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[Fernando 6,585]

18 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Another mentalist Australian thought she was jesus injected kids with acid

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4221982/The-Family-Inside-cult-led-Anne-Hamilton-Byrne.html

Yeah so much people get fooled because they don't do their research. If you read clearly the bible Jesus did said many will come and say that he is him. But don't be deceived because when he comes back every eye will see him coming from the heavens. 

Next time Jesus comes back he will come from heaven where everyone will witness him. Not some town, island, secret place etc etc. 

If only people seriously study and read the bible and apply the same principles of studying like they do any other book. Read in context, research the historical background if you so care to give you further insight. But always context should be the basis for your reasoning. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,305]

23 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Yeah so much people get fooled because they don't do their research. If you read clearly the bible Jesus did said many will come and say that he is him. But don't be deceived because when he comes back every eye will see him coming from the heavens. 

Next time Jesus comes back he will come from heaven where everyone will witness him. Not some town, island, secret place etc etc. 

If only people seriously study and read the bible and apply the same principles of studying like they do any other book. Read in context, research the historical background if you so care to give you further insight. But always context should be the basis for your reasoning. 

That GG Allins dad must have been disappointed, thought his son was Jesus, then he's smearing himself with shit and throwing it at the audience. Mental.

Do you have any idea how Jesus would reveal himself when he returns ?

 

 

[Fernando 6,585]

29 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

That GG Allins dad must have been disappointed, thought his son was Jesus, then he's smearing himself with shit and throwing it at the audience. Mental.

Do you have any idea how Jesus would reveal himself when he returns ?

 

 

From heaven, every person on earth will know, it will not be a secret, like lightning seen in heaven. 

Now when is this supposed to happen?Well according to what is written in the Bible and not some other book this will happen 3 and a half years after a particular event. 

That event is called "the abomination of desolation". What that means is that sometime in the future a world leader will go into the Jewish temple, will stop the sacrifices that are going on and declared to be God. That world leader will set up an image on the temple and declared that he is God. The Bible clearly expressed that then Jesus will come back 3 and a half years after this event. 

That being said we can see some things here first, a Jewish temple in the temple mount. First of all this things does not exist right now, so such event can't happen. Second that world leader is not here so this event can't happen right now. 

However the stage is being set for this. If you noticed Jerusalem is starting to become a great problem. It's a tough situation to handle for any country at the moment. How do we achieve peace in the middle east? 

The UN with all the resolution can't bring about anything done. Israel and Palestinian authorities cannot agree on anything. United States can't do it. But that world leader that is to come will. He will be the only one able to do, what no one else was able to do. Achieve peace and allow the Jews to build their temple. 

How is that going to be I don't know but this is what the Bible says about this event. Oh and the agreement will be for 7 years. Why 7 years in particular? I don't know that is what it said. 

So at the middle of that 7 year peace treaty is when this world leader will go into that Jewish temple, abolish the sacrifice the Jews are making and declared to be God. From that moment on this world leader will have power over all the world and will demand that he be worship or else be killed. 

That just a few stuff that is written in the Bible about the return of Jesus, what will happen before he is closed to being returned. 

So anyone that tells you Jesus is here right now, they are being fooled. Because according to the Bible certain things must happen first before he will come again. 

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[MefiX19 1,092]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

Yeah so much people get fooled because they don't do their research. If you read clearly the bible Jesus did said many will come and say that he is him. But don't be deceived because when he comes back every eye will see him coming from the heavens. 

Next time Jesus comes back he will come from heaven where everyone will witness him. Not some town, island, secret place etc etc. 

If only people seriously study and read the bible and apply the same principles of studying like they do any other book. Read in context, research the historical background if you so care to give you further insight. But always context should be the basis for your reasoning. 

How will everyone see Jesus coming from heaven if earth is round?

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40 minutes ago, MefiX19 said:

How will everyone see Jesus coming from heaven if earth is round?

Yeah, because THAT is the main logical problem with what he said!!!  

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, MefiX19 said:

How will everyone see Jesus coming from heaven if earth is round?

Technology... Internet, TV. That was not possible in the past. 

So when Jesus said that 2000 years ago most people wonder how that was possible. 

Today it is because of satellite TV, Internet, cell phones etc etc 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,058]

9 hours ago, Fernando said:

From heaven, every person on earth will know, it will not be a secret, like lightning seen in heaven. 

