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[cosmicway 1,333]

3 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Or maybe they could just be people tired of us funding a state with free healthcare, and a higher standard of living than the vast majority of Americans, in their genocidal effort against a bunch of women and kids? Its as simple as that really.

 

Also its a lot easier to see the crimes those kids are funding today with social media than it was 14 years ago when I was in college. You used to have to look hard to see anything other than the Isis/AlQaeda beheading video back then. Im very impressed by the spirit those kids have because I am old enough to remember us millenials(and generation X) having none of it.

They cannot be people "tired of us funding ..." because we know them like false coins and of course we know their press too.
And what is happening is not genocidal. It's awful but exactly the same as what happened in Berlin in 1945, once Hitler decided to make it a fortified city.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

7 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

They cannot be people "tired of us funding ..." because we know them like false coins and of course we know their press too.
And what is happening is not genocidal. It's awful but exactly the same as what happened in Berlin in 1945, once Hitler decided to make it a fortified city.

That comparison only works if we bombed Germany in 1975 under occupation, not 1945 when they had a full military and were "independent. Israel owns the air, the sea, the borders for everything that happens there. If they start carpet bombing the hell out of a city that is mostly women and children it is very much a genocide.

The idea that kids who were born in 2000,2001,2002 has a "press" or like false coins is absurd also. Is an Israeli cutting you a check cosmic?🤔 You must be getting paid by someone to say that realistically. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

21 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Or maybe they could just be people tired of us funding a state with free healthcare, and a higher standard of living than the vast majority of Americans, in their genocidal effort against a bunch of women and kids? Its as simple as that really.

Exactly - and there is a sizeable bunch, globally, that hate bullying, that hate the indiscriminate slaughter of fellow human beings with the latest weaponry, that despise the arbitrary denying of water, medicine and food and basic sanitation to other human beings.

Though it seems some here in their fucked up machismo, are obviously  in favour of mass murder.

[cosmicway 1,333]

52 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

That comparison only works if we bombed Germany in 1975 under occupation, not 1945 when they had a full military and were "independent. Israel owns the air, the sea, the borders for everything that happens there. If they start carpet bombing the hell out of a city that is mostly women and children it is very much a genocide.

The idea that kids who were born in 2000,2001,2002 has a "press" or like false coins is absurd also. Is an Israeli cutting you a check cosmic?🤔 You must be getting paid by someone to say that realistically. 

In the spring of 1945 the allies controlled the air, the seas and the borders of Germany.
Also Germany's industrial capacity was gone.
Yet the Soviet army did not just park outside Berlin and Eisenhower would n't do that either had his armies not been delayed.
The Soviet artillery fire and air raids were as genocidal as you like.
It's the same story.
Here in Greece all the Hamas friends I know are reds-reddish plus a few words from the Putin fanciers. They were staging demos for Saddam Hussein in 1992, 2003 as well.
 

Edited May 7, 2024 by cosmicway

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Exactly - and there is a sizeable bunch, globally, that hate bullying, that hate the indiscriminate slaughter of fellow human beings with the latest weaponry, that despise the arbitrary denying of water, medicine and food and basic sanitation to other human beings.

Though it seems some here in their fucked up machismo, are obviously  in favour of mass murder.

People are being paid by Israel to run propaganda too though. You see it constantly from underdeveloped nations where a foreign actors(Often Russia, but Israel has started when their PR took a hit) pay people to run information for them. Its a part of winning the soft battles.

[Clockwork 1,794]

All genocides and similar atrocity committed came as a response, so they all have the "self defense" argument. 

Pretty much everyone, even the most vile people that has walked this earth all believed that they were on the right and had moral justifications. 

 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

In the spring of 1945 the allies controlled the air, the seas and the borders of Germany.
Also Germany's industrial capacity was gone.
Yet the Soviet army did not just park outside Berlin and Eisenhower would n't do that either had his armies not been delayed.
The Soviet artillery fire and air raids were as genocidal as you like.
It's the same story.
Here in Greece all the Hamas friends I know are reds-reddish and a few words from the Putin fanciers. They were staging demos for Saddam Hussein in 1992, 2003 also.
 

