Politics & Stuff

[lucio 5,418]

  On 14/10/2023 at 08:12, cosmicway said:

I did n't say that ... Palestinians or Egyptians control the world's stock exchanges.
But the Jews is a fairytale.
Some of them maybe - it's not prohibited
But it is a nazi fairytale.

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They are massively over represented considering they are a tiny % of American population .
they had a massive part in the development of the modern banking and stock exchange 

it’s not some occult nazi conspiracy , it’s just reality 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

  On 14/10/2023 at 08:15, cosmicway said:

Whatever.
If you look for masters of the world's markets it's the Japs.

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This isn't true at all. Most Japanese people live in relative poverty compared to the west.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

The sad reality of the Israel/Palestinian situation is that in all honesty Palestinians will have to leave, and we dont know where they will go. No other Arab nation will take them because despite all the media in the Arab world no other nation there can, or wants to, take them. As soon as countries tried to take to them in 50 years ago they showed up, caused terrorism in those nations, and tried to attack Israel and other places from there.

 

The Palestinian cause in the Arab world is simply about justifying ancient tribalism. The UK should have kept a military force there to enforce the 1947 borders.

[Vesper 29,392]

lol, ghost suck BoJo's todger, win stupid prizes

MP Dr Lisa Cameron who defected to Tories 'forced into hiding'

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-67108282

A former SNP MP who defected to the Conservatives has claimed she and her family have had to go into hiding due to threats of violence.

Dr Lisa Cameron said she had to leave her home after she was threatened with being "bricked in the street".

She told the The Times she had received a "torrent of abuse" in emails since announcing her defection on Thursday.

SNP leader Humza Yousaf has called on her to "do the honourable thing" and stand down, triggering a by-election.

Dr Cameron left the SNP ahead of a selection meeting to pick the next candidate for the East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow constituency.

Since making the announcement she said she had received numerous threatening messages.

• MP Lisa Cameron defects from SNP to Conservatives
• MP defected to Tories in 'tantrum' - SNP president

She told the newspaper the threats were "where the political discourse has got to in Scotland".

On her decision to leave the SNP, she said she felt "isolated" within the SNP's Westminster group and there was a lot of "fear and intimidation".

She said that intensified after she defended the teenage victim of unwanted sexual advances from SNP MP Patrick Grady.

She said she was prescribed anti-depressants and received counselling as a result of the treatment she claims to have received during her time within the party.

She has also changed her view on independence and said she no longer felt the government was being run competently.

Dr Cameron has represented the area since the 2015 general election but said she was facing a challenge in her seat from SNP staffer Grant Costello.

On choosing the Conservatives, Dr Cameron said she felt her views would not be welcomed in the Labour Party.

She is a member of the Free Church of Scotland.

Mike Russell has dismissed Dr Cameron's defection as a "tantrum"

 

Dr Cameron's claims have been dismissed by senior SNP figures, including party president Mike Russell.

He told BBC's Good Morning Scotland on Friday that her claims were "unsubstantiated".

He said: "What the SNP needs to do is focus on the big issues in Scotland, not what seems to be a rather odd tantrum from somebody who was going to lose their nomination."

The defection was also downplayed by First Minister and SNP leader Humza Yousaf.

He said constituents would be "deeply let down" by her actions and that she should stand down.

[Fernando 6,522]

One thing is that Gaza is a place where there's a lot of poverty from what I read. 

But my question is where did Hamas get all that money for all those rockets? 

That ain't cheap. If that money went to the people it would have helped a lot. 

Non of that matters now since the poor people are caught in a war. Many innocent people are dying there. 😢

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,079]

  On 14/10/2023 at 14:11, Fernando said:

But my question is where did Hamas get all that money for all those rockets? 

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Qatar is Hamas' most important financial backer and foreign ally. Qatari Emir Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani was the first state leader to visit the Hamas government in 2012. So far, the emirate has transferred €1.5 billion ($1.8 billion) to Hamas. 

Israel has one of the world’s most powerful militaries, with up to 250 nuclear warheads, it is funded by more than $3.8bn of military aid a year from the US. (Al Jazeera) 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

  On 14/10/2023 at 18:22, Fulham Broadway said:

Qatar is Hamas' most important financial backer and foreign ally. Qatari Emir Sheik Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani was the first state leader to visit the Hamas government in 2012. So far, the emirate has transferred €1.5 billion ($1.8 billion) to Hamas. 

Israel has one of the world’s most powerful militaries, with up to 250 nuclear warheads, it is funded by more than $3.8bn of military aid a year from the US. (Al Jazeera) 

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I am always shocked people try to act like Al Jazeera is not biased. Its literally the state media for where the leaders of Hamas live.

[Fulham Broadway 17,079]

  On 14/10/2023 at 18:34, Sir Mikel OBE said:

I am always shocked people try to act like Al Jazeera is not biased. Its literally the state media for where the leaders of Hamas live.

