Politics & Stuff

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Fulham Broadway, what's the story of the activists that have shut down the Elbit factory in Kent?

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

@Fulham Broadway, what's the story of the activists that have shut down the Elbit factory in Kent?

Had to look it up tbh

Its good though isnt it ? Just shows what a few people can do-imagine if we all did stuff, the 1% would be fucked

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Hello, everyone! My name is Ilnur, Chelsea fan from St.Petersburg. Didn't used forums for a long time, but I'm a bit nervous about today's game, so I entered here to read some comments.

You're welcome to ask me anything about Russia, if you're interested in it (think there are a lot of stereotypes i drink vodka very rarely and don't have bear in my apartment).

Hope my english is okay! =)

Welcome. Your English is okay.

I'm asking a lot of questions I hope it won't be too much.

I wanted a Russian's view on the situation in Russia, because I've only heard from the USA /Ukrainian side.

Is the economy really terrible now in Russia or is the western media exaggerating the situation?? The western media say people are suffering and even losing their homes because of the sanctions. But I know people who make money from selling imported goods have been hit the most by the sanctions. What is the real situation going on there??

What is Putin doing to fight back the sanctions? The only one I know was him reducing imports from Usa, trying to abandon the dollar by exchanging only in euros, the multibillion dollar deal with China, making gas deals with turkey, weapons deals with India and supposedly is meeting Hungary today for a gas and trading deal. He is rumored to be saving a lot of Russian foreign reserves in Gold(I'm not sure of this) Did I leave anything else out of this??

What does Crimea have that makes it significant to Putin? Is it because there are Russians living there?? or is it because the Russian battleship is there so they took it at all cost to prevent Nato to get closer to Russian territory /war ships??? Could it be true that Russia gave Ukraine that land as a sign of alliance decades ago but because Ukraine has betrayed Russia by siding with EU and USA they just took it back???? Is there oil in Crimea that is making it an important money making zone??

Does Putin have a hand in what the rebels are doing???

If you say Putin has a hand in the rebels, then what does he gain from trying to seize land in Donetsk and other eastern parts of Ukraine?? Is he trying to destabilize Ukraine long enough to prevent them from joining NATO as long as possible??

If you say the rebels are on their own, then how do they have those sophisticated weapons?? Or are they supplied by the former president that was removed by US backing Ukraine.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Had to look it up tbh

Its good though isnt it ? Just shows what a few people can do-imagine if we all did stuff, the 1% would be fucked

Selective reporting at it's best!

Was the same with the Chapel Hill shootings. I read about them on Twitter a good 10 hours before any mainstream US media source said a single word about them.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

So, how many people actually read about this today: US and British spy agencies hacked into Gemalto to steal securities for billions of SIM cards including (most likely) YOURS!

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/

And then they tell you that the corporate media propaganda is all conspiracy theories...

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

So, how many people actually read about this today: US and British spy agencies hacked into Gemalto to steal securities for billions of SIM cards including (most likely) YOURS!

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/

And then they tell you that the corporate media propaganda is all conspiracy theories...

I always assume nothings private anyway. Face, bothered ? Apparently they pick up on key words as well eg...bomb, kill Bush, jihad, ricin, chelsea.....whoops !

[cosmicway 1,333]

Los revoluzinarios SYRIZO-PASOKIOS:

Firmato tutto:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31556754

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Huge huge leak by Al Jazeera and Guardian today of top secret documents from major intelligence agencies.

And the biggest story is.....The Mossad knew from 2012 that Iran are not aiming to acquire nuclear weapons and Natanyahu blatantly lied to the UN at the time just like he is planning on lying to the congress in a weeks time: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

Surprise, surprise...

EDIT: Link fixed.

[Fulham Broadway 17,306]

GREEK finance minister Yanis Varoufakis has expressed astonishment that the EU is still asking for the money he gave back in the pub weeks ago.

The Greek says he cannot recall the exact date but it was the day Bradford beat Chelsea.

Varoufakis said: “I gave Merkel a big wedge of cash that night. Ask the Belgians, they’ll tell you.”

Angela Merkel confirmed that this was the case, but she said the money was “just so I could get his round in for him. He was sat in the corner and couldn’t get out because Francoise Hollande and his girlfriend were having a row at the next table.

“The previous Greek government said they gave the money to my husband to give me when they bumped into him outside a cinema just after Christmas. They must think I was born yesterday.”

EU commission leader Jose Manuel Barosso backed Merkel: “If it was a loan repayment he should have got a receipt.”

Varoufakis responded that he had, but that he had washed his jeans the next day, and it must have been in the back pocket because everything in that load had little bits of paper stuck on it

[Fernando 6,585]

Huge huge leak by Al Jazeera and Guardian today of top secret documents from major intelligence agencies.

And the biggest story is.....The Mossad knew from 2012 that Iran are not aiming to acquire nuclear weapons and Natanyahu blatantly lied to the UN at the time just like he is planning on lying to the congress in a weeks time: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/leaked-spy-cables-netanyahu-iran-bomb-mossad

Surprise, surprise...

Not working that link.

Anyhow I would not trust anything from Iran. They have spoken many times how they want to destroy USA and Israel.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Not working that link.

Anyhow I would not trust anything from Iran. They have spoken many times how they want to destroy USA and Israel.

Fixed it. Don't know why I always post the link incorrectly here.

Nothing to do with what Iran said. This is about Mossad knowing, in very fine detail if you actually read the original document, that Iran never intended (till now) to actually acquire a nuclear weapon and the Israeli prime minister lying through his teeth about it to the UN (and the congress next week).

