Politics & Stuff

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22 minutes ago, Vesper said:

You do not need a full blown centralised state apparatus to prevent war between democracies. You also certainly do not need nor want a unified currency scheme (the euro) for 19 nation states, yet each with their own fiscal policy at domestic levels.

Germany has been the huge winner in the euro sweepstakes, as it is a massive exporting nation, thus needs a cheap currency to keep acceptable profit margins. With all the turmoil, if Germany still had the Deutsche Mark, it would be blown sky high on the FOREX markets (say 3 quid or more to mark) and Germany's export profits would be eviscerated.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have the PIGS nations who have been forced into suicidal bouts of austerity regimes, just to keep their books in balance under the ever-watching eye of the ECB (in Germany! Of course).

The EU and the euro were always a contrivance of the banks, by the banks, and for the banks, with multinational predatory capitalism in a synchopated goose-step.

Their are plenty of other confederations of our continent that can be implemented without the loss of sovereignty, fiscal-monetary linkage breakdown, and the socio-cultural upheaval that is tearing peoples apart at a domestic poltical level.

But England was not part of the euro currency. About Germany winning, in general, countries which are good at technical fields and innovation do better in capitalist system.

I don't know all the details I am sure many of the laws and regulations are in favor of corporations instead of public, it is even worse in the US. I am just not sure that every country leaving the EU would make things better for Europe.

 

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41 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

But England was not part of the euro currency. About Germany winning, in general, countries which are good at technical fields and innovation do better in capitalist system.

I don't know all the details I am sure many of the laws and regulations are in favor of corporations instead of public, it is even worse in the US. I am just not sure that every country leaving the EU would make things better for Europe.

 

It wouldn't be a complete dissolution, obviously. Of the euro, yes, but not of some sort of continental compact. Something along the the the European Economic Community perhaps. Having lived in the US for a couple of years whilst reading for my MBA, I can assure you we do not want to go down the United States of Europe route. The Ameri an federalist system is approaching an inflection point sometime over the next 20 years or so where it will be in danger of a breakdown spiral.

Their lower house (House of Representaives) is linked to their elections of their Presidents via the Elecroral College. The number of electors is 538, which is arrived at by adding the number of high house (The Senate, 2 per state x 50 states) seats, 100, plus the number of lower house seats, 435, plus 3 for their Capitol, the District of Columbia. 

The problem is, they have not truly increased the size of their House of Representatives since 1913, when the population was only 100 million. It is close to 330 million now, with no increase in House size.

This has meant that the largest states are short-changed in number of House members (and thus Electoral College votes for President, which is completely why Trump won from a systemic standpoint) to the point where one Wyoming (smallest state in population) POTUS Electoral vote is worth almost FOUR California Electoral votes. 

Not only does this effect their Presidential races, but law making as well, as the small states carry far too much power in the House.

The largest states are almost all Democratic Party-dominated in nature, with the exception of Texas, and, to a lesser extent, Florida. These large states and large cities in general keep growing, yet lose more and more voting power each year. I call it constitutional kettling (after the police action of kettling mob crowds by splitting them up, then pushing them into dead end streets).

Combined with ultra dodgy gerrymandering of House districts, and also horrid voter suppression, it has allowed the RW Republican party to be vastly OVER represented at the Federal and also state levels.

The real nail in the coffin will come in terms of their Senate, fixed at 100 seats, 2 per state, no matter how big or small. Due to population drift and growth, by the early to mid 2030's or so, 30% of the US population will control SEVENTY percent (70 seats) of the Senate. 70% percent of the population will only have 30% (30 seats) of the Senate.

That tiny minority controlling 70 seats is mostly made up of a much more rural, poorer, much more white, conservative, fundie religious, less educated populace (ie it will be far more RW than the vast majority of the nation.)

Again, this will result in incredible overrepresented numbers of RW Republicans. The Senate confirms the third branch of government in the US, their federal courts, most importantly their Supreme Court, which is already skewed to the right,  and may end up 8 conservatives, only 1 liberal if Trump is re-elected, or even before, it the old-aged liberals and the one with bad diabetes die in the next 2 years.

Their national union simply cannot absorb these incoming further electoral distortions and remain whole with dramatic changes, but most would take a Constitutional Amendment, which, under their system is insanely hard to do.

There is one that doesnt (and this doesnt NOTHING to sort their Senate issues): raise the size of the House of Representatives from 435 to at least 1001 or more and thus you can much more equally distribute law making and Electoral College voting power. It only takes an Act of Congress, but the small states and especially the Republicans (who have ruthlessly, brilliantly, and often illegally gamed the American governmental system over the last 50 os so years) will viscously fight that increase in House seats.