Now when is this supposed to happen?Well according to what is written in the Bible and not some other book this will happen 3 and a half years after a particular event. 

That event is called "the abomination of desolation". What that means is that sometime in the future a world leader will go into the Jewish temple, will stop the sacrifices that are going on and declared to be God. That world leader will set up an image on the temple and declared that he is God. The Bible clearly expressed that then Jesus will come back 3 and a half years after this event. 

That being said we can see some things here first, a Jewish temple in the temple mount. First of all this things does not exist right now, so such event can't happen. Second that world leader is not here so this event can't happen right now. 

However the stage is being set for this. If you noticed Jerusalem is starting to become a great problem. It's a tough situation to handle for any country at the moment. How do we achieve peace in the middle east? 

The UN with all the resolution can't bring about anything done. Israel and Palestinian authorities cannot agree on anything. United States can't do it. But that world leader that is to come will. He will be the only one able to do, what no one else was able to do. Achieve peace and allow the Jews to build their temple. 

How is that going to be I don't know but this is what the Bible says about this event. Oh and the agreement will be for 7 years. Why 7 years in particular? I don't know that is what it said. 

So at the middle of that 7 year peace treaty is when this world leader will go into that Jewish temple, abolish the sacrifice the Jews are making and declared to be God. From that moment on this world leader will have power over all the world and will demand that he be worship or else be killed. 

That just a few stuff that is written in the Bible about the return of Jesus, what will happen before he is closed to being returned. 

So anyone that tells you Jesus is here right now, they are being fooled. Because according to the Bible certain things must happen first before he will come again. 

There is a widely held academic belief that the entire Christ story as portrayed in the Gospels was written at the behest of Rome's Flavian emperors. This, it is argued, was done partly to legitimise their usurpation of power from the Julio-Claudians, and partly to encourage pacifistic attitudes in the Judaean territory following the recent bloody uprising.

In this line of thought the "god" who overturns the temple, and whose image is to be worshipped, is Vespasian's son, Titus. As you know, Titus led the Roman armies which put down the Jewish "rebellion" and, having done so, then destroyed the temple. The argument runs that many of these so-called prophecies were moulded specifically so that they would fit with the events of Titus's campaign. The intention clearly being that the population would see Titus as the fulfilment of the prophecies.

It can't be appropriate for me to  attempt to lay out the full argument here but if it is true then the events "foretold" in the Bible have already come to pass. In that case, any re-interpretation for the modern world would be  based on nothing more than Roman propaganda and would be fanciful . Clearly people of faith will not accept this version of events. It is a reasonably cogent case however; one that benefits from a number of supporting facets which can be claimed to be verified historically. Those who find biblical matters interesting might enjoy informing themselves about this if they are not already familiar with it.

Meanwhile, it would be a good start in the search for Middle Eastern peace if mankind were to give up it's contradictory and divisive superstitions. Superstitions which, though held deeply and fervently by billions, are no more than superstitions, and harmful ones to boot. Harmful in the sense that they continue to damage the prospects of understanding and harmony between human beings everywhere.

Of course we all know the superstitions will not be given up  easily, or quickly. Quite the opposite will be the case. People will fight, literally if need be, to hold onto them. In addition therefore to all the other things humans argue with one another about, we will still labour under the burden of this additional excuse for war and strife. I'm an optimist however. I believe that, if we can survive long enough, we will one day rid ourselves of these things.  If the human race lives on into the far future I can't believe we will carry these relics of bronze age thinking with us.

IMPORTANT: I have made significant changes to this post since it was "liked" by @Fernando. I think it is quite likely he would  want to withdraw that like when he sees those additions. I have pm'd him to apologise for this and I'm sure his like will disappear in due course. In the meantime it's my fault not his but I made those changes before I was aware he had liked the post.

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

There is a widely held academic belief that the entire Christ story as portrayed in the Gospels was written at the behest of Rome's Flavian emperors. This, it is argued, was done partly to legitimise their usurpation of power from the Julio-Claudians, and partly to encourage pacifistic attitudes in the Judaean territory following the recent bloody uprising.

In this line of thought the "god" who overturns the temple, and whose image is to be worshipped, is Vespasian's son, Titus. As you know, Titus led the Roman armies which put down the Jewish "rebellion" and, having done so, then destroyed the temple. The argument runs that many of these so-called prophecies were moulded specifically so that they would fit with the events of Titus's campaign. The intention clearly being that the population would see Titus as the fulfilment of the prophecies.

