, Muzchap said:

straws, clutching....

It's not the same as Dortmund.

Mourinho wanted Falcao

Dildo - sure that shocked everyone, but Mourinho likes tall players and he got one.

Roman was dammed if he did, dammed if he didn't.

No win situation

I personally think they should have acted much quicker and hoiked him out a good 7 weeks ago, so the timing has surprised me, I thought he would be here until the summer.

I think his last press conference did it for him, without that, perhaps he could have stayed on - but that was too much.

So Jose really only has himself to blame, he needs to keep a lid on his emotions, otherwise these are the consequences. Chelsea will go on as will JM...

Today's news, tomorrows chip paper and some good memories...

And yet the supporters still sung his name and backed him, which was something I thought we might have lost as a fanbase. That is perhaps the best thing to come from this, that the fans are showing some loyalty. But what did it get them?

As for Klopp, I like him and I think he was a marvellous presence not just at Dortmund, but in the Bundesliga. It's not however 'straw clutching' to raise pertinent details about his time there.

Ultimately you've got what you want though and maybe we'll be better for it. But I honestly don't think the vast majority of supporters will agree with you, especially at the Bridge against Sunderland.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

  On 17/12/2015 at 20:50, Vybz Kartel said:

I honestly wish we had Sheikh Mansour as an owner instead of Roman, rational owner who is not short sighted just look at City they have overtaken us in every aspect of football be it Stadium, Revenue, fan appeal, youth football, training ground because they have a rational owner unlike Abramovich

Absolute bullshit mate every Chelsea fan should count there lucky stars the day that Roman walked into the club. I'd prefer a different billionaire ran my football club that's just fucking pathetic. Roman saved this club from the brink and I guarantee that if he hadn't we'd be in the Championship at best. Would you be a Chelsea fan? I very much doubt it. Roman has carte blanche to do what he wants it's his money and if he makes a few bad decisions that people don't agree with then tough fucking titty.

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:04, Iggy Doonican said:

Absolute bullshit mate every Chelsea fan should count there lucky stars the day that Roman walked into the club. I'd prefer a different billionaire ran my football club that's just fucking pathetic. Roman saved this club from the brink and I guarantee that if he hadn't we'd be in the Championship at best. Would you be a Chelsea fan? I very much doubt it. Roman has carte blanche to do what he wants it's his money and if he makes a few bad decisions that people don't agree with then tough fucking titty.

Actually he doesn't have carte blanche because he doesn't own the most important things about this club. Yes I'm grateful for his money and what it bought but that doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants. Literally he can't and he may well find that out again in the future.

[Muzchap 8,966]

  On 17/12/2015 at 23:53, Ossie the King said:

Cech was the missing piece in Arsenal's defence. You're talking about what he meant to us, but what he meant to them is far more pertinent.

Falcao may well have been a Mendes/Mourinho special. Were the rest?

I don't think the board were trying to disprove some notion about Jose - I think they were just inept. We needed to spend to improve the squad and show some ambition, and we didn't.

And yet the supporters still sung his name and backed him, which was something I thought we might have lost as a fanbase. That is perhaps the best thing to come from this, that the fans are showing some loyalty. But what did it get them?

As for Klopp, I like him and I think he was a marvellous presence not just at Dortmund, but in the Bundesliga. It's not however 'straw clutching' to raise pertinent details about his time there.

Ultimately you've got what you want though and maybe we'll be better for it. But I honestly don't think the vast majority of supporters will agree with you, especially at the Bridge against Sunderland.

I think the supporters kept Jose in a job far longer than any other manager. Whether that's to the detriment of the club, only time will tell. The cold hard facts are irrefutable though, the fairytale element is harder to dismiss. We were regressing at an alarming rate under a manager that seemed different as of Jan 15, the thumping by Spuds changed something and from that moment on, things went downhill fast.

Klopp is different IMHO - he lost a lot of players to a rival and that's different to Cech being 'authorised' to move to Arsenal. For Dortmund it's a statement of, we will never be able to compete, so what's the point. For Chelsea, many (until the slump) saw it as a grand gesture towards a loyal and brilliant player, who was deemed surplus to requirements, but didn't want to uproot his family at a critical time in his children's education. Yes, looking back it wasn't ideal, but I still admire the club for this stance - it shows a genuine nature.

It's easy to say I got what I want - but if you look at my history, this was the hardest decision I have ever had to make as a Chelsea fan, heart vs mind. I defended Mourinho to the hilt, numerous times and truly thought he just needed the carthetic moment of winning the league to shrug off the monkey of Real Madrid. I remember saying to everybody on here - just you wait, the real Mourinho (my Mourinho Mk1) will emerge this season and build a dynasty. I genuinely believed we would win back to back trophies and I would experience another night like I did in Munich, but this time with Jose!

