Politics & Stuff

[Spike 12,049]

42 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

That does raise an interesting question about what 'peace' means, or rather for whom. I remember a great talk by Chomsky about what it means when states talk about 'security' and that it is usually security for the ruling class and their business buddies.

In the case of Peres, his most notable achievements are pioneering the Israeli nuclear program, bloodily suppressing the second Intifada and launching a war on Lebanon.That by no rational interpretation makes the average Israeli citizen more secure or at peace. On the contrary that only encourages more resistance and more violence. By far the best any Israeli government can do to enhance the security and peace of its citizens is to eliminate the cause of the violence by ending the occupation. 

The way I think of it is like this. Look at the Roman Republic during the Punic Wars. Carthago was the great enemy, it's existence was anathema to the survival of Rome (vice versa is also applied). Only through the complete destruction of Carthago could ensured 'peace' be achieved. Not to mention the control of the east-Mediterranean, trade routes and resources increasing the wealth and prosperity of the Roman people.

[Blue Armour 4,449]

9 hours ago, Spike said:

The way I think of it is like this. Look at the Roman Republic during the Punic Wars. Carthago was the great enemy, it's existence was anathema to the survival of Rome (vice versa is also applied). Only through the complete destruction of Carthago could ensured 'peace' be achieved. Not to mention the control of the east-Mediterranean, trade routes and resources increasing the wealth and prosperity of the Roman people.

I wonder whether Carthage could have subsisted if they had chosen not to resist the treaties/sanctions imposed upon them by Rome after each of the Punic wars. But like you said, conflict and destruction was probably inevitable especially with the struggle for supremacy and protecting interests, and the animosity towards each other...Delenda est Carthago, and all that.. 

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[lucio 5,418]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-isis-islamic-state-daesh-flag-legal-illegal-facebook-laholm-a7363211.html

so its fine to fly the ISIS flag in Sweden, but the Swedish flag?  no no, thats wacist and gets banned from schools.

western europe is so cucked, its unbelievable

[CHOULO19 24,332]

4 hours ago, lucio said:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-isis-islamic-state-daesh-flag-legal-illegal-facebook-laholm-a7363211.html

so its fine to fly the ISIS flag in Sweden, but the Swedish flag?  no no, thats wacist and gets banned from schools.

western europe is so cucked, its unbelievable

That's just media getting clicks. The full story is that ISIS's flag is not actually ISIS's. Meaning they didn't actually invent it. It's an ancient monochrome islamic symbol that is used by all muslims. Actually, here, let the independent themselves debunk their own article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-flag-what-do-the-words-mean-and-what-are-its-origins-10369601.html 

So yeah, ISIS's flag is not offensive because it doesn't belong to them.

Also, 'cucked' is not a word, let alone a political criticism. 

[lucio 5,418]

5 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

That's just media getting clicks. The full story is that ISIS's flag is not actually ISIS's. Meaning they didn't actually invent it. It's an ancient monochrome islamic symbol that is used by all muslims. Actually, here, let the independent themselves debunk their own article: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-flag-what-do-the-words-mean-and-what-are-its-origins-10369601.html 

So yeah, ISIS's flag is not offensive because it doesn't belong to them.

Also, 'cucked' is not a word, let alone a political criticism. 

The Nazi party didn't invent the swastika, still wouldn't want it near me

And language is arbitrary, so it is a word , if people understand it

[lucio 5,418]

Regardless, letting them fly a flag , which glorifies Mohammed, a mass murdering paedophile, at a time when Sweden has become the rape capital of Europe due to mass immigration, is still incredibly CUCKED

[CHOULO19 24,332]

10 hours ago, lucio said:

Regardless, letting them fly a flag , which glorifies Mohammed, a mass murdering paedophile, at a time when Sweden has become the rape capital of Europe due to mass immigration, is still incredibly CUCKED

It's called freedom of expression. You don't have to agree with it to support its right to be expressed.

The only issue with any expression's legality is whether or not it infringes on other people's rights. So if the vast majority of people see it and use it as a way to incite violence or to take away other people's rights, as is the case with the swastika, then you can make the argument that it should be illegal.

That is clearly not the case here since the vast majority who use that monochrome flag use it peacefully as their right for freedom of belief.

Absolutely no idea what you are talking about with the rest of that sentence, though. 

[Spike 12,049]

19 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

 

Also, 'cucked' is not a word, let alone a political criticism. 