We had air superiority at that point. Thats where the comparison ends. You'd have a much stronger argument comparing the firebombing of Tokyo, which was mostly civilian, than most of those German bombings which still had some military use.

 

Greece is effectively a third world country. I'd imagine any event, such as Disney on Ice, would bring out reds and nazis because the youth are disillusioned by a failed state. 10-ish years ago when I started my career youth unemployment in Greece was like 70%, and now it has dropped because poor greek kids get the pleasure of serving kids, from other nations much better off than theirs, while they are on holiday. Even in America during the depression we had a robust communist party. When folks dont have anything, they'd much rather tear it all down(revolution) or blame people who dont look like them(the right). You can't compare the kids in a failed state to kids in America where we haven't seen youth unemployment like that in nearly a century. Thats creating a biased view.

Edited May 7, 2024 by Sir Mikel OBE

[cosmicway 1,333]

21 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

We had air superiority at that point. Thats where the comparison ends. You'd have a much stronger argument comparing the firebombing of Tokyo, which was mostly civilian, than most of those German bombings which still had some military use.

 

Greece is effectively a third world country. I'd imagine any event, such as Disney on Ice, would bring out reds and nazis because the youth are disillusioned by a failed state. 10-ish years ago when I started my career youth unemployment in Greece was like 70%, and now it has dropped because poor greek kids get the pleasure of serving kids, from other nations much better off than theirs, while they are on holiday. Even in America during the depression we had a robust communist party. When folks dont have anything, they'd much rather tear it all down(revolution) or blame people who dont look like them(the right). You can't compare the kids in a failed state to kids in America where we haven't seen youth unemployment like that in nearly a century. Thats creating a biased view.

There is no difference between Gaza and 1945
Or, if you look at it from the enemy side, between Gaza and Stalingrad, between Gaza and Leningrad.
When one side declares its cities fortified and the other side is advancing it is inevitable.
In WWII Paris was declared undefended, Athens was declared undefended in 1941 and Rome was declared undefended in 1944. So these cities were not destroyed.

In our case Hamas is the enemy and they are entrenched inside Gaza, so fire pours on them.

About Greece whatever.
I meant I know the folks who are demostrating here whereas those who demonstrate in New York I don't - but I guess they are people with the same mindset.
I can understand the anti-establishment attitude of some people, not the party card carrying members, the others. People have issues, we all have issues with the powers in the secret corridors of government.
But it must square up with logic and supporting Hamas and Iran does not square up with logic.
Effectively it's a gift to Donald Trumpism all this.
 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

1 hour ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

People are being paid by Israel to run propaganda too though. You see it constantly from underdeveloped nations where a foreign actors(Often Russia, but Israel has started when their PR took a hit) pay people to run information for them. Its a part of winning the soft battles.

Mate when they went into Gaza in 2012 ? shooting pregnant mothers, this forum had quite a few members outraged, suddenly the forum also became awash with Isareli supporting trolls. They obviously dont think this forum is big enough to worry about now they have nearly all governments and corporate media subservient.

Zuckerbergs Facebook, deleted the page of the popular Palestinian news website, the Palestinian Information Center (PIC). This act, which was carried out without even contacting the page administrators, confirms that Facebook’s war on pro-Palestine voices is continuing unabated. PIC had over five million followers

[cosmicway 1,333]

Well, as it happens, Monday morning I 'm going to stand trial accused by the neonazis (Golden Dawn) for calling them "assault battalions" on the internet.
This one took a long time to reach the chambers because of the covid situations.
They were "assault battalions" of course and their leadership is now in jail because of it, but nevertheless the public prosecutors saw it fit that I should appear on the dock.
Wish me luck please, because from Israel-Mossad-Netaniahu they did not send me a single euro for the legal expenses.
Or if you have the ear of Israel please do something.

Edited May 7, 2024 by cosmicway

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Mate when they went into Gaza in 2012 ? shooting pregnant mothers, this forum had quite a few members outraged, suddenly the forum also became awash with Isareli supporting trolls. They obviously dont think this forum is big enough to worry about now they have nearly all governments and corporate media subservient.