Actually most who have followed the case closely and know anything about Iran's political and military strategy already knew that with quite some certainty. I don't like Iran, but their strategies have been mostly defensive. Even their weapons are defensive. The nuclear program was always going to be no more than a means to gain political leverage.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Well ISIS fighters believe they are soldiers of the Islamic State as well. You really think there are many differences?!

Fine, forget ISIS. How about a Nazi soldier? A soviet union soldier? What's the actual difference between them and US soldiers?

Wtf Choulo, comparing US soldiers to ISIS and Nazis ? How about the fact that US soldiers follow the rules of engagement ? ISIS doesn't follow any rules. They kill people because of different etnics or religion.

Same with Nazis. They basically killed or imprisoned anyone who didn't conform to the Nazi ideology or anyone who didn't fit the job description to be a Nazi.

I mean seriously how can anyone in their right minds think US soldiers, Nazis and ISIS are the same.

[iseah100 5,612]

Wtf Choulo, comparing US soldiers to ISIS and Nazis ? How about the fact that US soldiers follow the rules of engagement ? ISIS doesn't follow any rules. They kill people because of different etnics or religion.

Same with Nazis. They basically killed or imprisoned anyone who didn't conform to the Nazi ideology or anyone who didn't fit the job description to be a Nazi.

I mean seriously how can anyone in their right minds think US soldiers, Nazis and ISIS are the same.

Because people hate Americans and will say the most blasphemous things to disparage them.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Wtf Choulo, comparing US soldiers to ISIS and Nazis ? How about the fact that US soldiers follow the rules of engagement ? ISIS doesn't follow any rules. They kill people because of different etnics or religion.

Same with Nazis. They basically killed or imprisoned anyone who didn't conform to the Nazi ideology or anyone who didn't fit the job description to be a Nazi.

I mean seriously how can anyone in their right minds think US soldiers, Nazis and ISIS are the same.

Because people hate Americans and will say the most blasphemous things to disparage them.

Actually I was comparing the soldiers not the ideas or ideologies. The general description is pretty much the same: Armed organized people, motivated by blind extreme ideas like religion and patriotism, invading other people countries and lands and doing all sorts of terrible stuff that effect and destroy the lives of millions to achieve imperialistic gains. Sure, ISIS have a huge fear propaganda with all the hollywood style videos and they do actually implement a scary extreme version of wahabi islam in some of the areas they control. But on the battle field, they are just like any soldiers. Give them the same clothes and you would not be able to tell an american sniper from an ISIS sniper on the ground.

My point was to criticize the mindless glorification of soldiers invading other countries because they "are defending their country". No they aren't! They are invading the country of other people. Especially when you are talking about Iraq war, that's not at ALL a good a thing, it is a terrible thing. Now just imagine a movie about a Nazi sniper who was fighting for his country and killed a lot of the "savages". That is suddenly sick and immoral, right?

And since you brought it up, no the US does NOT abide by the "rules of engagement" practically anywhere in the world. The Iraq war that we were talking about itself was a HUGE infringement of A LOT of international laws including the UN charter it self. It is without a doubt the biggest crime of the century so far, invading a country for reasons they knew were false and damaging the lives of millions of people as well as putting in motion the current events and the sectarian war that has ripped the entire region apart. Yet no one even mentions the moral implications of such horrible crime and no one even dares question the generals involved let alone punish them. The biggest criticism allowed of the Iraqi invasion is that it was a "tactical blunder".

As for the soldiers themselves, just look up how appalled the British soldiers who fought with them were at their lack of consideration of civilians in Iraq, like using white phosphorus on civilian areas, and whatever the fuck that was that they used in Fallujah. In fact, just google "Fallujah" and "Radiation" which is, along with cancer and child mortality rates, now higher than it was in Hiroshima after the nuclear attack. Hey, Hiroshima, there's a pretty good example of the american "rules of engagement", or how about the horrible drone war that kills hundreds of people each year, most civilians, in countries that no body seems to care about, or the human torture research conducted on actual humans at Guantanamo lab.

And you can literally go on for pages and books about this. No state in the world has broken international laws, or even its own laws, more often than the US after WW2 just to spread its imperialistic interests. But the American propaganda is everywhere you turn your head so you don't think of them in the same light as some of the other imperialistic states in modern history.

I mean seriously, Iseah said that they are not trying to take control over the world! Well, they should definitely "not try" harder! No empire in history ever had anything as close of control over the world as much as post WW2 USA has. They have military bases quite literally all over the world, they have intervened in politics in almost every single nation on earth, the USA of the 50s and 60s had over half of the wealth of earth! It's lower now but it's still ridiculously high. And they still continue to use military and political force to expand their control over more and more countries in the world no matter what that means to the lives of the native people.

[cosmicway 1,333]

GREEK finance minister Yanis Varoufakis has expressed astonishment that the EU is still asking for the money he gave back in the pub weeks ago.

The Greek says he cannot recall the exact date but it was the day Bradford beat Chelsea.

Varoufakis said: “I gave Merkel a big wedge of cash that night. Ask the Belgians, they’ll tell you.”

Angela Merkel confirmed that this was the case, but she said the money was “just so I could get his round in for him. He was sat in the corner and couldn’t get out because Francoise Hollande and his girlfriend were having a row at the next table.

“The previous Greek government said they gave the money to my husband to give me when they bumped into him outside a cinema just after Christmas. They must think I was born yesterday.”

EU commission leader Jose Manuel Barosso backed Merkel: “If it was a loan repayment he should have got a receipt.”

Varoufakis responded that he had, but that he had washed his jeans the next day, and it must have been in the back pocket because everything in that load had little bits of paper stuck on it

Dutch funnies.