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[Fernando 6,496]

35 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

A liberal Israeli is one who's getting off their land. You arent helping by committing theft by receiving.

 

The Idea that a bunch of kids partying next to a jail is on the side of the people of the jail is silly.

What land? Seriously you going there? lol 

Then Americans are the same as we took the land from the Native Americas. Australians are the same as they took it from the Aboriginals. and on and on. 

Ridicoules argument to be fair because we can go back until the beginning of the dawn of men and we would always be fighting this. 

In the end the point stand, it is racist saying all Germans are Nazi, saying all Palestinians are terrorist and all Jews are genocides.....

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[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

9 hours ago, Fernando said:

What land? Seriously you going there? lol 

Then Americans are the same as we took the land from the Native Americas. Australians are the same as they took it from the Aboriginals. and on and on. 

Ridicoules argument to be fair because we can go back until the beginning of the dawn of men and we would always be fighting this. 

In the end the point stand, it is racist saying all Germans are Nazi, saying all Palestinians are terrorist and all Jews are genocides.....

The land that was taken from the natives. 

 

You are right we did take land from others, and as people who did it is our job to make sure we dont allow such injustices to continue.

 

Murder existed since the dawn of men, that doesnt mean we were wrong to make laws outlawing it.

We made our view on Apartheid clear decades ago in this country. Its wrong our money goes to helping people perpetuate it in the middle of Western Asia. While kids starve here, while kids are missing here. I'd throw all our our politicians out behind this.

[Fernando 6,496]

13 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

The land that was taken from the natives. 

 

You are right we did take land from others, and as people who did it is our job to make sure we dont allow such injustices to continue.

 

Murder existed since the dawn of men, that doesnt mean we were wrong to make laws outlawing it.

We made our view on Apartheid clear decades ago in this country. Its wrong our money goes to helping people perpetuate it in the middle of Western Asia. While kids starve here, while kids are missing here. I'd throw all our our politicians out behind this.

Well that's something else. Just like Qatar gave money to Hamas and they instead of helping their people they decided to spend it on rockets and tunnels for terrorism. 

You will always have this problem of where the money is going and how it's being used. 

 

[Fernando 6,496]

@Sir Mikel OBEby the way Joel Richardson put it rightly, if you back Palestinians to do terrorism against Israel just because they took their land then you should back native American to slaughter and do terrorism against Americans because we took their land.

So Israel now lives their and they want to live in peace but it's surrounding by nations that wants to destroy them.

Joel Richardson talking some sense in this video. 

 

 

Edited November 21, 2023 by Fernando

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

4 hours ago, Fernando said:

@Sir Mikel OBEby the way Joel Richardson put it rightly, if you back Palestinians to do terrorism against Israel just because they took their land then you should back native American to slaughter and do terrorism against Americans because we took their land.

So Israel now lives their and they want to live in peace but it's surrounding by nations that wants to destroy them.

Joel Richardson talking some sense in this video. 

 

 

Very interesting video. He seems to have good convos on the podcast.

 

I dont think we can say they want to live in peace when a Jew cannot marry a Christian in Israel. We shouldn't be funding an apartheid state.

[Vesper 29,142]

9 hours ago, Fernando said:

@Sir Mikel OBEby the way Joel Richardson put it rightly, if you back Palestinians to do terrorism against Israel just because they took their land then you should back native American to slaughter and do terrorism against Americans because we took their land.

So Israel now lives their and they want to live in peace but it's surrounding by nations that wants to destroy them.

Joel Richardson talking some sense in this video. 

 

 

 

Joel Richardson is an 'end times' RW christian nut job

he sounds insane in that interview (and RW fascist and racist and sooo Islamophobic)

lol, he said Gun And Roses helped pave the wave for a 2nd holocaust!

come on!!

