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[kellzfresh 7,229]

Have you also read about the new sex ed programmes that are being forced on families where children are taught all kinds of things regarding sexuality from a young age? Do you really want more sexual confusion in this era? Do you want to force children of traditional families to accept what these families consider 'immoral behaviour'? These reasons and what Fernando stated are why people are furious that their religious freedom is under attack. Essentially this is an attack on Christian morality (I'm personally Hindu and Hinduism states nothing regarding homosexuality, if anything gay rights activists claim Hinduism tolerates homosexuality).

What about Christian skepticism regarding the following? How long until the supreme court legalises those as well (and no I'm not saying that homosexuals are any of the things stated below!)

"If homosexual marriage is universally accepted as the present step in sexual freedom, what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behavior?"

A perfect example of how undemocratically legalising something causes strife.... Clearly it would have been better if states were allowed to deal with this matter themselves....

If you're gonna legalise gay marriage, make sure the states decide that! If anything, conservative states are right to think that this is discrimination against them.

As for brainwashing, there is no brainwashing against gay marriage. Schools now have major programmes to promote homosexuality and as well as all kinds of Gay-Straight Alliances. The only people discriminated against now are the ones who want to protect traditional marriage, anyone who even dares stand up for their beliefs is punished by the 'GAYstapo'. Have you been reading about all the religious families who've had their ENTIRE CAREERS RUINED because they refused to serve a gay couple as it opposed their religious beliefs? There are countless stories of this, people's careers ruined by the politically correct because they stood up for what they believed was the morally correct......

Look at some of the horrific and disgusting things said about religious people. Imagine if someone religious said this about homosexuals? We'd never hear the end of it! The media would be on it for days! The media loves creating this picture of a victim and a victimiser for publicity, when in reality there are just as many anti-Christian bigots on the pro-gay side of things.

CNN (something which they themselves accepted) did more to promote the legalisation of gay marriage than to protect the definition of marriage. So NO! There is no brainwashing occurring to protect marriage, if anything you could claim the complete opposite.

And no I don't receive FOX News ;p (as a matter of fact I don't even watch TV) and all my views are entirely my own and I don't mindlessly follow everyone else or jump onto bandwagons (something which you could ask my friends about in depth lol regarding new trends like selfies, snapchat etc which I refuse to take part in) Furthermore, there are quite a few atheists who believe in traditional marriage too, so this isn't just a 'baseless religious belief' as many like to label it. One of my close friends is an atheists who supports traditional marriage.

I'm with you on how anyone who defends their religious beliefs is now scrutinized, lose jobs and careers are ended by making any statement that remotely criticizes gays even by 1%.

It's getting to crazy levels now, racism is a far bigger issue and has never been given this kind of support. What happens to dedicated Christian institutions who say they don't want gays to wed in their church?? Will they now be forced to betray the religion which was followed from founding forefathers of America till current descendants???? Let's just hope they will marry in court and not force churches to wed them, otherwise it'll be a disaster.

I was on a political forum where they said a restaurant in Alabama or Indiana (can't remember) was sued and shut down because they refused to sell cake and to a gay couple, because they feel a moral right to their religion. Luckily Christians donated to them to prevent them from losing their whole life's worth.

[Stingray 9,441]

Ah well, belgium had gay marriage since 2003, holland since 2001. No divine vengeance here. Be normal, people should be treated equal. Period.

[NishC300 1,865]

ALSO: Linking homosexuality with incest, pedophilia and bestiality is bad form. There are HUGE differences. Consent being the big one. Homosexuality is exhibited throughout the animal kingdom (read: nature) as well, so there's an argument there for whether it be 'unnatural' or not.

EDIT: I know you aren't saying they are, but I mean that, that is the argument that would stop the next steps, if you get my drift.

Well in many cases of pedphilia there is consent by the kid (wasn't that what allegedly happened in the Adam Johnson case [even though I think it turned out to be a hoax by an attention seeking kid]), also I don't really know how you can understand whether the animal accepts it or not in zoophilia ;p

But the issue is that other sterile relationships like let's say two sisters just happily living together could claim they are married so they can get state marriage benefits.

I'm with you on how anyone who defends their religious beliefs is now scrutinized, lose jobs and careers are ended by making any statement that remotely criticizes gays even by 1%.

It's getting to crazy levels now, racism is a far bigger issue and has never been given this kind of support. What happens to dedicated Christian institutions who say they don't want gays to wed in their church?? Will they now be forced to betray the religion which was followed from founding forefathers of America till current descendants???? Let's just hope they will marry in court and not force churches to wed them, otherwise it'll be a disaster.

I was on a political forum where they said a restaurant in Alabama or Indiana (can't remember) was sued and shut down because they refused to sell cake and to a gay couple, because they feel a moral right to their religion. Luckily Christians donated to them to prevent them from losing their whole life's worth.

And then they say Christian Conservatives are ridiculous when they say there is an attack on Christianity. I'm not Christian but some of this discrimination is worrying. The problem is people show little sympathy for those they don't agree with, as if they're not human.....