That dream, along with the season is in tatters

Jose has also conducted himself appallingly this season, it's just been too much watching him unravel.

I love the club, and for the club, I truly think we are better off without the current version of Jose. Every week I hoped he would turn it around, as did all of us, but it just wasn't going to happen.

Yes, our Board and Players share equal blame!

But it's happened and we all need to focus on the future now, not the past and as Jimmy Greaves used to say 'Football, it's a funny old game' - never rule out Mourinho Part 3....

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:07, Ossie the King said:

Actually he doesn't have carte blanche because he doesn't own the most important things about this club. Yes I'm grateful for his money and what it bought but that doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants. Literally he can't and he may well find that out again in the future.

Err yes it can mate. He ultimately hires and fires and it's his dough that will finance the new ground.

[Ossie the King 634]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:09, Iggy Doonican said:

Err yes it can mate. He ultimately hires and fires and it's his dough that will finance the new ground.

CPO might have something to say about that last bit, but yes he can hire and fire who he wants.

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:08, Muzchap said:

It's easy to say I got what I want - but if you look at my history, this was the hardest decision I have ever had to make as a Chelsea fan, heart vs mind. I defended Mourinho to the hilt, numerous times and truly thought he just needed the carthetic moment of winning the league to shrug off the monkey of Real Madrid. I remember saying to everybody on here - just you wait, the real Mourinho (my Mourinho Mk1) will emerge this season and build a dynasty. I genuinely believed we would win back to back trophies and I would experience another night like I did in Munich, but this time with Jose!

That dream, along with the season is in tatters

It's one season out of however many you plan on being a Chelsea supporter. You've got what you want now (and yes it's easy to say since it's true) but what next? What did you want next? Did you want this vacuum where supporters feel a disconnect with the club? Where we chuck a bit of our identity away? Is Steve Holland the plan? Aidy maybe?

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:08, Muzchap said:

I love the club, and for the club, I truly think we are better off without the current version of Jose. Every week I hoped he would turn it around, as did all of us, but it just wasn't going to happen.

Yes, our Board and Players share equal blame!

And I think the same guy who came back, the guy who led us to the league title and has unrivalled success as a manager would have got us going again. Jimmy Greaves probably didn't say 'form is temporary and class is permanent', but he sure as shit believed it and we'll all hold on to the players and maybe even the board regaining form.

Supporting a club when they're winning the league is easy. That's when Facebook is fun and you can put up photos from the parade as your cover.

It's when things go bad that supporting actually gets tricky yet the fans managed it every week. That's the one thing giving me hope for the future because the supporters will be united, but I suspect it may be against the players and the club itself.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:07, Ossie the King said:

Actually he doesn't have carte blanche because he doesn't own the most important things about this club. Yes I'm grateful for his money and what it bought but that doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants. Literally he can't and he may well find that out again in the future.

It's that whole unwritten rule 'don't bite the hand that feeds you' hey?

We don't have the grounds to really not be a fan of his. He hasn't taken out huge debts against the club nor is he leaving us in any sort of financial risk or ruin. It's a shame that we use that as the current measure of what makes a successful owner and not other mitigating factors.

On the face, it does seem the sacking was Roman's own to bare. Perhaps a bit of structure needs to be brought in now. That ageing board could do with a freshening up perhaps. Wasn't it rumoured Buck was next to be going after Gourlay?

[Muzchap 8,966]

  On 18/12/2015 at 00:16, Ossie the King said:

CPO might have something to say about that last bit, but yes he can hire and fire who he wants.

It's one season out of however many you plan on being a Chelsea supporter. You've got what you want now (and yes it's easy to say since it's true) but what next? What did you want next? Did you want this vacuum where supporters feel a disconnect with the club? Where we chuck a bit of our identity away? Is Steve Holland the plan? Aidy maybe?

And I think the same guy who came back, the guy who led us to the league title and has unrivalled success as a manager would have got us going again. Jimmy Greaves probably didn't say 'form is temporary and class is permanent', but he sure as shit believed it and we'll all hold on to the players and maybe even the board regaining form.

Supporting a club when they're winning the league is easy. That's when Facebook is fun and you can put up photos from the parade as your cover.

It's when things go bad that supporting actually gets tricky yet the fans managed it every week. That's the one thing giving me hope for the future because the supporters will be united, but I suspect it may be against the players and the club itself.

Ouch, I have been supporting them since I was born in 1976, I was born in a flat off Kings Road, called Mulberry House, bus-stop outside of it, always wanted to be a bus driver until I got older and realised the pay sucks and you get constant abuse... My old man tried to make me Millwall, but having none of that, that's where he was born, rest of the family are from Hackney, so are Spuds.

I get you hate the situation - I don't think my arguments will persuade you, and I get the distinct impression my arguments just seem to imflame you further

I have really enjoyed the debate - let's hope we can one day wave a plastic flag together and put that on Facebook :)