 

https://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/05/1062-joel-richardson.html

 

Joel Richardson is an anti-abortion activist, decorative painter, armchair apocalyptist and author, who writes for his own blog Joel’s Trumpet, for the WND, as well as for Glenn Beck’s website. His specialty appears to be international politics, on which he takes a decidedly Biblical stance. He has for instance written about how the possible collapse of the European Union may pose a problem for many end-times theologians and their predictions of Biblical prophecy – not for Biblical prophecies per se, to be sure, but for one particular school of endtimes thought. Richardson is himself pretty adamant about the upcoming endtimes, and most of his writings seem to be concerned with how a Muslim Antichrist will lead an army to attack Israel, in fulfillment of the Biblical prophets and the Book of Revelation and usher in the Armageddon. And of course the Muslims are in a revolutionary alliance with the leftists, because they share all the relevant values (i.e. disagreeing with Richardson).

 

Of course, his columns for WND are primarily advertisements for his own books (e.g. Mideast Beast: The Scriptural Case For an Islamic Antichrist and Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth About the Real Nature of the Beast, which asserts that “90 percent of the current world fighting involves Islamic terror movements,” though the number is made up) and DVDs about the endtimes, but the distinction between editorial content and advertising has never been taken particularly seriously by that particular website. According to WND Islamic Anti-Christ is also “almost certain to be greeted in the Muslim world with the same enthusiasm as Salman Rushdie’s ‘The Satanic Verses.’ And Richardson is prepared. He has written the book under a pseudonym to protect himself and his family.”

 

Richardson was at least able to see the positive side of an Obama (the “race-baiter”) reelection (which thrilled “millions of pot-heads, sodomites, pro-aborts and all common moochers”) despite his anti-Christian stance: it would help Christians know what it feels like to live in an oppressive state like Iran and take comfort in the fact that the Kingdom of God prophesied in the Bible lies ahead. Obama also foreshadows the Anti-Christ, according to Richardson, but that goes without saying. For an illustration of Richardson’s powers of thought, this one is pretty illuminating.

 

[Fernando 6,496]

8 hours ago, Vesper said:

 

Joel Richardson is an 'end times' RW christian nut job

he sounds insane in that interview (and RW fascist and racist and sooo Islamophobic)

lol, he said Gun And Roses helped pave the wave for a 2nd holocaust!

come on!!

 

https://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/05/1062-joel-richardson.html

 

Joel Richardson is an anti-abortion activist, decorative painter, armchair apocalyptist and author, who writes for his own blog Joel’s Trumpet, for the WND, as well as for Glenn Beck’s website. His specialty appears to be international politics, on which he takes a decidedly Biblical stance. He has for instance written about how the possible collapse of the European Union may pose a problem for many end-times theologians and their predictions of Biblical prophecy – not for Biblical prophecies per se, to be sure, but for one particular school of endtimes thought. Richardson is himself pretty adamant about the upcoming endtimes, and most of his writings seem to be concerned with how a Muslim Antichrist will lead an army to attack Israel, in fulfillment of the Biblical prophets and the Book of Revelation and usher in the Armageddon. And of course the Muslims are in a revolutionary alliance with the leftists, because they share all the relevant values (i.e. disagreeing with Richardson).

 

Of course, his columns for WND are primarily advertisements for his own books (e.g. Mideast Beast: The Scriptural Case For an Islamic Antichrist and Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth About the Real Nature of the Beast, which asserts that “90 percent of the current world fighting involves Islamic terror movements,” though the number is made up) and DVDs about the endtimes, but the distinction between editorial content and advertising has never been taken particularly seriously by that particular website. According to WND Islamic Anti-Christ is also “almost certain to be greeted in the Muslim world with the same enthusiasm as Salman Rushdie’s ‘The Satanic Verses.’ And Richardson is prepared. He has written the book under a pseudonym to protect himself and his family.”

 

Richardson was at least able to see the positive side of an Obama (the “race-baiter”) reelection (which thrilled “millions of pot-heads, sodomites, pro-aborts and all common moochers”) despite his anti-Christian stance: it would help Christians know what it feels like to live in an oppressive state like Iran and take comfort in the fact that the Kingdom of God prophesied in the Bible lies ahead. Obama also foreshadows the Anti-Christ, according to Richardson, but that goes without saying. For an illustration of Richardson’s powers of thought, this one is pretty illuminating.

 

But he is also for the Islamic people. They did a document of sheep among wolfs highlighting the difference between Iran the people and Iran regime. 

