Politics & Stuff

[Thor 2,727]

28 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Not sure ...
What an odd expression when you actually do understand perfectly.
The illegal bit is second-third-fourth consideration.
Because who knows who is illegal or not ?
Only the cops after they have looked into their computer.
They don't care about legal or illegal status more than they care about the local tramps - clochards.
The workers and the professionals is they are after.
Put that in pipe and smoke.

 

I'm not sure I understand. 

Letting people into a country illegally is what over time causes a downtrend in a country - both economically and values/safety wise. 

Same way you wouldn't invite strangers into your home without vetting them. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

53 minutes ago, Vesper said:

The numbers are the numbers, and now you are moving goalposts to areas I did not discuss.

In terms of housing prices, I agree, the US is absolutely fucked, same for rents in many areas.

It's all underpinned by corporate greed, manipulation and proft taking (especially via falsely raised margins).

The numbers are bullshit though which can be manipulated to say anything. there's not a single American you can talk to, who isnt rich out of their mind, who feels inflation is better right now than in 2021 when folks were being given cash for covid relief.

 

My friends and I all make over six figures and our standard of living now is worse than what are parents had making half as much in the 90's during the dot com boom.  Its like the people during BLM who would come in, with numbers, and preach to unhappy people that "The cops actually kill white people more". Perception is reality. There is only so long you can tell people living in shit that things are actually good before they reject you outright.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

But that is called overall inflation in decades. Of course everything was cheaper in the 90s. But then again wage was also lower. 

What was minimum wage in the 90s in NYC? And take a look at minimum wage today? 

So yes it is true in the whole the federal reserve likes to keep inflation at 2% percent year on year as that is healthy and for the economy. But runaway inflation not cool and that is going down. 

What was the average home price in NYC in 1994 and in 2024?

 

There is actually nothing healthy about the price for everything going up but wages remaining stagnant. Minimum wage in my state is 5 bucks, but the federal minimum of 7.25 pushes it to that. It actually hasn't risen at all since I was in high school and im in my 30's now.
 

Has inflation gone down in your shopping prices?

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

But people are still buying. Despite the historical high value of owning a house. People have money and don't care. Take a look at one example:

One house was listed for 439,900. On April 9,2024 and was sold on 

May 15 2024 for 510,500.

So despite high interest people are still putting multiple offers and buying above the asking price. 

 

Rich people looking to shelter their money in foreign countries(the absolute influx of Chinese buyers on the west coast) and private equity/corporations are buying for sure.

The average person? No chance. We have turned this nation into a nation of renters. And as Rome falls republicans want us to sit around and cry about some kid wanting to be called a different gender. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

11 minutes ago, Thor said:

I'm not sure I understand. 

Letting people into a country illegally is what over time causes a downtrend in a country - both economically and values/safety wise. 

Same way you wouldn't invite strangers into your home without vetting them. 

Well, you do understand what I 'm saying better than a preacher understands his bible.
Begin your replies with some other more decent expression in the future I would suggest.
We are talking about the racists mentality here, not about me vetting visitors to my home.

[Thor 2,727]

22 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Well, you do understand what I 'm saying better than a preacher understands his bible.
Begin your replies with some other more decent expression in the future I would suggest.
We are talking about the racists mentality here, not about me vetting visitors to my home.

You're conflating things that aren't the case. 

If someone says they don't like a BMW, that doesn't make them a hater of all cars. 

These distinctions are important. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

I'm not sure what you're alluding to - but illegal immigration is a huge problem in the USA. 

I don't think it is racist to not want illegal immigration. 

Not any bigger of a problem than "Legal" Immigration where a company will hire someone from overseas into a slave H1B contract to where they have to do whatever the boss says or face fear of being deported.

 

Hell, an undocumented immigrant could go work on a farm for cheap and actually keep American's produce prices lower. What does the average American get from an immigrant taking a skilled labor job?

Edited May 26, 2024 by Sir Mikel OBE

[cosmicway 1,333]

20 minutes ago, Thor said:

You're conflating things that aren't the case. 

If someone says they don't like a BMW, that doesn't make them a hater of all cars. 

These distinctions are important. 

