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In the UK as well mate. Studied politics at university and you realise although we dont have political lobbying to the extent of the US, the Labore and Tories represent big business and the rich. eg Camoron was in Brazil last week on a 'diplomatic' visit. Bollocks , it was to grease the path for David Bamford, (JCB multi millionaire) to open a massive factory and plant in Brazil. But why ? Probably because he has donated £5 million to the Tory party.

If voting actually changed anything it would be banned

I'm not quite as cynical as you (I think voting can matter to some degree. Many of the party's policies are similar, but they are not exactly the same.), but I think it's hard to argue with your basic point.The U.S. is obviously the worst as money can directly influence elections in a way it can't in most democracies. One the aspects I'm most interested about is how narratives are created in order for people to vote against their self-interest. This is a pretty good documentary http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/ definitely worth watching. Everyone remember the woman who spilled coffee on her lap and sued McDonald's? Of course... Comedians made fun of it, we all used it as example of stupid lawsuits. It wasn't, but the narrative was created mostly to allow what they call "tort reform" which means limiting the ability of people to sue companies. Anyway, worth watching if you get a chance.

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i think Romney might just sneak this you know...

dont see it happening,,

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-his VP (paul ryan)

-his lack of details for making lost revenue in lowering taxes

-7.8% umenployment rate.

-his flip-flopping.

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dont see it happening,,

quickrun down

-47% comments

-his VP (paul ryan)

-his lack of details for making lost revenue in lowering taxes

-7.8% umenployment rate.

-his flip-flopping.

Yer obviously you know more about it than me but Obama just looked offensively bored in the debate and Romney seems like he want's it more. Also from what i've seen i think Ryan complements him quite well with his serious yet reasonably charismatic approach.

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dont see it happening,,

quickrun down

-47% comments

-his VP (paul ryan)

-his lack of details for making lost revenue in lowering taxes

-7.8% umenployment rate.

-his flip-flopping.

If elections were about reality, Republicans would never win. Romney is able to just vaguely promise some sentimental crap ("America will lead once again" etc...) without offering any specifics and he has a good chance of winning. That anyone can still believe that trickle-down economics works is beyond me but unregulated free-market capitalism is almost like a religion to many people.

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If elections were about reality, Republicans would never win. Romney is able to just vaguely promise some sentimental crap ("America will lead once again" etc...) without offering any specifics and he has a good chance of winning. That anyone can still believe that trickle-down economics works is beyond me but unregulated free-market capitalism is almost like a religion to many people.

The Chinese have a different term for the con trick that they call the 'trickle down ' effect.

They call it the Horse and Sparrow effect - The horse eats bags of oats and the Sparrow picks the digested oats out of the horses shit.....

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The occupy movement got it right when they said the 1% own everything. That includes the politicians who are stooges for the richest stockholders. In the bombing case its the arms manufacturers doing the bidding.

You're such a legend FB! That's a freakin' quote :)

Well thank you kind sir, youre not too bad yourself. And remembre whoever you vote for the government gets in...

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Obomba's dropped bombs on 6 countries, compared to Bush's 4.

But Obama is a commie nazi socialist liberal America hater. I think it's nonsense that he would do something so inherently American like bomb the fuck out of other countries.

/sarcasm.

My country is run by a Welsh bitch that is too 'PC' for the good of the country and an English bastard that would kiss the Queen's arse whilst quoting Exodus if given half a chance. Though you probably don't care about my country, not many people do.

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Obomba's dropped bombs on 6 countries, compared to Bush's 4.

I know it was not what you meant, but it does not make Bush any better.

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But Obama is a commie nazi socialist liberal America hater. I think it's nonsense that he would do something so inherently American like bomb the fuck out of other countries.

/sarcasm.

My country is run by a Welsh bitch that is too 'PC' for the good of the country and an English bastard that would kiss the Queen's arse whilst quoting Exodus if given half a chance. Though you probably don't care about my country, not many people do.

It's not that I don't care, it's that I'm uneducated on Australian politics.

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Oh, I know. Bush was 1000x worse, but Obama is scum like any other US president.

Yes, but I guess he is the one to go for lack of a better option.

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