It can't be appropriate for me to  attempt to lay out the full argument here but if it is true then the events "foretold" in the Bible have already come to pass. In that case, any re-interpretation for the modern world would be  based on nothing more than Roman propaganda and would be fanciful . Clearly people of faith will not accept this version of events. It is a reasonably cogent case however; one that benefits from a number of supporting facets which can be claimed to be verified historically. Those who find biblical matters interesting might enjoy informing themselves about this if they are not already familiar with it.

Meanwhile, it would be a good start in the search for Middle Eastern peace if mankind were to give up it's contradictory and divisive superstitions. Superstitions which, though fervently and deeply held by billions, are no more than superstitions, and harmful ones to boot. Harmful in the sense that they continue to damage the prospects of understanding and harmony between human beings everywhere.

Of course we all know the superstitions will not be given up. Quite the opposite will be the case. People will fight, literally if need be, to hold onto them. In addition therefore to all the other things humans argue with one another about, we will still labour under the burden of this additional excuse for war and strife. I'm an optimist however. I believe that, if we can survive long enough, we will one day rid ourselves of these things.  If the human race lives on into the far future I can't believe we will carry these relics of bronze age thinking with us.

IMPORTANT: I have made significant changes to this post since it was "liked" by @Fernando. I think it is quite likely he would  want to withdraw that like when he sees those additions. I have pm'd him to apologise for this and I'm sure his like will disappear in due course. In the meantime it's my fault not his but I made those changes before I was aware he had liked the post.

No i liked your honest answer. 

This is not the first time I heard of something similar about the Gospel. 

But they forget one thing most of those coming with all these theory. Anything that is recorded in the gospel, 90% of it is nothing new. In fact majority of these things was written long before the gospel or Jesus appeared. They was written in the Torah and prophets. Which today we would called the old testament. The old testament "prophesied" about the coming time of Jesus and his works. 

Many of the writings of the old testament go way beyond the Roman empire ever existed. In fact the "prophecy" I mentioned about Jesus second coming, majority of it as well come from the old testament. Jesus quotes even from the book of Daniel an old Testament prophecy. 

So that's one mistake they don't realize. 

Second after the Roman empire disbursed the Jewish nation, many people believed that God had forsaken their people the Jews. In fact that's when "replacement theology" emerge. That the "church" had replaced Israel and that god no longer cared about the Jewish people. That belief was very strong till say 1948 when Israel was formed as a nation in one day. Then this theory had to be discarded because it was clear that god was not done with the Jews, and in fact the old testament had many prophecies of this event that was a mystery for many people. 

And thirdly the life of Jesus and crucifixion is attested by many historians, not just in the gospel. Flavius Josephus a famous Jewish historian makes reference of Jesus the man. Mind you the Jews don't believe in Jesus, and they have no reason to report anything about him. There's other like Tacitus, Pliny the younger, Lucian and much more. 

That being said history does shows that Jesus existed. Now the debated point is not that he existed or was crucified, but did he actually rose from the dead as the gospel mentions? Well that is for another talk. 

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9 hours ago, MefiX19 said:

How will everyone see Jesus coming from heaven if earth is round?

1. Your invisible friend "Jesus" is complete fiction

 

2. The earth is not round

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/

[OhForAGreavsie 6,058]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

No i liked your honest answer. 

This is not the first time I heard of something similar about the Gospel. 

But they forget one thing most of those coming with all these theory. Anything that is recorded in the gospel, 90% of it is nothing new. In fact majority of these things was written long before the gospel or Jesus appeared. They was written in the Torah and prophets. Which today we would called the old testament. The old testament "prophesied" about the coming time of Jesus and his works. 

Many of the writings of the old testament go way beyond the Roman empire ever existed. In fact the "prophecy" I mentioned about Jesus second coming, majority of it as well come from the old testament. Jesus quotes even from the book of Daniel an old Testament prophecy. 

So that's one mistake they don't realize. 

Second after the Roman empire disbursed the Jewish nation, many people believed that God had forsaken their people the Jews. In fact that's when "replacement theology" emerge. That the "church" had replaced Israel and that god no longer cared about the Jewish people. That belief was very strong till say 1948 when Israel was formed as a nation in one day. Then this theory had to be discarded because it was clear that god was not done with the Jews, and in fact the old testament had many prophecies of this event that was a mystery for many people. 