About illegal immigration the open border fanciers in Greece were supposed to be the woke SYRIZA government of 2015-19.
Everybody things they are a joke of a party now (which to my mind is not so funny anymore because Greece needs a serious opposition party - must n't become the undisputed property of one party, the present government party).
Yet in 2017 it was them jokers who brought the EU special force, the FRONTEX, whose task is to prevent illegal crossings of the borders.
So illegal immigration is always illegal immigration, for me, for you, for everybody.

But this is not the mind of the racist. 
The mind of the racist is what I describe.

[Vesper 30,230]

4 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The numbers are bullshit though which can be manipulated to say anything. there's not a single American you can talk to, who isnt rich out of their mind, who feels inflation is better right now than in 2021 when folks were being given cash for covid relief.

Bollocks. (the bold part)

The stuff of tinfoil-hattery.

Big claims demand big evidence, and you have none.

Zero chance the Fed and the BLS are involved in systemic fraud via cooking the books to the tune of trillions of dollars (which is what your claims would quickly add up to).

That would endanger the entire global financial system due the incredibly interlocked status of its millions of parts.

 

also you said this:

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there's not a single American you can talk to, who isnt rich out of their mind, who feels inflation is better right now than in 2021 when folks were being given cash for covid relief.

that is pure sophistry, I made no such claims

all I said (and showed with verifiable information) was that broad-based inflation and core CPI are both on a downward trend (and both ARE well below their 5 year highs)

 

core CPI (the one that most impacts day-to-day lives):

 

those very low mid to late 2020 and early 2021 numbers were the result of the exogenous shock that was the peak of the Covid pandemic

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Bollocks. (the bold part)

The stuff of tinfoil-hattery.

Big claims demand big evidence, and you have none.

Zero chance the Fed and the BLS are involved in systemic fraud via cooking the books to the tune of trillions of dollars (which is what your claims would quickly add up to).

That would endanger the entire global financial system due the incredibly interlocked status of its millions of parts.

 

also you said this:

that is pure sophistry, I made no such claims

all I said (and showed with verifiable information) was that broad-based inflation and core CPI are both on a downward trend (and both ARE well below their 5 year highs)

 

core CPI (the one that most impacts day-to-day lives):

 

those very low mid to late 2020 and early 2021 numbers were the result of the exogenous shock that was the peak of the Covid pandemic

What makes you think they wouldn't lie and cook the books? This is America we are speaking of.

 

Im old enough to remember our leaders laughing in our face with lies about Saddam and Iraq being in on 9/11 and having weapons of mass destruction. The idea they wouldn't lie when everybody can see they can't buy shit with money today and QOL is in the dumps is one not rooted in the reality of what America has already shown itself capable of doing.

I'd say the chance is closer to Zero any of these numbers being given are factual for the average American. 😄 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

And the whole globe can be in on an absolute lie when Americans want them to be:
 

I think many Europeans view America the way a family friend views a child telling them that their good buddy isnt such a good buddy behind closed doors. Our government agencies lie, lie, and lie. 

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

On 26/05/2024 at 16:22, Thor said:

I'm not sure I understand. 

Letting people into a country illegally is what over time causes a downtrend in a country - both economically and values/safety wise. 

Same way you wouldn't invite strangers into your home without vetting them. 

Your argument is rubbished from the moment you don't know who is an illegal immigrant and who is not.
Only the cops know that if they go to the Home Office website and search.
Therefore with this talk everybody is attacked the same and your argument is rubbished.

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

7 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

And the whole globe can be in on an absolute lie when Americans want them to be:
 

I think many Europeans view America the way a family friend views a child telling them that their good buddy isnt such a good buddy behind closed doors. Our government agencies lie, lie, and lie. 

 

I remember that- and the other lies about Kuwaiti Air stewardesses being raped. 100% BS. 

What with that, and Sec of State Madeleine Albright saying to Saddam - ''we have no problem with your claim of Kuwait being Iraqi territory'' the trap was set for the annihilation of Iraq, the stealing of resources and daddy Bushs' revenge, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of deaths

[robsblubot 3,595]

12 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

And the whole globe can be in on an absolute lie when Americans want them to be:
 

I think many Europeans view America the way a family friend views a child telling them that their good buddy isnt such a good buddy behind closed doors. Our government agencies lie, lie, and lie. 

 

Any view of the United *States* of America that sees a one entity is wrong imo.

states here are a lot more autonomy than in other countries. Soh much so that elections are run by each state, and high makes trump claims of mass fraud in a decentralized system even more laughable.

every system is imperfect! We tend to choose the better systems tho; the he ones are high work the best for our needs.