Zuckerbergs Facebook, deleted the page of the popular Palestinian news website, the Palestinian Information Center (PIC). This act, which was carried out without even contacting the page administrators, confirms that Facebook’s war on pro-Palestine voices is continuing unabated. PIC had over five million followers

I remember both events.

I do think we might have had some visibility because we used to have quite a few Israeli posters here. xXpetrCechxX is(or was) serving in the military if I remember correctly. Its quite easy to get people to farm ideas though. Especially when there are quite a few poor people they have access to.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

48 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Well, as it happens, Monday morning I 'm going to stand trial accused by the neonazis (Golden Dawn) for calling them "assault battalions" on the internet.
This one took a long time to reach the chambers because of the covid situations.
They were "assault battalions" of course and their leadership is now in jail because of it, but nevertheless the public prosecutors saw it fit that I should appear on the dock.
Wish me luck please, because from Israel-Mossad-Netaniahu they did not send me a single euro for the legal expenses.
Or if you have the ear of Israel please do something.

Radicalism happens when the state has failed.

 

If youth had jobs Golden Dawn wouldn't have to spend the time sending you to trial over words.

[cosmicway 1,333]

58 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Radicalism happens when the state has failed.

 

If youth had jobs Golden Dawn wouldn't have to spend the time sending you to trial over words.

They actually do have jobs.
Unemployment is around 10% - about the same as before the economic crisis of 2010 although it reached a peak of 17%-19% in 2014.
The victims and the intended victims of the crisis are the middle classes and the self employed, not the workforce.
Those dawnie characters have nothing to do with unemployment.
They descent from the old junta and as long as the Soviet Union was around they used to vote tactically for the main conservative party, the New Democracy.
They were doing this to oppose the perceived as fellow traveling socialists.
But now they don't care about such things and have returned to their old fascist ways.
At least everyone I know from among those is of this type.
Re. extreme right it's the same thing all over Europe and the same story.
Of course they are also antisemitic as they come ("kill a Jew today" they used to shout - it was part of their oath to the party).
About Arabs ? Well it does n't go down well with them to root for people who are blackies so I don't hear them often talking about the Israel-Pals situation.
But Mussolini was in the same mind as them back in the war - he prevented Hitler from turning the muslim SS against the British in Africa because "they were muslims and blackies".


 

[Vesper 30,231]

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[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

21 hours ago, robsblubot said:

heh I think fewer by the year. Never understood what was so mysterious about how we completely disrupt the carbon cycle... 🤷‍♂️
thought the hint was in the name, "fossil" fuels.

I read that by now it's just too late, and impractical, to tackle the issue by reducing the carbon footprint. The solution will have to come from tech or we will just have to adapt to the new norm... perhaps both.

Or we accept the planet weather system has changed countless times over and over again and did so before fossil fuels, can't remember any cars and power plants running when the planet froze over, every one is guessing and has been for years.

[robsblubot 3,595]

14 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Or we accept the planet weather system has changed countless times over and over again and did so before fossil fuels, can't remember any cars and power plants running when the planet froze over, every one is guessing and has been for years.

The assumption that because humans were not responsible on that particular occasion, they could not be responsible today makes no sense to me.
The events may likely be completely unrelated; we have no evidence suggesting that they are similar, or the same event.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

They actually do have jobs.
Unemployment is around 10% - about the same as before the economic crisis of 2010 although it reached a peak of 17%-19% in 2014.
The victims and the intended victims of the crisis are the middle classes and the self employed, not the workforce.
Those dawnie characters have nothing to do with unemployment.
They descent from the old junta and as long as the Soviet Union was around they used to vote tactically for the main conservative party, the New Democracy.
They were doing this to oppose the perceived as fellow traveling socialists.
But now they don't care about such things and have returned to their old fascist ways.
At least everyone I know from among those is of this type.
Re. extreme right it's the same thing all over Europe and the same story.
Of course they are also antisemitic as they come ("kill a Jew today" they used to shout - it was part of their oath to the party).
About Arabs ? Well it does n't go down well with them to root for people who are blackies so I don't hear them often talking about the Israel-Pals situation.
But Mussolini was in the same mind as them back in the war - he prevented Hitler from turning the muslim SS against the British in Africa because "they were muslims and blackies".


