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[chippy 342]

On 24/02/2020 at 7:23 PM, Tomo said:

This is the big problem for me and why I can't accept Brexit. If the vote was won due to voters voting leave because they genuinely believe it's what is best for the country I would begrudgingly accept the result.

However take the votes from people like that women out and remain wins. It's genuinely shocking how many people have been brainwashed into believing the problems in Britain stem from foreign nationals, someone told me just after the vote that he voted leave because "people should live in their own country" 

Sorry, but you are wrong!

For the vast majority who voted to leave ( I didn't by the way) it is not about foreign nationals, it's simply about numbers of them coming in and for two reasons.

We live on a relatively small island which is already very over crowded in many places. 

Housing shortages. Hospital waiting times. Traffic congestion. School classes with too many pupils. Welfare spending  etc etc etc. And the Left think the way to help with these problems is to keep allowing millions and millions of people to come here. Shall we  build over all our green land and have giant flyovers everywhere? Sheer madness! 

And yes, many "native Brits", do not want to become a minority in their own country. which is already happening in places like London, Leicester, Birmingham. We already have a multi cultural, multi racial country, is that not enough? Do you actually want to see us carry on with massive, uncontrolled immigration  and end up with the almost complete displacement of the native people of Britain?

If you asked the native people of people of China, India, Nigeria, Russia, Norway if they'd like to see millions upon millions of foreigners coming into their country, do you think they'd say yes?

Anyway, how on earth is the new immigration policy in any way racist? It's the EU policy which discriminates against others, not this points one.

 

 

Also. Do you know that a Blair advisor (forget his name but i can find it if you want)  wrote an article in the evening standard where he admitted the Labour Party hated the white working class of this country, and that they were going to fundamentally change the racial makeup of this Country. They use immigrants as nothing more than election vote fodder to help them win power. 

At the end of the day we are essentially a liberal Conservative nation and the election stats over the last 100+ years  prove that beyond any doubt.

 

 

 

 

[Vesper 30,225]

LOL

Most of the top officials in the Trump administration (including the Secretary of State Pompeo, and Trump's Chief of Staff Mulvaney) are going around and claiming the coronavirus is probably a hoax cooked up the American Democrats and the US ENEMIES in the EU and the World Health Organisation designed to hurt Trump's chances getting re-elected in November!!! Pompeo even refused to answer under oath today when questioned in the House of Representatives

MADNESS

 

Media’s coronavirus stories trying to hurt Trump, Mick Mulvaney says as he urges public to turn off TV

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-chief-of-staff-mulvaney-suggests-people-ignore-coronavirus-news-to-calm-markets.html

White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney on Friday suggested that Americans should ignore media reports about the coronavirus amid fears of the deadly disease spreading into the U.S.
Mulvaney claimed that the media has only started paying close attention to the coronavirus because “they think this is going to be what brings down” President Trump.

 

 

 

 

btw

 

WHO raises coronavirus threat assessment to its highest level: ‘Wake up. Get ready. This virus may be on its way’

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/who-raises-risk-assessment-of-coronavirus-to-very-high-at-global-level.html

 

 

New 72 thousand plus case study: COVID-19 mortality rate for 70-79yo's 8%, 80 and over 14.8%

Characteristics of and Important Lessons From the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Outbreak in China

Summary of a Report of 72 314 Cases From the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention

Zunyou Wu, MD, PhD1; Jennifer M. McGoogan, PhD


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762130?guestAccessKey=bdcca6fa-a48c-4028-8406-7f3d04a3e932&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=022420

The Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention recently published the largest case series to date of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in mainland China (72 314 cases, updated through February 11, 2020).1 This Viewpoint summarizes key findings from this report and discusses emerging understanding of and lessons from the COVID-19 epidemic.

Epidemiologic Characteristics of the COVID-19 Outbreak
Among a total of 72 314 case records (Box), 44 672 were classified as confirmed cases of COVID-19 (62%; diagnosis based on positive viral nucleic acid test result on throat swab samples), 16 186 as suspected cases (22%; diagnosis based on symptoms and exposures only, no test was performed because testing capacity is insufficient to meet current needs), 10 567 as clinically diagnosed cases (15%; this designation is being used in Hubei Province only; in these cases, no test was performed but diagnosis was made based on symptoms, exposures, and presence of lung imaging features consistent with coronavirus pneumonia), and 889 as asymptomatic cases (1%; diagnosis by positive viral nucleic acid test result but lacking typical symptoms including fever, dry cough, and fatigue).1