It's just short for 'cuckolded'. I don't care for it but people can use the slang they wish, language evolves and this is just another addition to many's lexicon.

[lucio 5,418]

2 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

It's called freedom of expression. You don't have to agree with it to support its right to be expressed.

The only issue with any expression's legality is whether or not it infringes on other people's rights. So if the vast majority of people see it and use it as a way to incite violence or to take away other people's rights, as is the case with the swastika, then you can make the argument that it should be illegal.

That is clearly not the case here since the vast majority who use that monochrome flag use it peacefully as their right for freedom of belief.

Absolutely no idea what you are talking about with the rest of that sentence, though. 

if you are interested, basically since Sweden opened its borders, in the 70s i believe. the rape statistcs have skyrocketed and now stand as the highest in euope. however around 77% of the rapes are comitted by those with a "non swedish background"

Swedish police now tell women in many areas , not go go out alone

and thats only what isnt covered up

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival

“Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300 percent and rapes by 1,472 percent.

In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men.”

 

I think it is an overly femminist foreign policy, that has completely backfired. Alot of the migrants are young men from parts of the middle east and Africa, who come without families, and bring with them a different view and culture towards women , (Sweden has nude beaches ect). So it really does not work

 

http://fjordman.blogspot.co.uk/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html

i'm sure it was meant with good intentions, but its a classic case of don't fix what isn't broken

 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

8 minutes ago, lucio said:

if you are interested, basically since Sweden opened its borders, in the 70s i believe. the rape statistcs have skyrocketed and now stand as the highest in euope. however around 77% of the rapes are comitted by those with a "non swedish background"

Swedish police now tell women in many areas , not go go out alone

and thats only what isnt covered up

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival

“Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300 percent and rapes by 1,472 percent.

In an astounding number of cases, the Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men.”

 

I think it is an overly femminist foreign policy, that has completely backfired. Alot of the migrants are young men from parts of the middle east and Africa, who come without families, and bring with them a different view and culture towards women , (Sweden has nude beaches ect). So it really does not work

 

http://fjordman.blogspot.co.uk/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html

i'm sure it was meant with good intentions, but its a classic case of don't fix what isn't broken

 

That's fucked up that those girls at that music festival are never going to get justice. The perpetrators should be in jail.

But where did you get that 77% from? In the very Guardian article you posted it says that the state does not keep records based on ethnicity. I'd maybe believe 77% more likely to commit rape, but 77% of all rapes? I did quick search and immigrants in Sweden make up just over 10% of the population (about 1 out of 9.8 million), 77% is almost impossible to be true. 

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, CHOULO19 said:

That's fucked up that those girls at that music festival are never going to get justice. The perpetrators should be in jail.

But where did you get that 77% from? In the very Guardian article you posted it says that the state does not keep records based on ethnicity. I'd maybe believe 77% more likely to commit rape, but 77% of all rapes? I did quick search and immigrants in Sweden make up just over 10% of the population (about 1 out of 9.8 million), 77% is almost impossible to be true. 

its the statistic i've just seen all over the internet. some articles said around 65%, as they dont officially record it as you said, its not possible to be sure, but it is certainly far too high to ignore

there are lots of other stats

In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997–2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad and almost 20% were committed by Swedish born people of foreign background

In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. Those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented.^[42][43] Migrants have been associated with a series of highly publicized crimes, including the 2016 Sweden asylum center stabbing, and the 2015 Ikea stabbing attack.^[44]

The share of foreigners admitted to the Swedish Prison and Probation Service increased from 26% in 2003 to 33% in 2013 according to its statistics

 

anyway, the point I wanted to make, is that Sweden has done itself no favours with its immigration policy, and it is pretty much irreversible, and that the goverment would rather crack down on Swedish people criticising their policies or making a patriotic show than actually looking after its people

also this trend is also starting to happen in parts of Germany and Scandinavia

[Spike 12,049]

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On October 29, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Spike said:

Every day I wake and think to myself, "I want to be the man to take Huma Abedin's virginity".

She's painfully average.

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[CHOULO19 24,332]

By god, he could actually do it!  

That would just be HILARIOUS! What a shitty politician Clinton is. Who will the neoliberals blame if she actually manages to blow this!

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Just like for the Brexit.
It's the same circus of trolls.
One of them got killed in a traffic accident last month. The goverment spokesemen paid him a tribute saying he was an "invaluable co-worker". When it was pointed out to her "but this man was a known internet troll, what do you mean co-worker ?" she said "shame on you, you are fascists" ...