[cosmicway 1,333]

It was ambassador April Gillespie who said to Saddam Hussein "we are not taking sides in your onflict with Kuwait".
It was n't Albright.
But if that was a trap then Michael Gorbatchev was also part of it.
After the invasion the commies everywhere were jumping with joy as they were of course supporting Iraq. It could n't cross their mind that USSR was not going to use the power of veto in the UN to stop the operation desert shield. It hit them as a bombshell and we all knew Iraq was defeated from that moment.
At the time Michael Gorbatchev was the undisputed leader and true hero of world communism - the reds called him a "traitor" eventually but that was in the future.
The Chinese also did not use their veto but maybe that was expected.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

15 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I remember that- and the other lies about Kuwaiti Air stewardesses being raped. 100% BS. 

What with that, and Sec of State Madeleine Albright saying to Saddam - ''we have no problem with your claim of Kuwait being Iraqi territory'' the trap was set for the annihilation of Iraq, the stealing of resources and daddy Bushs' revenge, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of deaths

Yep.

Millions and millions fed to the shredder based on nothing but lies.

 

I remember sitting in school the day after we announced we were invading Iraq again and NOBODY even at that point believed Bush, but the right people believed in the lies and kids I knew back then were thrown into a conflict we never had a chance at winning. We were a screwed generation even from the beginning. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

10 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Any view of the United *States* of America that sees a one entity is wrong imo.

states here are a lot more autonomy than in other countries. Soh much so that elections are run by each state, and high makes trump claims of mass fraud in a decentralized system even more laughable.

every system is imperfect! We tend to choose the better systems tho; the he ones are high work the best for our needs.

100% agree on states, but I'd say on the federal level when we want to lie we can do it as shown throughout history.

 

You can't even get a family meal at McDonald's for less than 50 bucks now which is hilarious because that cheap food used to mean something to Americans. Our society is speed running into the dumpster. One party thinks things are getting better, and the other is crying about gender. A poor choice all around.

If republicans had any answers to ANYTHING they'd have a good shout this fall, but that party has fallen apart like this country. We need another Obama type of character badly.

[cosmicway 1,333]

23 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Yep.

Millions and millions fed to the shredder based on nothing but lies.

 

I remember sitting in school the day after we announced we were invading Iraq again and NOBODY even at that point believed Bush, but the right people believed in the lies and kids I knew back then were thrown into a conflict we never had a chance at winning. We were a screwed generation even from the beginning. 

Τηε WMD story was silly and was n't even needed to give more justification to the operation desert strom.
First in the summer of 2002 the UN had done a thorough job and there were no WMD in Iraq.
Second if Saddam had WMD he would say so to deter the invasion.
Saddam was a WMD man. In 1984 his nuclear reactors were destroyed by the Israelis (operation Opera). Then the chemicals he used against the Kurds. No doubt he was hoping to be able to start again sometime, but in 2003 he had nothing of the sort and Bush-Blair made fools of themselves.
Bush should have known better.
Blair imho was never number 10 material. A former pizza boy operating in the City of London area. Has seen Oxford in postcards.
During Blair's years as prime minister the brexit movement grew and became a monster force.
 

Edited May 28, 2024 by cosmicway

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

14 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Τηε WMD story was silly and was n't even needed to give more justification to the operation desert strom.
First in the summer of 2002 the UN had done a thorough job and there were not WMD.
Second if Saddam had WMD he would say so to deter the invasion.
Saddam was a WMD man. In 1984 his nuclear reactors were destroyed by the Israelis (operation Opera). Then the chemicals he used against the Kurds. No doubt he was hoping to be able to start again sometime, but in 2003 he had nothing of the sort and Bush-Blair made fools of themselves.
Bush should have known better.
Blair imho was never number 10 material. A former pizza boy operating in the City of London area. Has seen Oxford in postcards.
During Blair's years as prime minister the brexit movement grew and became a monster force.
 

Blair was Bush's lackey. No different than what Christian is to Andrew Tate. Or Giuliani is to Trump.

Men with no dignity.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Just now, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Blair was Bush's lackey. No different than what Christian is to Andrew Tate. Or Giuliani is to Trump.

Men with no dignity.

Blair was around long before Bush and any British pm is second string to POTUS.
But anyway I don't rate him as a great politician.