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[robsblubot 3,595]

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

• While Earth’s climate has changed throughout its history, the current warming is happening at a rate not seen in the past 10,000 years.
• According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), "Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."¹
• Scientific information taken from natural sources (such as ice cores, rocks, and tree rings) and from modern equipment (like satellites and instruments) all show the signs of a changing climate.
• From global temperature rise to melting ice sheets, the evidence of a warming planet abounds.

 

[NikkiCFC 8,340]

2 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

A BS tourism job where you serve drinks to a kid your age from the UK, who takes your girlfriend out back and bangs her while you work, isnt a job that inspires Greek Youth. Its the same way in Spain, and closer to home, Jamaica and the vast majority of the Caribbean.

 

There's a reason why kids leave for educational(and opportunity) opportunity you know that. When I visited Germany for work even in 2018 during the "improvement" every greek person there had left home because there was nothing there for them.

 

58 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Not unnatural for them to go to Germany.
Greece is hardly the centre of things for such people.
We do not have a NASA or a CEA CERN or a Cavendish Laboratory in the GR.
Only roasted lambs and fish.
As for girlfriends being gang banged, it's their job - leave them.
But don't knock the pizza men. They make good money. I go sometimes to the old centre and I don't recognize it. Used to be pitch dark in the evenings but it's pubs everywhere.

With this economic crisis then the objective was to kill the middle class. Not the various pizza vendors, pizza deliverers, other workers.
The socialists started this back in 1993.
There was daily propaganda about the ... doctors of Kolonaki (n.b. the posh district) who were supposedly not paying taxes.
But why them and not the doctors in the working class neighbourhoods - mystery.
Then they taxed the ... poor sponge divers in the islands and the chestnut vendors !
After this we gradually moved into economic crisis years. Again the ... Kolonaki doctors on the tv.
I said "hey that crap was 15 years ago and you are not even changing the words", but in vain.
One of those doctors, right in the middle of Kolonaki, saved my life when I was a kid, but that's another story.
But them doctors are doing alright, thank you very much - it was the open air vendors of kites for clean Monday who were arrested for ... not paying taxes.

Anyway, perhaps I 'm a minority of one.
The commies are seemingly more worried about the ... windmills in the mountains producing aeolic power.
One -who did n't know me well- invited me to a such demo.
Of course I said no, but during this demo they smashed all the windows of Ermou street.
None was left standing and Ermou street is the commercial street with the boutiques - the Carnaby street of Athens.

Been to Greece many times. Thessaloniki, Athens and many islands. Greeks always had reputation they don't like/want to work. And rightly so. My impression is that half population have some property by the sea they are renting in the summer and make enough money so they don't have to work in the winter. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

2 hours ago, robsblubot said:

We do have TONS of evidence pointing to a man-made effect on climate.
The natural process of converting carbon into fossil fuels takes millions of years, and all that accumulated energy is being released by us all at once (immediately in earth years). I do tend to trust the opinions of experts, and right now they are saying this action is having an effect. 🤷‍♂️

I agree with the second part tho; the proposed solutions so far are laughable at best. Perhaps some form of efficient carbon sequestration will become available soon?

I don't believe there is tons, people are taught what they are taught and people believe what they are told, experts are only experts because they have been told/taught in a particular field, problem is the field doesn't matter because if the information is wrong then the "expert" can also be wrong, just because some one with a fancy few letters next to there name says something I don't believe it with every ounce of my body, if climate change is a definite thing I'd.be more inclined to look at mass deforestation than bloody cars and fossil fuel burning 

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

I don't believe there is tons, people are taught what they are taught and people believe what they are told, experts are only experts because they have been told/taught in a particular field, problem is the field doesn't matter because if the information is wrong then the "expert" can also be wrong, just because some one with a fancy few letters next to there name says something I don't believe it with every ounce of my body, if climate change is a definite thing I'd.be more inclined to look at mass deforestation than bloody cars and fossil fuel burning 

Sure but that's how science works: the theory or even fact is only valid until new data proves otherwise, at which point it gets revised. Until then it remains the best understanding in the subject we have.

I don't agree at all with what your take on experts and expertises, which are earned (certainly does not require academia much less a PhD): https://undsci.berkeley.edu/understanding-science-101/a-scientific-approach-to-life-a-science-toolkit/beware-of-false-balance-are-the-views-of-the-scientific-community-accurately-portrayed/ 

An expert body is ever more significant, because it's when a number of different experts on the subject matter reach similar conclusions. Which is what this piece I shared calls establish science:

The solutions part is a different discussion and there is far less consensus around that, so I'd not put them in the same bucket.

Edited May 7, 2024 by robsblubot

[Fernando 6,585]

5 hours ago, robsblubot said:

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

• While Earth’s climate has changed throughout its history, the current warming is happening at a rate not seen in the past 10,000 years.
• According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), "Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."¹
• Scientific information taken from natural sources (such as ice cores, rocks, and tree rings) and from modern equipment (like satellites and instruments) all show the signs of a changing climate.
• From global temperature rise to melting ice sheets, the evidence of a warming planet abounds.

 

That does not make sense. They have only info from 1970 and yet they can compare to 10,000 years ago? 

[robsblubot 3,595]

41 minutes ago, Fernando said:

That does not make sense. They have only info from 1970 and yet they can compare to 10,000 years ago? 

