Politics & Stuff

[Fernando 6,456]

7 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You know the world's a crazy place when, British and Americans are discussing other country's and who's worse for murdering thousands of innocent lives. 🤦

Yes because American and Brittan has done worse. Australia with aboriginals and on and on and on. 

Look at what we did to the Native Americans, British in other parts of the world when they where super power. 

In the end it's all about the love of money. It's what drive all craziness. If Israel and Gaza where to go extinct in some disaster, years later we would have something similar somewhere else. Money, the love of money is the root of all evil and that's something humans can't fight. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,122]

38 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Yes because American and Brittan has done worse. Australia with aboriginals and on and on and on. 

Look at what we did to the Native Americans, British in other parts of the world when they where super power. 

In the end it's all about the love of money. It's what drive all craziness. If Israel and Gaza where to go extinct in some disaster, years later we would have something similar somewhere else. Money, the love of money is the root of all evil and that's something humans can't fight. 

Money makes the world go round, but it will also be the reason it stops.

[robsblubot 3,504]

9 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

The statistics can easily be verified via the UN rather than corporate, and in many cases zionist dominated media. Hardly think they lie, being a largely US led institution. Agree terrorist states blur the lines between civilian and military targets. 

Agree to disagree on that one. Leaving specific options aside, statistics without context can be very misleading just like in Football. That happens  not in in offense, but also defense.

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

58 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Agree to disagree on that one. Leaving specific options aside, statistics without context can be very misleading just like in Football. That happens  not in in offense, but also defense.

Like you said because you worked there ''my opinion is very biased''. Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. I tend to believe the United Nations figures, backed up by the fact  Israel have broken more UN Resolutions than all other countries together.  Iraq broke two UN resolutions and got bombed back to the stone age, invaded, with 295 000 killed, resources, oil, pillaged, with up to 576 000 children dying due to sanctions, (again UN figures.) 

Israel has broken 65 UN resolutions in recent years, it just shows where US and UK interests lie.

[Fernando 6,456]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Like you said because you worked there ''my opinion is very biased''. Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. I tend to believe the United Nations figures, backed up by the fact  Israel have broken more UN Resolutions than all other countries together.  Iraq broke two UN resolutions and got bombed back to the stone age, invaded, with 295 000 killed, resources, oil, pillaged, with up to 576 000 children dying due to sanctions, (again UN figures.) 

Israel has broken 65 UN resolutions in recent years, it just shows where US and UK interests lie.

That is for real? How is it possible that's on that list and you had countries like El Salvador being murder capital for many years until Nayeli came in...that's so weird. 

[robsblubot 3,504]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Like you said because you worked there ''my opinion is very biased''. Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. I tend to believe the United Nations figures, backed up by the fact  Israel have broken more UN Resolutions than all other countries together.  Iraq broke two UN resolutions and got bombed back to the stone age, invaded, with 295 000 killed, resources, oil, pillaged, with up to 576 000 children dying due to sanctions, (again UN figures.) 

Israel has broken 65 UN resolutions in recent years, it just shows where US and UK interests lie.

Yup that's not the reason Iraq was bombed/invaded, and it was very clear from the beginning (easier to just follow the money on that one). Don't think US cares one bit about UN too.

Regardless my admitted bias, I also have a hard time with terrorism in general. The whole idea of targeting enemy civilians, then go hide among your own civilians as human shields is beyond deplorable.

Edited October 17, 2023 by robsblubot

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

21 minutes ago, Fernando said:

That is for real? How is it possible that's on that list and you had countries like El Salvador being murder capital for many years until Nayeli came in...that's so weird. 

Yup. The United Nations has passed several resolutions that have been critical of Israel’s actions. The General Assembly passed 15 anti-Israel resolutions in 2022, compared to 13 resolutions criticizing other countries Since 2015, the General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions criticizing Israel, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinians, its relationships with neighboring countries and other alleged wrongdoings. The US has vetoed dozens of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions critical of Israel, including at least 53 since 1972, according to UN data.  I think this is because Israel is a strategic sattelite for the US in Middle East, so can do no wrong

[Clockwork 1,794]

Do terrorist use civilians as human child? Yes sometimes, often though it is a gross oversimplification. terrorist live among among civilians. It is not like they have a terrorist on their forehead  and everyone is aware of it, or are the terrorist are secluding themselves. 

Target terrorist, the vast majority support that. The issue is targeting them without considering the human casualty. Israel has also used white phosphorus in recent days which is against International law.