If he was hatred against the Iranians he would put all Iranians as bad. But he has shown that they are two different things and that people should never forget that. 

It's the same I have been saying. Just because Hamas is in Palestinian land we are not going to say Palestinians are all terrorists. There are good people who are different then the regime that is controlling the place. Likewise in Israel, not everyone wants war and killing, they want peace. And that was my original argument that is why I shared that video. 

You have the regime and you have the people, is two different things. 

They gave an interview on fox News exactly about this:

 

 

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[Vesper 29,142]

4 hours ago, Fernando said:

They gave an interview on fox News exactly about this:

that alone shows the RW rot

Fox News is the largest source of television RW disinfo (they self-admitted they lie in the defamation trial where in they lost close to 800 billion usd in punitive damages) on the planet

using Fox to somehow try and show credibility for this boke is like bringing in a convicted serial paedo to vouch for your behaviour around children if you applied to work at a pre-school

Edited November 22, 2023 by Vesper

[Fernando 6,496]

18 minutes ago, Vesper said:

that alone shows the RW rot

Fox News is the largest source of television RW disinfo (they self-admitted they lie in the defamation trial where in they lost close to 800 billion usd in punitive damages) on the planet

using Fox to somehow try and show credibility for this boke is like bringing in a convicted serial paedo to vouch for your behaviour around children if you applied to work at a pre-school

So your so close minded that everything that is Fox news is wrong. 

Yeah that is what wrong. Fox news says a lot of bad stuff that I don't agree likewise CNN, but there's some good stuff in both. But when hatred blinds you, everything is thrown out. 

And that is the message I been bringing and in what Joel Richardson and company has brought with their documentary of sheep among wolfs. That we shouldn't hate Islamic people because of the atrocities that Isis and Hamas do, but that their people, good people that don't represent this lot. Likewise with Jews. 

Sheep among wolfs is worth seeing, as how despite Iran is enemy of Israel there's a people in Iran that are different then what you see in the news. 

 

Edited November 22, 2023 by Fernando

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1 hour ago, Fernando said:

So your so close minded that everything that is Fox news is wrong. 

Yeah that is what wrong. Fox news says a lot of bad stuff that I don't agree likewise CNN, but there's some good stuff in both. But when hatred blinds you, everything is thrown out. 

And that is the message I been bringing and in what Joel Richardson and company has brought with their documentary of sheep among wolfs. That we shouldn't hate Islamic people because of the atrocities that Isis and Hamas do, but that their people, good people that don't represent this lot. Likewise with Jews. 

Sheep among wolfs is worth seeing, as how despite Iran is enemy of Israel there's a people in Iran that are different then what you see in the news. 

 

I find it extremely hard to believe a single word of information broadcasted by either Fox News or CNN in all honesty.

We've seen soo many ridiculous takes biased debates through both of those new outlets... I literally cannot stomach watching 5 minutes of either channel.

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How to insert opinion into Fox News with no sources...

 

[Fernando 6,496]

53 minutes ago, DDA said:

I find it extremely hard to believe a single word of information broadcasted by either Fox News or CNN in all honesty.

We've seen soo many ridiculous takes biased debates through both of those new outlets... I literally cannot stomach watching 5 minutes of either channel.

Yes in the general they tend to be biased. But I will say that of many news outlet. So I can easily say CNN is left wing and any one who watches that is wrong. Likewise I can say fox news is right wing and anyone who watches is just a right winger. 

Guilty by association. Like what is happening in Iran, if you're a Christian you're infedel so they can rape you, beat you up, kill you etc etc. 

That's why I find it sad that anyone who brings a fox News is automatically label as right winger likewise CNN the opposite. Without even considering if it brings any valuable insight. 

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

Yes in the general they tend to be biased. But I will say that of many news outlet. So I can easily say CNN is left wing and any one who watches that is wrong. Likewise I can say fox news is right wing and anyone who watches is just a right winger. 

Guilty by association. Like what is happening in Iran, if you're a Christian you're infedel so they can rape you, beat you up, kill you etc etc. 

That's why I find it sad that anyone who brings a fox News is automatically label as right winger likewise CNN the opposite. Without even considering if it brings any valuable insight. 

