CHOULO19 24,332 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 4 hours ago, Pizy said: I'm just not sure Bernie would get African Americans, Latino's, basically any minority voters, women, older Democratic voters to turn out in significant enough numbers to beat Trump. Hillary has and will continue to dominate Bernie with those demographics. Plus, once Hillary does win the Dem nomination she'll have the support and endorsements from the likes of Obama, Bill Clinton, hopefully Bernie, and many other influential figures. I really like Bernie and respect what he's preaching, but clearly not enough people buy into his "revolution." I think he'd wipe the floor with Trump in the debates and is far, FAR more qualified to be the President but I'm just not sure he unifies and draws huge numbers of voters like Hillary will. Well if those minorities are going to vote for him against anyone, surely it would be against Trump....plus he overwhelmingly has the support of Arabs and Muslims. It's what won him Michigan. 1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said: k-12 is already subsidized via Taxes. The only families spending on education are people who choose to send their kids to private school, or people with kids in College who are most likely getting loans. That is coming out of their current paycheck. Health is an issue that is being worked with via the Affordable care act, which Hillary has promised to improve without jacking up taxes. You can bring up those two, but in a general election people barely making ends meet so far will not accept seeing such tax increases. It would make him unelectable to most people. The polls also said Hillary was a lock in Michigan, and she lost that state. I am telling you Bernie is doing better in those polls because he has not had a rightwing campaign attack him the way Hillary has. You think the average 30-50k a year family in the midwest will see those tax increases and say "I am all in"? That it could stand up against Ads and debates in a general election? Very few Progressives would vote Trump over Hillary, a woman who agrees with Bernie Sanders >90% of the time. From a practical standpoint it would make little sense because Trump is on the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Those type of people do exist though, and they are called bernie bros. They are usually people who already have a certain level of privilege(usually via being white and upper middle class) who really wouldnt be any worse off under Trump. I mean Trump comes for the Muslims and Hispanics, two groups those people are not a part of and wouldnt be directly hurt if such groups were attacked. They are a very small group in all honesty though. The vast majority of Democrats would support who the party nominates over a republican, and the vast majority support Hillary seeing as she's not only crushing with popular vote, but also with delegates and party super delegates. Mate, I don't mean to be dismissive of your well written response, but your analysis is completely through the lenses of the political 'game' and not at all about the substance of the policies. That's not politics, at least not to me. Politics is about what is choosing actually good for the community. When your argument against something has nothing to do with its substance but just that those other guys won't ever make it happen, then you're probably rooting for the wrong candidate... I've read, and actually know, progressive people who would rather vote for Trump over Hillary, particularly Arab-Americans who are handy with her work in the middle east. Certainly that number has gone up today with her speech at AIPAC. Trump, who flip-flops on everything, has been consistently way more progressive than Hillary on trade agreements and foreign policy; impact wise on the world, probably the two most important issues. But she'd probably get a centrist supreme justice instead of a right wing one like Trump would... As I've said in this thread before, if I were an American citizen, I'd probably not vote (or vote Jill Stein), but pressed between Hillary and Trump, I'd take the small-handed maniac any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Hope all our Belgian members are safe. iseah100 and Dion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,156 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Horrible news out of Belgium this morning. God bless all of them, thoughts with everyone involved and with all the Belgian people. Dion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton 2,120 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Just disgusting.. ??✌ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Just escaped the bombing at the subway station Maalbeek. Missed it by minutes. Jezus Christ ...... Dion and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,156 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Stingray said: Just escaped the bombing at the subway station Maalbeek. Missed it by minutes. Jezus Christ ...... Glad you are safe pal. Stingray and DANILA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 2 minutes ago, Stingray said: Just escaped the bombing at the subway station Maalbeek. Missed it by minutes. Jezus Christ ...... Happy to know that you're safe, mate! It's unbelievable what's happening... Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton 2,120 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Wow stingray, happy you're safe.. Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weckerz 3,781 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 37 minutes ago, Stingray said: Just escaped the bombing at the subway station Maalbeek. Missed it by minutes. Jezus Christ ...... Glad you're alright.. my father was at the airport, complete chaos he says Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Glad you're alright.. my father was at the airport, complete chaos he says I passed there .... Complete warzone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 13 hours ago, CHOULO19 said: Well if those minorities are going to vote for him against anyone, surely it would be against Trump....plus he overwhelmingly has the support of Arabs and Muslims. It's what won him Michigan. Mate, I don't mean to be dismissive of your well written response, but your analysis is completely through the lenses of the political 'game' and not at all about the substance of the policies. That's not politics, at least not to me. Politics is about what is choosing actually good for the community. When your argument against something has nothing to do with its substance but just that those other guys won't ever make it happen, then you're probably rooting for the wrong candidate... I've read, and actually know, progressive people who would rather vote for Trump over Hillary, particularly Arab-Americans who are handy with her work in the middle east. Certainly that number has gone up today with her speech at