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[Fernando 6,585]

everytime I see this picture my heart dies a bit with every teardrop

Warning NSFW

#Freedom4Ezdi #Freedom4Shinjar #Freedom4Kurdistan #Peacock4Kurdistan

Question, since this seems to be pertaining to Iraq.

Was Iraq better before USA came and invade the country?

How you felt that state was during the USA occupation?

And how you feel like it is today?

So 3 different scenario, that I would like your opinion on them.

Thanks.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

One question to my Islamic friends.

Why is there so much radical Islamic in this day and age?

Countries like Iran that are heavily control by radical Islamic in which give no freedom but to follow their religion.

I actually been hearing reports that Christians in countries like Iran are persecuted and such.

Is this true?

Very true. Religion is very complicated. I don't know why pple try to force it down other pples throats. A lot of radical islamics that live like we're in the 19th century, instead of embracing peace try to take advantage of people loyal to Islam and achieve their goals (money, power, oil)

Crazy world

[Clevemayer 764]

Question, since this seems to be pertaining to Iraq.

Was Iraq better before USA came and invade the country?

How you felt that state was during the USA occupation?

And how you feel like it is today?

So 3 different scenario, that I would like your opinion on them.

Thanks.

firstly I will tell you I can't answer this questions. We are kurdish Ezidis from the turkish part of kurdistan we cam originally from iraq part of kurdistan Sinjar. But I can tell u, there has never been any sort of freedom to us, we are an old ancient and to most ppl mysterios relgion, because we hide from the world. Why do we hide? We've ben 72 Times the target for mass murdering from MOSSLEMS, 72 Times. We are probably (not 100% veryfied because the religion is 4000 years befor christ) the root of kurdish ppl. Why do we and the kurds , whom are not thinking like that say, that we were the root of the kurds you may ask. Because all our prayers and songs are written in KURDISCH language, we've always talked kurdish in every part of our religion. The moslem came over and forced many Ezidis (in 72 Times) like in these last 3 days to convert or to be killed. Islam is in arabic and so it is not the ancient culture of kurds.

This is why we are so strong in our belive and we are so strong standing, because you will here about very very small minoritys who convert, we die before we convert to islam (even today, wehn our teens (I'm 28) start to merry with christians in europe our ppl don't accept them any more as ezdis, and if some girl or men merrys a Moslem, its like she killed her whole famly, because we left so much blood for this religion and belief and left our countrys to be safe. This religion, that is a PURE nature religion. We belive in Fire, Water, Air and Earth, never has in any prayer the order to convert anybody to his way of thinking, no prayer nowhere, closed the possibility to merry with other religions because of the massacres of the moslems. We belive God doesn't intervent the happenings on the earth, its all down to you, you have a head, a brain, hands, a mouth a tongue and you have to try to be perfectly blanced with yourself and the ppl around you and don't harm anybody, it is even not allowed to us to kill animal, only if we really need them, because they're a gift of god.

Now the reason why I told you so much about us. So we've been the root of kurdish ppl. nontheless the most kurdish ppl who now are Moslems, though there are christian and alewî and zarathustrian Kurds, hate us and call us devil-whorshippers, because the islamic religion says so. In general I've done a sin with writing the word with D, we belive ther is one god and one god only whom has 7 Angels (the 7 planets, like the 7 Days) with one Angel the biggest of them, Tawis Î Melek (Angel Peacock). Because God ist the only source of all mighty power (Light to us is the biggest Power on earth, think about physics my friend), we are not allowed to say that there is anything nearly or even as powerfull as God. We accept that tis with the consequenze that god gives power and life but although he and only him is allowed to say when your time to die has come. So, our countrymen call us devil-whorshippers. For more then 500 years we are killed and have had 72 genozides done to us, now 73, we always flew into the hills of shinjar where our only holy place is (where we belive Life begun to blossom). We've never been free, not under America, not under Saddam husseyn and not now.

For moslemic kurds it is better, they have theyre autonomous region and are puppets to America and fight against they're follow countrymen in Syria and Turkey, just to gain there indipendency. It is said, "you will go to paradise if you convert a Ezdi to islam"...

[Clevemayer 764]

[CHOULO19 24,332]

One question to my Islamic friends.