Or like In Israel. If you are a christian you are a second class citizen who cant marry a jewish woman.

[Vesper 29,142]

14 hours ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Yes in the general they tend to be biased. But I will say that of many news outlet.

Fox News and their hosts self-admittedly, hundreds of times in in a miltiplictdepositions. admit that they are not 'news'. but claim they are entertainment or propaganda.

Bellends like Hannity and Carlson used that line multiple times to try and claim non-culpability. saying no reasonable person would take what they say seriously.

CNN and MSNBC, whilst far from perfect, are not even in the same galaxy.

Fox News, RW hate radio (which is even older), Newsmax, OANN, etc etc and now RW social media have manipulated and gaslit tens of millions, encouraged their hatreds, fears, greed, and grievances, They have weaponised them, profited off them, with the outcome that you now will likely, sometime (AI now will speed this up) a likely violent rending apart of the union of the states if things go truly pear shaped. They are force multipliers for fascism, racism, hate, misogyny. fear, homophobia, and at the deepest core, annihilation of objective truth.

here is a pre Trump excellent documentary on how Fox News manipulates and poisons:

The Brainwashing of My Dad

 

Edited November 23, 2023 by Vesper

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Florida Republicans propose reporting students to Homeland Security for 'promoting terrorism'

https://www.reckon.news/news/2023/11/in-the-wake-of-pro-palestine-activism-florida-republicans-propose-reporting-students-to-homeland-security-for-promoting-terrorism.html

Florida college students could be investigated for supporting “foreign terrorism” threats under a new legislative proposal.

Republican lawmakers in the state House and Senate introduced companion bills (HB 465, SB 470) after an increase of student activism efforts – mostly in support of Palestine and a ceasefire – across the country and the state of Florida amid the Israel-Hamas war.

Opponents of the legislation warn that the proposals could have dire consequences for free speech.

“This legislation will have a chilling effect on all student expression throughout college campuses. I am concerned that this bill (HB 465), if implemented into law, will be weaponized by the state to suppress freedom of speech and ruin student’s lives by accusing them of promoting terrorism,” state Rep. Anna V. Eskamani, a Florida Democrat, told Reckon.

The bills put forth by state Sen. Blaise Ingoglia and Rep. John Temple, both Republicans from central Florida, state that foreign terrorist organizations include, but are not limited to, Hamas and Palestine Islamic Jihad.

A representative of Rep. Temple’s office said they would respond to Reckon but did not by the time of publication.

However, Rep. Temple told the Tallahassee Democrat, “Florida’s commitment is to stand with Israel and not be complicit to foreign terrorist organizations making postsecondary institutions a place for activism.”

The legislation, if passed, will require universities and colleges to report students who protest in support of ‘foreign terrorist organizations’ – not domestic terrorist organizations – as defined in the bill, to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Under the bill’s language, ‘promoting’ groups like Hamas and Palestine Islamic Jihad would also make students ineligible for institutional and state grants, financial aid, scholarships, tuition assistance and require students to pay out-of-state tuition without fee waivers.

The introduction of the bills follows students interrupting a Florida State University board of trustees meeting with Palestinian flags in hand and pro-Palestinian college students protesting outside of the Florida Capitol in Tallahassee last week.

“Students need to know their power and help fight back because this law will not just impact freedom of speech now, it will have a ripple effect for generations to come. Students need to come to Tallahassee, meet with lawmakers, contact their local representatives and senators and ensure that their rights are protected,” Rep. Eskamani said.

With both bills threatening First Amendment rights, many advocates, like the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE) and lawmakers see the legislation facing resistance.

“Any commentary on Hamas’s attack or Israel’s response is, of course, fair game for criticism and condemnation. That exchange of views is what the First Amendment protects. FIRE has long defended the free speech rights of speakers on all sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” FIRE wrote in a press statement.

“No matter your position on current events, you should oppose any and all restrictions on the First Amendment. This is bigger than any one of us or our political parties or positions,” Rep. Eskamani told Reckon.

If the bills pass during the legislative session in January, they will take effect July 1, 2024.

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