AIPAC. Trump, who flip-flops on everything, has been consistently way more progressive than Hillary on trade agreements and foreign policy; impact wise on the world, probably the two most important issues. But she'd probably get a centrist supreme justice instead of a right wing one like Trump would... As I've said in this thread before, if I were an American citizen, I'd probably not vote (or vote Jill Stein), but pressed between Hillary and Trump, I'd take the small-handed maniac any day. Perfection is the enemy of the good. If someone promises me a pizza and has the dollar in hand, and another person promises me a benz with the abstract thought of taking the money from someone else, I take the pizza. That is the absolute truth in Hillary v. Sanders, and eventually Hillary v. trump. She is a politician, she knows the game, she has the support, and she is promising on keeping us on a path that Obama started which has been really good for the average American compared to where Bush left us in. Her America will happen because it already exists. It doesn't involve voting in a demagogue(who is already on TV over here using the Belgium attacks to preach xenophobic closed border policies) nor a "revolution" where a candidate who has never paid for down candidate campaigns needing an entire reworked system to even achieve an inch of what he wants. It is simply idealism. You should question the progressivism of your friends who would vote for a man who says "I am gonna build a wall and make them pay for it because we will win again" as an actual policy point over a woman who fought for health care reform over 20 years ago, and who has supported the party on the left for decades longer. He would never in a million years win a campaign, but just looking at him and the crowd he brings in is everything progressives should stand against. I voted for Hillary on Super Tuesday(March 1st) because I believe her when she says she will keep the Obama policies that have brought us out of a recession going. I don't support everything she has done, but I do support what she will be able to get done, and the image she projects to the country. Also Stay safe Belgium members! Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Europe is getting what they have asked for.. Well done Merkel and co. Welcome refugees... manpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Sicarius 610 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 In moments like this i proud that i live in Poland and we dont let refuges enter to our country in number of thousands. I just dont know what leaders of Europe were thinking... DANILA, xPetrCechx, manpe and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,156 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 It always make me angry when I read "Security ramped up amid more attacks at airports and rail networks" It shouldn't take for it to happen to have security at it's tightest. People's safety is paramount, and governments needs to start funding more staff for this to happen all over Europe, ten fold. You should not be able to walk straight into an airport and not get checked until you check in, there now needs to be a scanning system on the entrance to each and every airport worldwide, and if takes more time and man power then so be it. I am not saying it will completely stop everything, but dotting every 'I' and crossing every 'T' is the only way to go. It's easy to point the finger at the migrants who have been let in, but lets not forget there are thousands of pockets of these radicalized Muslims etc that are living among us and have been for years and years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 10 minutes ago, Special Juan said: It always make me angry when I read "Security ramped up amid more attacks at airports and rail networks" It shouldn't take for it to happen to have security at it's tightest. People's safety is paramount, and governments needs to start funding more staff for this to happen all over Europe, ten fold. You should not be able to walk straight into an airport and not get checked until you check in, there now needs to be a scanning system on the entrance to each and every airport worldwide, and if takes more time and man power then so be it. I am not saying it will completely stop everything, but dotting every 'I' and crossing every 'T' is the only way to go. It's easy to point the finger at the migrants who have been let in, but lets not forget there are thousands of pockets of these radicalized Muslims etc that are living among us and have been for years and years. I hate when all blame is on security. They cannot be everywhere, they cannot know everything. If I take a knife and kill 5 people in the market is security to blame? What can they do... What happened in Paris. Terrorists went to bar and killed people? Pointless to blame security. Migrants are not to blame. European leaders are to blame for letting everyone come. The biggest problem is that we let everyone come in no matter who they are. These "refugees" drop passports in purpose but we don't care. We still invite them "welcome refugees". ISIS have made it clear their terrorists will come as refugees. The Chels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,156 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 1 minute ago, Tautvix said: I hate when all blame is on security. They cannot be everywhere, they cannot know everything. If I take a knife and kill 5 people in the market is security to blame? What can they do... What happened in Paris. Terrorists went to bar and killed people? Pointless to blame security. Migrants are not to blame. European leaders are to blame for letting everyone come. The biggest problem is that we let everyone come in no matter who they are. These "refugees" drop passports in purpose but we don't care. We still invite them "welcome refugees". ISIS have made it clear their terrorists will come as refugees. Wait, who's blaming security? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Has there been any info about the identity of the attackers? Why are people talking about migrants? Dion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Sicarius 610 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 21 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said: Has there been any info about the identity of the attackers? Why are people talking about migrants? to whom they look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Just escaped the bombing at the subway station Maalbeek. Missed it by minutes. Jezus Christ ...... Thank goodness you're okay homie. Stay safe. to whom they look like? Source? Stingray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Sicarius 610 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 1 minute ago, iseah100 said: Source? http://www.dhnet.be/ First site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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