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And where the World Cup was held ...money talks. The facts are facts though ( same statistics on Sky, International Business Tribune, BBC. ) I actually find Al Jazeera very unbiased with its reporting of the Middle East. More reliable than the biased US or UK media in their Middle East coverage. They have some excellent US journalists and reporters. Qatar as well as bankrolling Hamas, has built intimate military ties with the United States, and is now the location of U.S. Central Command’s Forward Headquarters and the Combined Air Operations Center. Shows how fucked up things are, mind you remember when George Bush entertained all the Taliban leaders at his Texas ranch.....

[cosmicway 1,333]

It's a fact. In Greece all the commies and fellow travelers support Hamas. The neonazis who used to have the slogan "kill the Jew inside you" say nothing now - they don't want to identify with Palestinians because they are dark skinned people.

[Vesper 29,392]

  On 14/10/2023 at 22:35, cosmicway said:

It's a fact. In Greece all the commies and fellow travelers support Hamas. The neonazis who used to have the slogan "kill the Jew inside you" say nothing now - they don't want to identify with Palestinians because they are dark skinned people.

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Greece is just one big ball of love, isn’t it?

lolol

I would go bonkers over the politics if we lived there. 😞

[Clockwork 1,794]

The irony of Erodgan and Netanyahu accusing each other of atrocities, their accusations are indeed true about each other. They are literally the same person. No different with how Erodgan has treated Kurds in his country and Syria. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

  On 15/10/2023 at 00:51, Vesper said:

Greece is just one big ball of love, isn’t it?

lolol

I would go bonkers over the politics if we lived there. 😞

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We have extremists of both kinds.

[lucio 5,418]

  On 14/10/2023 at 22:35, cosmicway said:

It's a fact. In Greece all the commies and fellow travelers support Hamas. The neonazis who used to have the slogan "kill the Jew inside you" say nothing now - they don't want to identify with Palestinians because they are dark skinned people.

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Average Greek is literally dark skinned middle easterner.  As if they have anything in common genetically with Nordic people , they are closer to Palestinians. 
 

it’s like the Bulgarian nazi groups who are basically Turkic / asiatic role playing as white 

 

Edited October 15, 2023 by lucio

[robsblubot 3,595]

Disclaimer: I've worked for an Israeli company for many years, and I've known many Israelis. I have traveled to Israel multiple times and have met really nice people in Tel Aviv. That basically makes my bias all the more obvious to me, so any opinion I may utter will be very biased indeed.

Going beyond the realm of the obvious here, I do think, overall, that it's beneficial to blatantly obvious oppressors to find an external target to put hate and blame on. It's really not a novel idea; it's a strategy used pretty much everywhere and it is unsurprisingly very effective given that we are very much a tribal race to our cores.

I am a stout atheist, so this whole thing feels really ridiculous to me.... children dying for parent's delusions (I just believe in one fewer god than you do... thing) isn't something I like to hear on the news, so I'm pretty much avoiding the news at this point.

Edited October 16, 2023 by robsblubot

[cosmicway 1,333]

It's the same everywhere - commies, fellowtravelers.
AFD, Britain first etc, caught in two minds.

[Vesper 29,392]

lol, a football board is one of the few sane places to discuss the Israeli/Palestinian situ

 

[Vesper 29,392]

Israel & The Myth of 'Self Defence'

 

[Vesper 29,392]

In 1948, more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs – about half of prewar Palestine's Arab population – fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias, during the 1948 Palestine war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_expulsion_and_flight

The exodus was a central component of the fracturing, dispossession and displacement of Palestinian society, known as the Nakba, in which between 400 and 600 Palestinian villages were destroyed, village wells were poisoned in a biological warfare programme and properties were looted to prevent Palestinian refugees from returning, and other sites subject to Hebraization of Palestinian place names, and also refers to the wider period of war itself and the subsequent oppression up to the present day.

The precise number of refugees, many of whom settled in refugee camps in neighboring states, is a matter of dispute but around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (half of the Arab total of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes. About 250,000–300,000 Palestinians fled or were expelled during the 1947–1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine, before the Israeli Declaration of Independence in May 1948, a fact which was named as a casus belli for the entry of the Arab League into the country, sparking the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

The causes are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians. Factors involved in the exodus include Jewish military advances, destruction of Arab villages, psychological warfare, fears of another massacre by Zionist militias after the Deir Yassin massacre, which caused many to leave out of panic, direct expulsion orders by Israeli authorities, the demoralizing impact of wealthier classes fleeing, the typhoid epidemic in some areas caused by Israeli well-poisoning, collapse in Palestinian leadership and Arab evacuation orders, and a disinclination to live under Jewish control.

Later, a series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented Arabs who had left from returning to their homes or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees. The expulsion of the Palestinians has since been described by some historians as ethnic cleansing, while others dispute this charge. Nevertheless, the existence of the so-called Law of Return allowing for immigration and naturalization of any Jewish person and their family to Israel, while a Palestinian right of return has been denied, has been cited as an evidence for the charges of Apartheid against the State of Israel. The status of the refugees, and in particular whether Israel will allow them the right to return to their homes, or compensate them, are key issues in the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict. The events of 1948 are commemorated by Palestinians both in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere on 15 May, a date known as Nakba Day.

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