I leave you with this thought. IF the US House had the same number of constituents per member that the UK House of Commons does, it would 3,250 seats. If it had the same as here in Sweden, it wouldn't have 435 members, it would have over TWELVE THOUSAND. 

They are headed for a breakup by 2040 or so, surely by 2050 unless massive changes are made.

 

 

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3 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Vesper do you think Europeans would be better off if there was no EU? I thought one of the main purposes is to prevent another world war. 

The historical roots of the European Union lie in the Second World War. Europeans are determined to prevent such killing and destruction from ever happening ... From https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/history/1945-1959_en

lol

NATO aiint going anywhere

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

You do not need a full blown centralised state apparatus at continental level to prevent wars between genuine democracies. You also certainly do not need nor want a unified currency scheme (the euro) for 19 nation states, yet each with their own fiscal policy at domestic levels.

Germany has been the huge winner in the euro sweepstakes, as it is a massive exporting nation, thus needs a cheap currency to keep acceptable profit margins. With all the turmoil, if Germany still had the Deutsche Mark, it would be blown sky high on the FOREX markets (say 3 quid or more to mark) and Germany's export profits would be eviscerated.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have the PIGS nations who have been forced into suicidal bouts of austerity regimes, just to keep their books in balance under the ever-watching eye of the ECB (in Germany! Of course).

The EU and the euro were always a contrivance of the banks, by the banks, and for the banks, with multinational predatory capitalism in a synchopated goose-step.

Their are plenty of other confederations of our continent that can be implemented without the loss of sovereignty, fiscal-monetary linkage breakdown, and the socio-cultural upheaval that is tearing peoples apart at a domestic poltical level.

NATO keeps russia leashed 

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1 minute ago, Warning_Hazard said:

NATO keeps russia leashed 

NATO is obviously not the same thing as the EU. Thank dog we here are not in it. A true force of empiric evil. Exhibit number one (of many) is Libya.

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Just now, Vesper said:

NATO is obviously not the same thing as the EU. Thank dog we here are not in it. A true force of empiric evil. Exhibit number one (of many) is Libya.

lmfao

wtf

NATO prevents russia doing anything and keeps europe safe.

libya was always fecked, ive toured africa and got my NATO badge.

You sound like a russian

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4 hours ago, Warning_Hazard said:

lmfao

wtf

NATO prevents russia doing anything and keeps europe safe.

libya was always fecked, ive toured africa and got my NATO badge.

You sound like a russian

Libya was pure murder war, the coup d'etat of a legitimate government that had raised its staggeringly poor and backward nation up to the highest standard of living on the entire continent. It was a pure bankster/petrol takeout because Quaddafi wanted to nationalise their oil, and also want to leave the BIS controlled/manipulated central banking system and put their currency into a state of hard backing via gold reserves,  thus innoculating them from systemic manipulation by the BIS, IMG, World Bank and of course BP and Royal Dutch Shell.

One minute Blair is hugging Moammar, the next the US/UK/NATO is blowing the country back to the stone age in many parts, killing thousands of civilians, unleashing Al Queada/ISIS there to a never before seen level (Benghazi and other eastern parts of Libya have the highest level of AQ/ISIS participation vis-a-vis population of any other area on the planet) , and causing a THIRD  of the country to flee as refugees.

All to the tune of neolibcon empiric war slag Hillary Clinton cackling 'We came, we saw, he died'

Oh and Israel was then able to gangster up on Libya's Great Man-made River (amazing engineering feat) water supply too, something they had coveted since it was built.

So yes, fuck NATO.

If Russia went into Canada and Mexico and ringed the USA borders with thousands of short and midrange nukes (like NATO and the US client states have done to it), the earth would already be glassed.

No I am NOT a Russian. Not pro Russian. I am just anti empire and most assuredly anti war.

Its all a mug's game for 99.9999% of humanity, with bankster puppet strings worldwide used in an endless kabuki theatre of death and ever-upward, ever more narrowly focused wealth extraction.

3 blokes, Bezos, Gates, and Buffett have more wealth than the bottom 55% of all humans. 3  people versus 4.25 BILLION people.

 

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36 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Libya was pure murder war, the coup d'etat of a legitimate government that had raised its staggeriny poor and backward nation up to the highest standard of living on the entire continent. It was a pure bankster/petrol takeout because Quaddafi wanted to nationalise their oil, and also want to leave the BIS controlled/manipulated central banking system and put their currency into a state of hard backing via gold reserves,  thus innoculating them from systemic manipulation by the BIS, IMG, World Bank and of course BP and Royal Dutch Shell.