Why is there so much radical Islamic in this day and age?

Countries like Iran that are heavily control by radical Islamic in which give no freedom but to follow their religion.

I actually been hearing reports that Christians in countries like Iran are persecuted and such.

Is this true?

I remember making a post about this some time ago. There are several reasons that I see and of course other random factors because eventually the "movement" of societies has an unpredictable random factor to it.

First, I think the 'Muslim world' feels that it is under attack by the west. The people of this part of the world have been taken advantage of and been the subject of a large part of the new-colonialism since the end of WW1. First by France and Britain, then Israel and the US. Pick any country in the middle east and the west have played a direct destructive role in it. Naturally, this creates a defensive reaction in these countries. This defensive reaction has unfortunately been recently towards radical Islam.

A big reason, in my opinion, is also the failure of the secular groups. In the 70s and 80s, left wing secular groups were the most prominent in most Arab countries. But these parties proved very corrupt and drove the people of the region into the arms of the right wing groups.

As for the jihadist nature of these radical groups, that has a lot to do with the southern part of the Soviet Union in the 70s and 80s. The US and the UK thought it would be a good idea to create Muslim extremists in that region to fight the soviet union. They paid Sheikhs to work starting from inside mosques to recruit men that are susceptible to these extremists idea. They funded and armed them and even provided five star medical care for the injured in the UK (do a back ground check on all of the Al Qaeda ledaers like Ben Ladin, Al Zarkawi, even all of those in Guantanamo, the vast majority of them have lived in the UK at one point or another in their lives.)

Then you have the fact that a lot of people seem 'culturally ready' to endorse such movement. That is mainly due to the fact these countries mainly have a a conservative eastern culture. Add to that the low levels of education and the state of war or edge of war that these countries have been in creates an extremist mind-set for people in which they react instinctively instead of logically to any threat.

Finally you have the Islamic revolution in Iran (which wasn't "Islamic" at all until after it was over) because nothing promotes an idea more than success. But to answer your other question, no, the Christians in Iran are not oppressed. Iran is one of the most religiously diverse countries in the world with Zoroastrians, Buddhists...etc. They are treated equally like everyone else, but they do have to follow certain Islamic culture standards regarding stuff like wardrobe in public.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Clevemayer, I'll try to reply to you tomorrow because the issue is so complex and difficult. This will take some time to answer.

[Fernando 6,585]

I remember making a post about this some time ago. There are several reasons that I see and of course other random factors because eventually the "movement" of societies has an unpredictable random factor to it.

First, I think the 'Muslim world' feels that it is under attack by the west. The people of this part of the world have been taken advantage of and been the subject of a large part of the new-colonialism since the end of WW1. First by France and Britain, then Israel and the US. Pick any country in the middle east and the west have played a direct destructive role in it. Naturally, this creates a defensive reaction in these countries. This defensive reaction has unfortunately been recently towards radical Islam.

A big reason, in my opinion, is also the failure of the secular groups. In the 70s and 80s, left wing secular groups were the most prominent in most Arab countries. But these parties proved very corrupt and drove the people of the region into the arms of the right wing groups.

As for the jihadist nature of these radical groups, that has a lot to do with the southern part of the Soviet Union in the 70s and 80s. The US and the UK thought it would be a good idea to create Muslim extremists in that region to fight the soviet union. They paid Sheikhs to work starting from inside mosques to recruit men that are susceptible to these extremists idea. They funded and armed them and even provided five star medical care for the injured in the UK (do a back ground check on all of the Al Qaeda ledaers like Ben Ladin, Al Zarkawi, even all of those in Guantanamo, the vast majority of them have lived in the UK at one point or another in their lives.)

Then you have the fact that a lot of people seem 'culturally ready' to endorse such movement. That is mainly due to the fact these countries mainly have a a conservative eastern culture. Add to that the low levels of education and the state of war or edge of war that these countries have been in creates an extremist mind-set for people in which they react instinctively instead of logically to any threat.

Finally you have the Islamic revolution in Iran (which wasn't "Islamic" at all until after it was over) because nothing promotes an idea more than success. But to answer your other question, no, the Christians in Iran are not oppressed. Iran is one of the most religiously diverse countries in the world with Zoroastrians, Buddhists...etc. They are treated equally like everyone else, but they do have to follow certain Islamic culture standards regarding stuff like wardrobe in public.