And thirdly the life of Jesus and crucifixion is attested by many historians, not just in the gospel. Flavius Josephus a famous Jewish historian makes reference of Jesus the man. Mind you the Jews don't believe in Jesus, and they have no reason to report anything about him. There's other like Tacitus, Pliny the younger, Lucian and much more. 

That being said history does shows that Jesus existed. Now the debated point is not that he existed or was crucified, but did he actually rose from the dead as the gospel mentions? Well that is for another talk. 

Ah, OK. Thank you.

 An interesting reply.

In fact the "Titus" argument takes full account of the old Testament. If you are fully conversant with it I won't waste your time, but, if you would find it useful, I will post a link to a YouTube video in which the argument is set out in detail. Let me know.

I dispute your claim that there is historical proof for the existence of Jesus. There is not, but never mind my viewpoint. The claim would also be disputed by many academics. For example Josephus is not a good source. Some of his supposed writing concerning Jesus, and there isn't much of it, is almost universally accepted to have been forged. In any case he has no original sources to rely on and merely reports what he has been told by third parties. His writing contains no independent corroboration and no attempt at any.  Tacitus is better in that he seems to be writing more independently and with an undeniable belief in the truth of what he relates particularly with reference to the crucifixion. He makes mistakes which lay him open to the question however and, given that he was writing about 70 years after the events and focusing his attention on period roughly 30 years after the events, he has that same problem with sources. No historical records exist, none, which can unquestionably be said to prove that Jesus is an historical figure.

That said, I personally do believe that Jesus lived. Although, I repeat, this is not because I accept any so-called historical evidence. Rather I infer it from what has grown out of his life. The argument goes that there is not likely to have been all this fuss had there not been a real man to base it on. I therefore accept that a rabbi called Jesus (or the Aramaic equivalent) once taught in Palestine. That's about it however in regards to what I believe about Jesus. :-)

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I like how we live in bizarro post-Obama parallel-timeline and my proof is David Duke supporting Keith Ellison.

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12 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

His dad christened him Jesus Christ Allin, thought he'd be the messiah

http://www.theladbible.com/now/weird-gg-allin-the-man-shat-himself-on-stage-and-smeared-it-on-his-face-20170213

I guess his infamy didn't really reach the UK. He is pretty famous stateside.

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Ah, OK. Thank you.

 An interesting reply.

In fact the "Titus" argument takes full account of the old Testament. If you are fully conversant with it I won't waste your time, but, if you would find it useful, I will post a link to a YouTube video in which the argument is set out in detail. Let me know.

I dispute your claim that there is historical proof for the existence of Jesus. There is not, but never mind my viewpoint. The claim would also be disputed by many academics. For example Josephus is not a good source. Some of his supposed writing concerning Jesus, and there isn't much of it, is almost universally accepted to have been forged. In any case he has no original sources to rely on and merely reports what he has been told by third parties. His writing contains no independent corroboration and no attempt at any.  Tacitus is better in that he seems to be writing more independently and with an undeniable belief in the truth of what he relates particularly with reference to the crucifixion. He makes mistakes which lay him open to the question however and, given that he was writing about 70 years after the events and focusing his attention on period roughly 30 years after the events, he has that same problem with sources. No historical records exist, none, which can unquestionably be said to prove that Jesus is an historical figure.

That said, I personally do believe that Jesus lived. Although, I repeat, this is not because I accept any so-called historical evidence. Rather I infer it from what has grown out of his life. The argument goes that there is not likely to have been all this fuss had there not been a real man to base it on. I therefore accept that a rabbi called Jesus (or the Aramaic equivalent) once taught in Palestine. That's about it however in regards to what I believe about Jesus. :-)

Please do share. I want to see what they are talking about in detail. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,058]

4 hours ago, Fernando said:

Please do share. I want to see what they are talking about in detail. 

Gladly, but be warned that for "detailed" you should read "long". The video lasts nearly 3 hours but you did ask. :-)

I wonder if you would do something for me in return please? Do you know of any material which argues from your side of the case? Something which perhaps debunks the Titus storyline, or else any material which you would recommend me to view/read? It seems only fair that if you are going to put in three hours investigating the claims of those who take an opposite view to your own, that I should be prepared to take up a similar challenge. :-)

The link:-