One minute Blair is hugging Moammar, the next the US/UK/NATO is blowing the country back to the stone age in many parts, killing thousands of civilians, unleashing Al Queada/ISIS there to a never before seen level (Benghazi and other eastern parts of Libya have the highest level of AQ/ISIS participation vis-a-vis population of any other area on the planet) , and causing a THIRD  of the country to flee as refugees.

All to the tune of neolibcon empiric war slag Hillary Clinton cackling 'We came, we saw, he died'

Oh and Israel was then able to gangster up on Libya's Great Man-made River (amazing engineering feat) water supply too, something they had coveted since it was built.

So yes, fuck NATO.

If Russia went into Canada and Mexico and ringed the USA borders with thousands of short and midrange nukes (like NATO and the US client states have done to it), the earth would already be glassed.

No I am NOT a Russian. Not pro Russian. I am just anti empire and most assuredly anti war.

Its all a mug's game for 99.9999% of humanity, with bankster puppet strings worldwide used in an endless kabuki theatre of death and ever-upward, ever more narrowly focused wealth extraction.

3 blokes, Bezos, Gates, and Buffett have more wealth than the bottom 55% of all humans. 3  people versus 4.25 BILLION people.

 

LOL

Im not going to bite as loads of this is pure conspiracy and bs

eaths also flat and aliens visit daily too

Without NATO you wouldn't exist miss european!

lets chill lol

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1 hour ago, Warning_Hazard said:

lol

NATO aiint going anywhere

Trump already said Nato is obsolete. It is very likely that in near future some European countries will elect populists with similar views on Nato.

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7 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

Trump already said Nato is obsolete. It is very likely that in near future some European countries will elect populists with similar views on Nato.

NATO is so not obsolete in this era of hackers hacking NATO nations on the daily.

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

I am just anti empire and most assuredly anti war.

That's very nice. You know who is not anti-war.

Why Is Russia Simulating Nuclear Strikes on Sweden?

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1 hour ago, Warning_Hazard said:

LOL

Im not going to bite as loads of this is pure conspiracy and bs

eaths also flat and aliens visit daily too

Without NATO you wouldn't exist miss european!

lets chill lol

There is ZERO in any of what I said that is remotely of a conspiratorial nature. Literally nothing. Ridiculous and pathetic deflection from your end. 

Done here for now.

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1 hour ago, 11Drogba said:

Trump already said Nato is obsolete. It is very likely that in near future some European countries will elect populists with similar views on Nato.

Trump also said grab 'em by the pussy. Donald is a Russian intelligence asset, what he says doesn't represent USA. His future is impeachment and prison.

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

There is ZERO in any of what I said that is remotely of a conspiratorial nature. Literally nothing. Ridiculous and pathetic deflection from your end. 

Done here for now.

oh dear personal insults and insulting all the men and women in uniform! Classic libtard talk

NATO is keeping europe alive.

STFU with your nonsense

what have you done in your life to help a thing?

anti war? LMAO

go back to school

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2 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Trump already said Nato is obsolete. It is very likely that in near future some European countries will elect populists with similar views on Nato.

trump wont even be president soon

USA fund large part of NATO for their own interests just like they help isreal - one of the best militarys in the world

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USA also only nation to ever actually use NATO properly.

its a deterrent 

 

but what do i know!

Anyone want a free unicorn and leprechauns?!!

fail

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also anyone who believes a word trump or putin says needs to reassess thier entire life 

[Vesper 30,270]

Don't you ever tell me to STFU again.

Show me one false thing I have said in this entire conversation. None of what I said is out of the mainstream academic thought. It is just contrarian to pro war propaganda from the likes of the Atlantic Council and other historically blood-soaked agents of the eternal quest for a never-ending casus belli.

All you do is rattle and prattle off the same simple-minded agitprop and sloganeering over and over and somehow think that that has advanced your argument one iota. It is laughable and yet sad, oh so sad.

You sound like a barking dog and probably on a good day have an IQ that might give a French Bulldog a run for its money.

Go back to school? Me?

I have more degrees than you have inches in yer todger at full engorgement.

 

It is thuggish wankers like you who make me miss living full-time in England less and less each year

You are out of your league sunshine, pack it in before you embarrass yourself further.

You are the one who instantly got all argy bargy, btw. If anyone reading this doubts me, go follow the thread up.

Lastly, don't EVER tell me to STFU again. 

I have to repeat it because repetitive positing of concepts is basic pedagogical practice to try insure cognitive imprinting of the desired outcome on the learning disabled.