Key Findings From the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention Report

72 314 Cases (as of February 11, 2020)

Confirmed cases: 44 672 (62%)

Suspected cases: 16 186 (22%)

Diagnosed cases: 10 567 (15%)

Asymptomatic cases: 889 (1%)

Age distribution (N = 44 672)

≥80 years: 3% (1408 cases)

30-79 years: 87% (38 680 cases)

20-29 years: 8% (3619 cases)

10-19 years: 1% (549 cases)

<10 years: 1% (416 cases)

Spectrum of disease (N = 44 415)

Mild: 81% (36 160 cases)

Severe: 14% (6168 cases)

Critical: 5% (2087 cases)

Case-fatality rate

2.3% (1023 of 44 672 confirmed cases)

14.8% in patients aged ≥80 years (208 of 1408)

8.0% in patients aged 70-79 years (312 of 3918)

49.0% in critical cases (1023 of 2087)

Health care personnel infected

3.8% (1716 of 44 672)

63% in Wuhan (1080 of 1716)

14.8% cases classified as severe or critical (247 of 1668)



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[manpe 10,861]

30 minutes ago, Vesper said:

LOL

Most of the top officials in the Trump administration (including the Secretary of State Pompeo, and Trump's Chief of Staff Mulvaney) are going around and claiming the coronavirus is probably a hoax cooked up the American Democrats and the US ENEMIES in the EU and the World Health Organisation designed to hurt Trump's chances getting re-elected in November!!! Pompeo even refused to answer under oath today when questioned in the House of Representatives

MADNESS

 

Media’s coronavirus stories trying to hurt Trump, Mick Mulvaney says as he urges public to turn off TV

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/28/trump-chief-of-staff-mulvaney-suggests-people-ignore-coronavirus-news-to-calm-markets.html

White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney on Friday suggested that Americans should ignore media reports about the coronavirus amid fears of the deadly disease spreading into the U.S.
Mulvaney claimed that the media has only started paying close attention to the coronavirus because “they think this is going to be what brings down” President Trump.

It is sickening how they spin everything to be around Trump. They all know they are bullshitting and they are doing it for money and power. Playing Trump's sick games is the only way they can increase the chances of retaining their warm places.

[Fernando 6,585]

19 hours ago, Vesper said:

Take a look at this chart, decades of gains. 

So just a little correction is good. 

From as low as 666 to this year recent high.

[Vesper 30,225]

40 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Take a look at this chart, decades of gains. 

So just a little correction is good. 

From as low as 666 to this year recent high.

posted it more for historical purposes

Largest daily point loss ever

 

(not in terms of percentage though)

that was

Black Monday (1987)

Black Monday is the name commonly attached to the large stock market crash of October 19, 1987.^[A] [1] In the United States, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell exactly 508 points (22.6%).

[Fernando 6,585]

40 minutes ago, Vesper said:

posted it more for historical purposes

Largest daily point loss ever

 

(not in terms of percentage though)

that was

Black Monday (1987)

Black Monday is the name commonly attached to the large stock market crash of October 19, 1987.^[A] [1] In the United States, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell exactly 508 points (22.6%).

Wow 22%, that is something. 

Geez that's like 2 to 3 years of gain wipe in one day! 

2008 I remember, that was something special as well. I was trading that day in an arcade trading firm. ahhh good times. 

[11Drogba 2,000]

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

25 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

 

Hahaha !

[Vesper 30,225]

31 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

 

wtf

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

As Johnson and his latest receptacle announce they've bred, the innocent woman he condemned to an Iranian prison Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe now has Coronavirus

[Vesper 30,225]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

As Johnson and his latest receptacle announce they've bred, the innocent woman he condemned to an Iranian prison Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe now has Coronavirus

he liked them Apples!!   gag

Will Boris and Carrie name their child Brexit? Bookies offer odds on surprise name

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1249481/Boris-johnson-baby-news-miss-birth-Carrie-Symonds-brexit-summit-june

 

[Fulham Broadway 17,333]

25 minutes ago, Vesper said:

he liked them Apples!!   gag

Will Boris and Carrie name their child Brexit? Bookies offer odds on surprise name

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1249481/Boris-johnson-baby-news-miss-birth-Carrie-Symonds-brexit-summit-june

 

Jennifer Arcuri the pole dancer tech expert was given over 130k of public money by Johnson, his current wankbag wanted an 80k tory central office expenses fiddle 'swept under the carpet'....expensive prossies, that he doesn't even pay for.....