It's all part of this new era of political correctness. Where we have to pretend to be offended by everything. This is ofc according to progressives is 'progress'. Recently I read an article on how feminists ruined a scientist's career because he cracked some joke about his wife or something. Will try and find that article.

Ah well, belgium had gay marriage since 2003, holland since 2001. No divine vengeance here. Be normal, people should be treated equal. Period.

How about the religious institutions that are now being bullied by the left?

Pretty sure they call it defensive measures, seeing that Isis have said that UK targets are next.

Indeed, people need to realise that the only reason we have 'peace' is because there are people out there making sure we do...... We sit around in peace because other risk their lives and are out there guarding our borders and protecting our freedom.

That's one of the reasons I find cutting defence spending quite shocking.

[CeleryFC 373]

Well in many cases of pedphilia there is consent by the kid (wasn't that what allegedly happened in the Adam Johnson case [even though I think it turned out to be a hoax by an attention seeking kid]), also I don't really know how you can understand whether the animal accepts it or not in zoophilia ;p

But the issue is that other sterile relationships like let's say two sisters just happily living together could claim they are married so they can get state marriage benefits.

Children can't consent. That's why there is an age of consent, because they're vulnerable and don't fully understand. Adam Johnson was alleged to have groomed her though (something I imagine they must have had some kind of evidence of first), I don't know if anything has come out of it though, or if the case is still going on. Thats the thing with paedophiles though, they can manipulate children into thinking they want it too. And I won't accept "she/he came on to me first!", children can't consent.

And no, animals can't consent either.

I don't think it'll ever be accepted that two siblings can get married just to get marriage benefits. For a start thats not why homosexuals get married either (it might sometimes be a factor, but its not the reason). The difference in romantic love (which both gay and straight couples share) and platonic or familial is pretty bloody obvious too.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Damn, when smart people are actually huge fools. Looking at you Nish. Shame on you pushing homophobic rhetoric that has been shot down again and again.

[Fernando 6,585]

Is there any statistic to how gay couple that have children grow up?

I have heard that some gay parents violate the kids...Don't know if this is true, that's why I want to know what statistic are there?

Is there any proof that a same sex marriage is a good environment to raise up kids?

Please do post.

Thanks.

[Stingray 9,441]

How about the religious institutions that are now being bullied by the left?

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That doesnt really happen tbh. The church here is ok with gay marriage. Cardinal Danneels said it publicly, even conservative Cardinal Leonard said he approved.

We even have an openly gay priest (Rudy Borremans). He only had some issues with the church cause he wasnt celibatary.

A lil tolerance goes a long way. Why would the left want to bully the church, they are ok with it now (this counts for a lot of european countries (the dark blue - light blue is other forms of recognised gay partnership)

[Fernando 6,585]

That doesnt really happen tbh. The church here is ok with gay marriage. Cardinal Danneels said it publicly, even conservative Cardinal Leonard said he approved.

We even have an openly gay priest (Rudy Borremans). He only had some issues with the church cause he wasnt celibatary.

A lil tolerance goes a long way. Why would the left want to bully the church, they are ok with it now (this counts for a lot of european countries (the dark blue - light blue is other forms of recognised gay partnership)

Yes there's no problem with a church that says it's okay.

What about the church that refuses to marry a gay couple?

What is the legal process for such thing?

[Stingray 9,441]

Yes there's no problem with a church that says it's okay.

What about the church that refuses to marry a gay couple?

What is the legal process for such thing?

Ow but it is a legal marriage only. Not in church.

[Fernando 6,585]

Ow but it is a legal marriage only. Not in church.

So you telling me a gay couple that goes to a church and they want to get married but they can't won't be a problem?

Your telling me that the gay couple is not going to sue the church for discriminating their right to marry in the church?

Because that church does not honor such marriage?

[NishC300 1,865]

Children can't consent. That's why there is an age of consent, because they're vulnerable and don't fully understand. Adam Johnson was alleged to have groomed her though (something I imagine they must have had some kind of evidence of first), I don't know if anything has come out of it though, or if the case is still going on. Thats the thing with paedophiles though, they can manipulate children into thinking they want it too. And I won't accept "she/he came on to me first!", children can't consent.

And no, animals can't consent either.

I don't think it'll ever be accepted that two siblings can get married just to get marriage benefits. For a start thats not why homosexuals get married either (it might sometimes be a factor, but its not the reason). The difference in romantic love (which both gay and straight couples share) and platonic or familial is pretty bloody obvious too.

but then you have straight couples who are relatives as well? Many people simply marry their relatives too.

Is there any statistic to how gay couple that have children grow up?

I have heard that some gay parents violate the kids...Don't know if this is true, that's why I want to know what statistic are there?

Is there any proof that a same sex marriage is a good environment to raise up kids?

Please do post.

Thanks.

Here was a court case in which the children testified against their parents.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/children-gay-parents-testify-against-same-sex-marriage

That doesnt really happen tbh. The church here is ok with gay marriage. Cardinal Danneels said it publicly, even conservative Cardinal Leonard said he approved.