Hmm it sure does (make sense), or are you suggesting that we cannot possibly know anything about the world prior to 1970 if there were no measurements for it then? because that's not the case at all. It's the same way that the Police can prove someone committed a crime even tho no-one else was present, thru evidence (forensics, DNA, etc). The page I linked calls it "Scientific evidence" but it's still evidence.

They have been doing weather-related measurements since 1970, but the measurements can go back thousands of years (thru Geology, Archeology, and other fields).
It's mentioned on the page. , "Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks"

You don't have to have been alive when the tree was young to know things about that time.
"Trees contain some of nature's most accurate evidence of the past. Their growth layers, appearing as rings in the cross section of the tree trunk, record evidence of disastrous floods, insect attacks, lightning strikes, and even earthquakes that occurred during the lifespan of the tree. They also hold excellent records of climate." https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/how-climate-works/tree-rings-and-climate

Edited May 8, 2024 by robsblubot

[cosmicway 1,333]

10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Been to Greece many times. Thessaloniki, Athens and many islands. Greeks always had reputation they don't like/want to work. And rightly so. My impression is that half population have some property by the sea they are renting in the summer and make enough money so they don't have to work in the winter. 

No they don't.
There are various traits: Property owners, bank robbers, card sharps, police, fishermen ...
They want to work because otherwise they have to beg.
And there is no permanent unemployment benefit in Greece. It's one and a half year after they have fired you from somewhere.
But the "right to work" has strict conditions attached to it related to minimum tax one has to pay.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Historical BBC racism

You recognize this character below ?
It is lieutanant Gruber (Guy Siner) from 'Allo 'Allo.

Now, this guy was the German gay officer as you all remember.
What did the BBC do then ?
In the last episode of the series it is supposed to be a farewell party with all the participants of the show
who have survived the war and are now friends.
So far so good.
But what about Gruber ?
Gruber declares that he stopped being gay and he is now married to the beautiful Helga (Kim Hartman).

Ain't that racist and homophobic ?

Edited May 8, 2024 by cosmicway

[nyikolajevics 2,703]

Just ran into a pro-Palestina protestation in Malmö, it was wild 😳 Apparently 30k people were present. And apparently there was a pro-Israel one in the city with Greta Thunberg, what a time to be alive.

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

1 hour ago, nyikolajevics said:

there was a pro-Israel one in the city with Greta Thunberg,

Pictures showing her demonstrating against the Israel genocide wearing an arab scarf

 

[Vesper 30,233]

5 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:

Just ran into a pro-Palestina protestation in Malmö, it was wild 😳 Apparently 30k people were present. And apparently there was a pro-Israel one in the city with Greta Thunberg, what a time to be alive.

because we (Sweden) are hosting Eurovision after winning it again last year

 

[nyikolajevics 2,703]

11 hours ago, Vesper said:

because we (Sweden) are hosting Eurovision after winning it again last year

 

I considered to go watch it but they are selling tickets for 1000-1200 Euros.. I underestimated big time.

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

How do you fight a dangerous enemy hiding among civilians ? Or you don't ?
How would you fight Hitler's werewolves if they were real (they were not - they gave up) ?

[NikkiCFC 8,340]

51 minutes ago, nyikolajevics said:

I considered to go watch it but they are selling tickets for 1000-1200 Euros.. I underestimated big time.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow. There was this big anti-Israel campaign at Eurovision but apparently they did amazing in televoting last night and skyrocket in odds. Second favorite now after Croatia. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

No more Eurovision for me.
In 2007 they robbed me.
Look at the song I backed:
 

Look what won:
 

You hear Lasha Tumbai now everyday, in every disco, every beach pub.
But where did you hear the Serifovic song ever again ??
The Serbian Paparigas woman has vanished into obscurity.

The utter scoundrels fixed it.
Made me support brexit but only temporarily - because I discovered the brexiteers were loony types.

What happened was this:
Lasha Tumbai price was a good 80 to 1.
Those days we did n't have Paypal in Greece but my sister had a small paypal account from when she was in the UK so she borrowed me 30 euros to make the bet with betfair.
She was n't giving me more, so I did n't cover myself with place bets (40 to 1 - not bad).

But it was a big time fraud.
I never switch the tv on since then to watch the rubbish, but I have noticed it was n't the first and only time they gave the prize to stupid songs.

 

Edited May 10, 2024 by cosmicway

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

The idea that telephone voters went to bat like that of them ays all you need to know about how Europe views Palestinians or I guess Arabs in general.

[Vesper 30,233]

2 hours ago, cosmicway said:

You hear Lasha Tumbai now everyday, in every disco, every beach pub.

You are going to the wrong clubs m8!

lololol 

[NikkiCFC 8,340]

Netherlands disqualified from Eurovision. 

22 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The idea that telephone voters went to bat like that of them ays all you need to know about how Europe views Palestinians or I guess Arabs in general.

Arena was booing Israel song but couldn't hear it on TV. They put filters. 

Eurovision main sponsor is Moroccanoil. Guess from where?

[cosmicway 1,333]

What did the Dutch do ?

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Netherlands disqualified from Eurovision. 

Arena was booing Israel song but couldn't hear it on TV. They put filters. 

Eurovision main sponsor is Moroccanoil. Guess from where?

Do Moroccans own Moroccanoil? Or is it it one of those shell countries owned by a minority from elsewhere?