Similar to how blacks was under attack in the past and because of that anything people say is perceived as racist?

Now as to per countries in poverty and such, isn't Nigeria always been poor? But recently that Islamic group of Boca Haram has appeared to demand things.

Actually they have targeted Christian village and what not. The girls they kidnapped was Christian and forcing them to convert to Islam.

So it seems to me that the radical Islam is spreading past the middle east to other parts of the world.

And how do you know Christians are not oppressed? Do you have intelligence and article proving otherwise?

Cause this article from Fox News says otherwise.

Christians persecuted at alarming rate in Iran, Arab world, US report says

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/11/us-panels-report-documents-christians-under-siege-in-arab-world/

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Similar to how blacks was under attack in the past and because of that anything people say is perceived as racist?

Now as to per countries in poverty and such, isn't Nigeria always been poor? But recently that Islamic group of Boca Haram has appeared to demand things.

Actually they have targeted Christian village and what not. The girls they kidnapped was Christian and forcing them to convert to Islam.

So it seems to me that the radical Islam is spreading past the middle east to other parts of the world.

And how do you know Christians are not oppressed? Do you have intelligence and article proving otherwise?

Cause this article from Fox News says otherwise.

Christians persecuted at alarming rate in Iran, Arab world, US report says

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/05/11/us-panels-report-documents-christians-under-siege-in-arab-world/

I really don't know much about Nigeria except what we read in the news abou Boko Haram and such, but like I said, nothing promotes an idea more than success and those Muslim extremists in Nigeria are a result of the "success" of Muslim extremists in the Middle East, just like Al Qaeda was a result of the success of Jigadists in southern Soviet Union, just like ISIS and Jabhat al Nusra are a result of the success of Muslim extremists in Lybia and just like Hezboullah was in the 80s a result of the success of the Islamic revolution in Iran.

You asked specifically about Iran and I answered to the best of my knowledge about Iran. I know they are not oppressed from what I read and hear about Iran and from the Iranians that come to Lebanon and the people from here that visit Iran (which are a lot because there is some sort of religious pilgrimage for Shiites in Iran).

An article? Do you want an article titled "Christians are Not being persecuted in Iran"? honestly, Iran is probably the best place for Christians in the Middle East right now after Lebanon. PS: The one you posted hardly qualifies as an article. It's just an attack by FOX on Obama while trying to rally the conservative Christians against him.

As for what is happening to Christians elsewhere in the Middle East, that is down to Muslim extremists groups. It's all happening btw due to western backed groups like ISIS and Jabhat al Nosra in Syria and the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. Though, these groups are hardly just terrorising Christians. In fact, it is better to be Christian than Shiite if you happen to cross their path. But the western and international silence towards this, even by the Vatican, is 'suspicious' to say the least.

[Fernando 6,585]

I really don't know much about Nigeria except what we read in the news abou Boko Haram and such, but like I said, nothing promotes an idea more than success and those Muslim extremists in Nigeria are a result of the "success" of Muslim extremists in the Middle East, just like Al Qaeda was a result of the success of Jigadists in southern Soviet Union, just like ISIS and Jabhat al Nusra are a result of the success of Muslim extremists in Lybia and just like Hezboullah was in the 80s a result of the success of the Islamic revolution in Iran.

You asked specifically about Iran and I answered to the best of my knowledge about Iran. I know they are not oppressed from what I read and hear about Iran and from the Iranians that come to Lebanon and the people from here that visit Iran (which are a lot because there is some sort of religious pilgrimage for Shiites in Iran).

An article? Do you want an article titled "Christians are Not being persecuted in Iran"? honestly, Iran is probably the best place for Christians in the Middle East right now after Lebanon. PS: The one you posted hardly qualifies as an article. It's just an attack by FOX on Obama while trying to rally the conservative Christians against him.

As for what is happening to Christians elsewhere in the Middle East, that is down to Muslim extremists groups. It's all happening btw due to western backed groups like ISIS and Jabhat al Nosra in Syria and the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt. Though, these groups are hardly just terrorising Christians. In fact, it is better to be Christian than Shiite if you happen to cross their path. But the western and international silence towards this, even by the Vatican, is 'suspicious' to say the least.