 

A BS tourism job where you serve drinks to a kid your age from the UK, who takes your girlfriend out back and bangs her while you work, isnt a job that inspires Greek Youth. Its the same way in Spain, and closer to home, Jamaica and the vast majority of the Caribbean.

 

There's a reason why kids leave for educational(and opportunity) opportunity you know that. When I visited Germany for work even in 2018 during the "improvement" every greek person there had left home because there was nothing there for them.

[YorkshireBlue 3,279]

10 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

The assumption that because humans were not responsible on that particular occasion, they could not be responsible today makes no sense to me.
The events may likely be completely unrelated; we have no evidence suggesting that they are similar, or the same event.

We also have no evidence they are not, and it's not just one event, the weather system has changed so much pre humans and changed alot after aswell, the idea that driving a non petrol car and use an electric car to save the planet is also crazy, where do these people think this electric is coming from? Green pixie fairies, I won't even get into the mining of lithium 

[robsblubot 3,595]

37 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

We also have no evidence they are not, and it's not just one event, the weather system has changed so much pre humans and changed alot after aswell, the idea that driving a non petrol car and use an electric car to save the planet is also crazy, where do these people think this electric is coming from? Green pixie fairies, I won't even get into the mining of lithium 

We do have TONS of evidence pointing to a man-made effect on climate.
The natural process of converting carbon into fossil fuels takes millions of years, and all that accumulated energy is being released by us all at once (immediately in earth years). I do tend to trust the opinions of experts, and right now they are saying this action is having an effect. 🤷‍♂️

I agree with the second part tho; the proposed solutions so far are laughable at best. Perhaps some form of efficient carbon sequestration will become available soon?

[cosmicway 1,333]

47 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

A BS tourism job where you serve drinks to a kid your age from the UK, who takes your girlfriend out back and bangs her while you work, isnt a job that inspires Greek Youth. Its the same way in Spain, and closer to home, Jamaica and the vast majority of the Caribbean.

 

There's a reason why kids leave for educational(and opportunity) opportunity you know that. When I visited Germany for work even in 2018 during the "improvement" every greek person there had left home because there was nothing there for them.

Not unnatural for them to go to Germany.
Greece is hardly the centre of things for such people.
We do not have a NASA or a CEA CERN or a Cavendish Laboratory in the GR.
Only roasted lambs and fish.
As for girlfriends being gang banged, it's their job - leave them.
But don't knock the pizza men. They make good money. I go sometimes to the old centre and I don't recognize it. Used to be pitch dark in the evenings but it's pubs everywhere.

With this economic crisis then the objective was to kill the middle class. Not the various pizza vendors, pizza deliverers, other workers.
The socialists started this back in 1993.
There was daily propaganda about the ... doctors of Kolonaki (n.b. the posh district) who were supposedly not paying taxes.
But why them and not the doctors in the working class neighbourhoods - mystery.
Then they taxed the ... poor sponge divers in the islands and the chestnut vendors !
After this we gradually moved into economic crisis years. Again the ... Kolonaki doctors on the tv.
I said "hey that crap was 15 years ago and you are not even changing the words", but in vain.
One of those doctors, right in the middle of Kolonaki, saved my life when I was a kid, but that's another story.
But them doctors are doing alright, thank you very much - it was the open air vendors of kites for clean Monday who were arrested for ... not paying taxes.

Anyway, perhaps I 'm a minority of one.
The commies are seemingly more worried about the ... windmills in the mountains producing aeolic power.
One -who did n't know me well- invited me to a such demo.
Of course I said no, but during this demo they smashed all the windows of Ermou street.
None was left standing and Ermou street is the commercial street with the boutiques - the Carnaby street of Athens.