[NikkiCFC 8,337]

Wow democrats will do everything to stop Sanders from nomination? They would rather have Trump as president? Buttigieg dropped from race and supported senile Biden because they told him to? There is no choice for people, everything is rigged. 

And now this.

 

[Vesper 30,225]

Bio

M.G. Piety lives in Philadelphia where she is a professor of philosophy at Drexel University. Piety came to Drexel from Copenhagen, where she lived from the fall of 1990 until the fall of 1998 and where she taught Kierkegaard and the history of European philosophy through DIS (Danish Institute for Study Abroad) then a division of the University of Copenhagen. She received her M.A. in philosophy from Bryn Mawr College and her Ph.D. in philosophy from McGill University in Montreal. (McGill, for those unfamiliar with Canadian universities, is one of the top universities in the world. It is rated 39th overall and 26th in the humanities in the Times of London “World University Rankings” for 2014-2015.)

 

A Lesson from the Danes on Immigration

Denmark is in the news again because of its purported hostility to immigrants. Brooke Harrington, a sociology professor at Dartmouth, published an op ed in the New York Times in December, with the inflammatory title “I Almost Lost My Career Because I Had the Wrong Passport,” in which she claimed she was nearly carted off to a Danish prison for giving invited guest lectures to the Danish parliament. It appears Danes have tightened up the immigration laws so swiftly recently that even the parliament was unaware it had become illegal for academics from outside the European Union to give guest lectures.

Harrington describes “cowering in the middle of [her] kitchen with [her] 7-year-old son, hoping that the two police officers pounding on the door of [her] Copenhagen apartment would not see [them].”

That detail is somewhat sensationalistic in that Danish police are famously civil and Danish prisons the envy of the world, as Harrington would know as she, like myself, lived in Denmark for eight years. The sensationalism served the purpose of the article, however, because the purpose was to draw an analogy between Denmark and the United States, and to point out how ultimately self-destructive are anti-immigrant policies. Harrington asserts, by way of illustration, that the negative publicity generated by her ordeal was likely the reason Denmark lost its bid to be the new home of the European Medicines Agency, an office of the EU that tests pharmaceuticals.

There are a number of problems, however, with the analogy Harrington draws between Denmark and the U.S. First, while it’s true that Denmark has become less welcoming to immigrants in recent years, the reasons behind this are far more complex than Harrington’s article suggests. The first, and most obvious reason, is that Denmark takes care of it immigrants in ways the U.S. does not. Immigrants benefit from the Danish social-welfare system just as do actual citizens. Denmark is not nearly so wealthy a country as the U.S., however. There is a limit to the number of people the Danes can take care of.

Unlike the United States, Denmark has few jobs for immigrants who have not yet mastered the native language. In fact, there are a limited number of jobs, period in a country of fewer than six million people with an unemployment rate of over 5%. Hence immigrants do not have the same positive role in the Danish economy that they have in the U.S. economy. Yet despite this, Danes have continued to welcome immigrants into their country, and to feed, clothe, and educate them.

“Nearly everyone,” Harrington admits, “from the prime minister who warned in an op-ed about overzealous immigration policy to government officials who tweeted about my case to the Danish police officer who read the charges against me over the phone, expressed regret about the absurdity of the prosecution.” Denmark also swiftly changed the law and dropped all charges against Harrington.

Danes appreciate the respects in which foreigners can enhance Danish culture. Denmark is a very small country, a fact of which every Dane is keenly aware. Danes are eager for the knowledge and experience that foreigners can bring to their culture and to the economy. What most Americans, including apparently Harrington, don’t realize, however, is that Danes are fiercely proud of their culture, a culture that the creeping contagion of globalization has long been eroding. When I moved to Denmark in 1990, nearly every shop, from department stores to grocery stores, was closed from early Saturday afternoon until Monday morning. Weekends, in Danish culture, were for family and friends. Florists were among the few shops that were open on the weekends because flowers were a traditional hostess gift.

Danes have, or at least had, a very easy-going lifestyle. They play, arguably, as much as they work and believe, probably correctly, that that is healthy. They even have federally enforced vacations that are paid for by payroll deductions. A small amount of money is deducted from each paycheck. Sometime early in the year, one receives a form from the government where one is required to record the dates one’s planned vacation. And then, like clockwork, several days before one’s vacation is scheduled to start, a check arrives in the amount that was deducted from one’s salary. This helps to ensure, they believe, that people will actually take a vacation, a practice they feel is absolutely essential to one’s general well being.