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

Would have thought cutting off water, food and electricity, for two and a half million people, bombing schools and a hospital tonight killing over 500 civilians was the actions of Terrorists. Oh no its ok its Israel doing it.

[robsblubot 3,504]

12 minutes ago, Clockwork said:

Do terrorist use civilians as human child? Yes sometimes, often though it is a gross oversimplification. terrorist live among among civilians. It is not like they have a terrorist on their forehead  and everyone is aware of it, or are the terrorist are secluding themselves. 

Target terrorist, the vast majority support that. The issue is targeting them without considering the human casualty. Israel has also used white phosphorus in recent days which is against International law.

true, but having human shields (regardless how willing) killed help their cause; at the very least they bring up the number of their civilian casualties on their side. I think it's very convenient to attack and then "hide" where you are untouchable unless civilians die.

I think to "consider the human casualty" is easier said than done given how terrorists operate.

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11 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Would have thought cutting off water, food and electricity, for two and a half million people, bombing schools and a hospital tonight killing over 500 civilians was the actions of Terrorists. Oh no its ok its Israel doing it.

I think you are mixing terminology here. Israel isn't doing terrorism the same way Russia isn't. We can all condemn a governments for doing terrible things, but they are different things.

The issue I have is with the response: OK, let's go kill a bunch of civilians in a party to make things even.

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

5 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

I think you are mixing terminology here. Israel isn't doing terrorism the same way Russia isn't.

Yes we are - the thought that a state cant be Terrorist is laughable

[robsblubot 3,504]

10 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yes we are - the thought that a state cant be Terrorist is laughable

Then no country has ever been at war and were merely doing terrorism. 🤷‍♂️

My point remains, it's not about which is worse, but that they are different. Israel "declared" war and is attacking their targets "as they announced." Terrorism is a very different tool.

This is a discussion of terminology now and I think they are VERY different. Once again, not about which is better. Russia invasion of Ukraine isn't better than anything, but I would definitely not call it terrorism. They declared war and then proceeded to invade the country. The reasons for declaring the war are irrelevant to define whether it's war or not.

Once war is happening, then atrocities of all kinds (murder and rape) will happen. That's always the case.

Edited October 17, 2023 by robsblubot

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

2 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Then no country has ever been at war and were merely doing terrorism. 🤷‍♂️

My point remains, it's not about which is worse, but that they are different. Israel "declared" war and is attacking their targets "as they announced." Terrorism is a very different tool.

This is a discussion of terminology now and I think they are VERY different. Once again, not about which is better. Russia invasion of Ukraine isn't better than anything, but I would definitely not call it terrorism. They declared war and then proceeded to invade the country. The reasons for declaring the war are irrelevant to define whether it's war or not.

Once war is happening, then atrocities of all kinds (murder and rape) will happen. That's always the case.

But there are rules of engagement. The Hamas atrocities were appalling - Israels response is worse, yet they keep taking the moral high ground.

Ukraine gets invaded and they are labelled heroes and given billions of aid and weapons. palestine gets invaded by Israel and they are 'terrorists'. 

 

 

[robsblubot 3,504]

7 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

But there are rules of engagement. The Hamas atrocities were appalling - Israels response is worse, yet they keep taking the moral high ground.

Ukraine gets invaded and they are labelled heroes and given billions of aid and weapons. palestine gets invaded by Israel and they are 'terrorists'. 

 

 

Don't hear many people saying Israel has the moral high ground... certainly not around here. They lost that the moment they attacked the way they did. 

Ukraine did not do, or does, acts of terrorism. As in a sneak attack + targeting civilians ... Hamas' acts endangered their own people, and I am 100% sure they fully knew that.

 

Edited October 17, 2023 by robsblubot

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

Just now, robsblubot said:

saying Israel has the moral high ground..

Their UK ambassador says it ad nauseaum. Palestinians routinely described as animals

 

2 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

They lost that the moment they attacked the way they did. 

Try looking at other media other than Zionist backed corporate ones. They have murdered hundreds of civilians in the last year.

 

4 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

acts endangered their own peopl

Pretty hard not to when youre in the most densely populated open prison in the World, you cant leave no one can come in

 

[Fulham Broadway 16,838]

Fox News says 'all Palestinians are hamas' 🤪

[robsblubot 3,504]

4 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Fox News says 'all Palestinians are hamas' 🤪

Well, if you watch Fox News (or even the liberal counterparts like msnbc), that's on you.