We even have an openly gay priest (Rudy Borremans). He only had some issues with the church cause he wasnt celibatary.

A lil tolerance goes a long way. Why would the left want to bully the church, they are ok with it now (this counts for a lot of european countries (the dark blue - light blue is other forms of recognised gay partnership)

Would recommend quite a few people to see the potential scenarios for bigotry against religious people. I'm not ofc claming all gays are like this, but this could open the door for attacking people's religious freedom.

Damn, when smart people are actually huge fools. Looking at you Nish. Shame on you pushing homophobic rhetoric that has been shot down again and again.

Homophobic rhetoric? How is claiming that the SCOTUS has no right to legalise same sex marriage but is something that should be decided by states - homophobic? Goodness me, classic tactics to just begin name calling when people run out of arguments.....

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I'm with you on how anyone who defends their religious beliefs is now scrutinized, lose jobs and careers are ended by making any statement that remotely criticizes gays even by 1%.

It's getting to crazy levels now, racism is a far bigger issue and has never been given this kind of support. What happens to dedicated Christian institutions who say they don't want gays to wed in their church?? Will they now be forced to betray the religion which was followed from founding forefathers of America till current descendants???? Let's just hope they will marry in court and not force churches to wed them, otherwise it'll be a disaster.

I was on a political forum where they said a restaurant in Alabama or Indiana (can't remember) was sued and shut down because they refused to sell cake and to a gay couple, because they feel a moral right to their religion. Luckily Christians donated to them to prevent them from losing their whole life's worth.

Read this article on why a gay couple sued a bakery for causing 'mental rape'. It forced that bakery to shut down and the owners went bankrupt.

In their lawsuit, the two women claimed they felt “mentally raped,” as part of a list of 88 symptoms of emotional distress they experienced at being refused a cake.

The long list of symptoms included “acute loss of confidence,” “doubt,” “excessive sleep,” “felt mentally raped, dirty and shameful,” “high blood pressure,” “impaired digestion,” “loss of appetite,” “migraine headaches,” “pale and sick at home after work,” “resumption of smoking habit,” “shock,” “stunned,” “surprise,” “uncertainty,” “weight gain” and “worry.”

Link in spoilers

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/26/lesbian-couple-accuses-christian-bakers-of-mental-rape-awarded-135000/

btw on a lighter note, here's a video on how 'Nazi' some of this treatment of these bakers is,

[Stingray 9,441]

So you telling me a gay couple that goes to a church and they want to get married but they can't won't be a problem?

Your telling me that the gay couple is not going to sue the church for discriminating their right to marry in the church?

Because that church does not honor such marriage?

1. Yes. They have a civil wedding (church weddings have no legal power here)

2. No they won't. The only legal marriage is the civil one

3. The church does. Hence the cardinals saying it is ok.

[CeleryFC 373]

Is there any statistic to how gay couple that have children grow up?

I have heard that some gay parents violate the kids...Don't know if this is true, that's why I want to know what statistic are there?

Is there any proof that a same sex marriage is a good environment to raise up kids?

Please do post.

Thanks.

I don't know any statistics, but I do know two people with gay parents and they are both amazing individuals, and they both cite their parents as important factors in who they are. The process of adoption, and even surrogacy is often very long and difficult, and gay couples that really want children go through a lot to get them. This would make for incredibly loving parents in most cases. There is NO correlation between child abuse (either sexual or physical) and having gay parents though, and plenty of straight parents abuse their children as it is.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/lesbians-child-abuse-0-percent_n_781624.htmlthis article while only focussing on lesbian parents is positive though

but then you have straight couples who are relatives as well? Many people simply marry their relatives too.

I'm reluctant to have an opinion against relationships involving consenting adults, (their business is their business) but incestuous and even distant relatives being a couple is really rare where I'm from. Marrying blood relatives isn't allowed here, apart from your first cousin I think, which they only allowed fairly recently. I think the issue with blood relatives is the chances of birth defects if you have children? Entirely not the same vein as not allowing gay people to marry.

[iseah100 5,612]

Is there any statistic to how gay couple that have children grow up?

I have heard that some gay parents violate the kids...Don't know if this is true, that's why I want to know what statistic are there?

Is there any proof that a same sex marriage is a good environment to raise up kids?

Please do post.

Thanks.

What the fuck is this even? Oh my. Gay parents violate kids? I'm done.

[DavidEU 2,023]

Is there any statistic to how gay couple that have children grow up?

I have heard that some gay parents violate the kids...Don't know if this is true, that's why I want to know what statistic are there?

Is there any proof that a same sex marriage is a good environment to raise up kids?

Please do post.

Thanks.

Is this genuinely serious? Jesus.

The only way I can make homosexuality any clearer to you is this. You know how you fancy women? I have the exact same feelings, the exact same emotions, the same love towards men. That's it. No other differences.

And I deserve to get married and have children. Just like you deserve too.