Was watching this video about this guy that was a radical Islamist.

And one thing that shock me was how he said he was trained to killed at such a young age as a child.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Caught on tape ! Hamas firing rockets from hotel.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/ndtv-exclusive-how-hamas-assembles-and-fires-rockets-571033?pfrom=home-lateststories

Why won't the Mainstream media report this?

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

One question to my Islamic friends.

Why is there so much radical Islamic in this day and age?

Countries like Iran that are heavily control by radical Islamic in which give no freedom but to follow their religion.

I actually been hearing reports that Christians in countries like Iran are persecuted and such.

Is this true?

Why don't you read a Qur'an for yourself or read about the life of Muhammad and see if the actions of Islamic terrorists are justified or not? It's pretty obvious that they are.

[Fernando 6,585]

Why don't you read a Qur'an for yourself or read about the life of Muhammad and see if the actions of Islamic terrorists are justified or not? It's pretty obvious that they are.

Well that video I put with some ex islamist radical answer some of that.

The foundation of such religion is very shaky when it gives fruits to such organization.

I don't care about the past, economic status and what not.

Religion has been the problem for ages.

Centuries ago it was Catholicism and now is Islam.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Well that video I put with some ex islamist radical answer some of that.

The foundation of such religion is very shaky when it gives fruits to such organization.

I don't care about the past, economic status and what not.

Religion has been the problem for ages.

Centuries ago it was Catholicism and now is Islam.

Roman Catholicism and Islam are by far two of the most violent and bloody religions in history of humanity. The main difference between the two is that the Catholics realized that they had erred from the teachings of Jesus and got their houses in order. They've moved on from the days of persecuting (and killing) Jews, non-Catholic Christians who they deemed heretics, and occultists i.e witches. Christians who even dared to read the Bible for themselves were deemed heretics by the Catholic Church and some were killed. But the Catholics have long since moved on.

Islam on the other hand has been violent since its inception. It was never "hijacked" or corrupted, it has always been violent since its inception. Now there are peaceful Muslims who reject the violent teachings in Islam, who reject Jihad and commands in the Qur'an to fight the unbelievers and instead strive for a more peaceful, personal, moderate Islam, that's fantastic. If all Muslims accepted this brand of Islam, then the world will be a much better place. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The entire religion is in desperate need of reform. Until then however, more Islamic terrorist groups will continue to appear and more violence will continue world-wide.

[Fernando 6,585]

Roman Catholicism and Islam are by far two of the most violent and bloody religions in history of humanity. The main difference between the two is that the Catholics realized that they had erred from the teachings of Jesus and got their houses in order. They've moved on from the days of persecuting (and killing) Jews, non-Catholic Christians who they deemed heretics, and occultists i.e witches. Christians who even dared to read the Bible for themselves were deemed heretics by the Catholic Church and some were killed. But the Catholics have long since moved on.

Islam on the other hand has been violent since its inception. It was never "hijacked" or corrupted, it has always been violent since its inception. Now there are peaceful Muslims who reject the violent teachings in Islam, who reject Jihad and commands in the Qur'an to fight the unbelievers and instead strive for a more peaceful, personal, moderate Islam, that's fantastic. If all Muslims accepted this brand of Islam, then the world will be a much better place. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The entire religion is in desperate need of reform. Until then however, more Islamic terrorist groups will continue to appear and more violence will continue world-wide.

Agree on everything except that I have to add that I don't consider Catholicism as Christianity.

They have it mix with something else.

They don't follow what's in the Bible. Some things they do and some things are contradictory.

So Catholicism is a mix of Christianity and something else that I have no idea, maybe ancient paganism... Some old religion that don't exist today.

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Agree on everything except that I have to add that I don't consider Catholicism as Christianity.

They have it mix with something else.

They don't follow what's in the Bible. Some things they do and some things are contradictory.

So Catholicism is a mix of Christianity and something else that I have no idea, maybe ancient paganism... Some old religion that don't exist today.

Don't get me wrong, I'm well aware of the history and practices of the Roman Catholic church. It's a pseudo-Christian, pagan Babylonian religion which masquerades itself as Christianity when it isn't.