Things began to change, however, when 7-Eleven first appeared in Denmark back in the 1990s. They were open longer than other stores. Closing laws gradually changed, so now, if you run out of half and half on Saturday afternoon, you don’t have to make your way across town to the grocery store in the main train station, you can just go down the street.

Copenhagen used to be so peaceful and quiet on the weekends. That has changed. Many other things have changed as well, of course. After Denmark joined the European Union, Danes saw their autonomy gradually eroded as they were forced to bring their laws into line with those of the other EU countries whether they wanted to or not.

Danes are a proud people, with a culture they have reason to be proud of. And yet it is slipping through their fingers. I remember the first time I saw a foreigner speaking fluent Danish on a bus. This is a magnificent country, I thought then to myself. Danes took in foreigners and made them their own. Back then, nearly all the foreigners I encountered in Denmark, with the exception of Americans, spoke fluent Danish. Danish was really the only language one heard in public.

That isn’t true anymore. Denmark is afraid of becoming a multi-ethnic society because they fear their culture can’t sustain it. That is, they fear Danish culture will not continue to exist alongside other cultures but that it will simply be supplanted, eventually, by these other cultures. That may seem an irrational fear. Nearly every country is larger than Denmark, however, and one of the defining characteristics of the Danish psyche is an awareness of just how small Denmark is.

The situation in the U.S. is very different from the situation in Denmark. We don’t have a national culture in the same sense that the Danes do. We were a multi-ethnic society almost from the beginning and that is something of which we are justifiably proud.

We do share something with the Danes, however, and that is a gradual, but apparently relentless diminution in the quality of our lives and an erosion of our autonomy. If you want to see people behave badly, then make them feel threatened. History has tried to teach us that lesson over and over again and we refuse to learn in.

Liberals can sling all the mud they want at people they charge are bigots because they want to close the national doors to foreigners. If you want people to open their doors, though, you have to make sure there’s warmth inside to spare.

[11Drogba 2,000]

 

[manpe 10,861]

 

How anybody can support this guy over Bernie is beyond me.

[chippy 342]

7 hours ago, manpe said:

 

How anybody can support this guy over Bernie is beyond me.

From everything I've heard, Sanders is the American version of Corbyn. So there's your answer.

They don't do extreme Left anymore than we do!

 

 

 

[Vesper 30,225]

29 minutes ago, chippy said:

From everything I've heard, Sanders is the American version of Corbyn. So there's your answer.

They don't do extreme Left anymore than we do!

 

 

 

Sanders is only extreme left on the cocked-up yank political spectrum,  which has been slid so far to the right there is almost no comparison in the EU or UK. Every single thing that people in the US are going bonkers over about his programmes are already basic governance already in place, more or less, for decades, here and in a multitude of other nation states.

The furthest to the centre half to 2/3rds of the US Democratic Party would be centre right to right wing (especially the Blue Dogs, The No Labels group, and New Democrat Coalition) in most EU countries. Many of the Republicans would be considered radical far right wing, with at least a third considered outright racist white nationalists.

The country is fucked up badly, at base systemic level, and is led by a madmen with close to 100 million or so brainwashed numpty cunt Trumpian cult members.

[11Drogba 2,000]

 

[chippy 342]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Sanders is only extreme left on the cocked-up yank political spectrum,  which has been slid so far to the right there is almost no comparison in the EU or UK. Every single thing that people in the US are going bonkers over about his programmes are already basic governance already in place, more or less, for decades, here and in a multitude of other nation states.

The furthest to the centre half to 2/3rds of the US Democratic Party would be centre right to right wing (especially the Blue Dogs, The No Labels group, and New Democrat Coalition) in most EU countries. Many of the Republicans would be considered radical far right wing, with at least a third considered outright racist white nationalists.

The country is fucked up badly, at base systemic level, and is led by a madmen with close to 100 million or so brainwashed numpty cunt Trumpian cult members.

If America is so nasty, racist and "fucked up" why do so many millions of people from all across the world go and live there or would like to like to live there? 

More people from different backgrounds get to the top of their chosen profession  than any other country I can think of. 

Sure, there are racists there (including very anti white and anti jewish black racists) but no more so than most other countries.

Also, the demonising of people like Trump and Boris really isn't working. In fact, results shows the more the Left demonises them the more they push away their moderate, centre Left supporters. I come from a traditional Labour supporting family and not one of us would dream of voting for them these days and there are millions and millions more like us who've been pushed away.