kobematabryant 400 Posted November 29, 2014 Share Posted November 29, 2014 Then you've forgot Hamburg (HSV) who won it in 1983.There is no point in continuing this argument. I'll just qoute you again when we see how many clubs from Germany and England advanced to knockout stages, and later to quarter finals.p.s. I agree with you that Premier League has more quality, but the gap between is not that big, especially not in the last few years...OK then, that's 3 German sides, still less than other leagues. Fair enough, you can quote all you want in the future stages of the UCL this season. When it comes down to German and English sides advancing to knockout stages, I think it'd be the same. Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea for England, don't see City going through. Leverkusen, Dortmund, Munich advancing for Germany. We'll see where Arsenal and Liverpool get up to. I can assure you, Leverkusen will crash out 2nd round and Dortmund may make Quarters at most. Munich on the other hand will crash out in the Semis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 "Abusive behavior" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroey 2,525 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Ballon d'or finalists:Messi, Ronaldo, Neuer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobematabryant 400 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Ballon d'or finalists:Messi, Ronaldo, NeuerWhy is Neuer even on the list? iseah100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobematabryant 400 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Hope Neuer doesn't win the Ballon D'or, it'd be an insult to greats like Lev Yashin. The only damn keeper to win the Balon D'or! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Hope Neuer doesn't win the Ballon D'or, it'd be an insult to greats like Lev Yashin. The only damn keeper to win the Balon D'or!Why? Neuer was a fucking beast this year, and who besides him should be nominated? Suarez wasn't even shortlisted. I think he's just there for the same reason names like Xavi, Iniesta, etc were there. Messi and Ronaldo are the only ones in contention. Viper22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Neuer not even was the best goalkeeper in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobematabryant 400 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Why? Neuer was a fucking beast this year, and who besides him should be nominated? Suarez wasn't even shortlisted. I think he's just there for the same reason names like Xavi, Iniesta, etc were there. Messi and Ronaldo are the only ones in contention.WTF, Neuer wasn't even the best GK in the WC. Keylor Navas was far better than him. Neuer did not have the most amount of clean sheets either. On what basis was he nominated for Ballon D'Or? Look at this:http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/xwcek6q-2094158.pngShall I name you who else should've been shortlisted? Robben, Zlatan, Suarez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobematabryant 400 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 If Neuer is nominated for Ballon D'or, then why isn't our Courtois nominated? Conceded far less goals for Atletico, far less in the Champions league and even conceded less open play goals at the WC (counted up to Quarters). illmatic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 If Neuer is nominated for Ballon D'or, then why isn't our Courtois nominated? Conceded far less goals for Atletico, far less in the Champions league and even conceded less open play goals at the WC (counted up to Quarters).Because in the real world Neuer is on a completely different level to any keeper in the world at the moment.I never know what the criteria is for the Ballon D'or. If it is for the best player regardless of what his team won or how many he scored but based purely and completely on ability then Messi should have won the past 5 or 6 and should pick up this one as well. But I guess that doesn't 'sell'. Viper22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobematabryant 400 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Because in the real world Neuer is on a completely different level to any keeper in the world at the moment.I never know what the criteria is for the Ballon D'or. If it is for the best player regardless of what his team won or how many he scored but based purely and completely on ability then Messi should have won the past 5 or 6 and should pick up this one as well. But I guess that doesn't 'sell'. What do you mean by "different level to any keeper"? Are you talking about sweeper keeper styled play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 What do you mean by "different level to any keeper"? Are you talking about sweeper keeper styled play? That's obviously a huge bonus because he has incredible technical ability and reading of the game for a goalkeeper, but even if you take his keeping skills alone, he's the best in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 That's obviously a huge bonus because he incredible technical ability and reading of the game for a game, but even if you take his keeping skills alone, he's the best in the world. But that only works because Neuer this year had incredible luck. Usually he has 2 or 3 mega blunders that cost a goal per season because of his advantageous style of play. Being a regular observer of both IMO there are only a few major differences in quality between our own Tibo and Neuer. First obviously Neuer is more prepared to storm out of his goal for long balls and as a consequence often is found further up. But if that is a necessary advantage I don't know because not everytime he comes out of his goal is really necessary + I don't remember Tibo conceding once only because he did not chase a long ball....Secondly Neuer usually parries over the bar or around the post instead of letting it bounce just in front of him. He concedes more corners but is not forced to further saves. In terms of reflexes and box control, Tibo is even a tad better than Neuer. Though Neuer's kicking and ability on the ballin general is better. The season he has had would make him deserve that Ballon D'or. We all know it will be Ronaldo. But what is that award still worth, when the player who actually had the best season of all is not even nominated. iseah100 and CHOULO19 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 But that only works because Neuer this year had incredible luck. Usually he has 2 or 3 mega blunders that cost a goal per season because of his advantageous style of play. Is it luck or has he improved and perfected his decision making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Judging GKs purely on clean sheets. I'll be the first to say that Neuer looks like the type of man that would have graduated from the Hitler Youth into the Schutzstaffel but he is hands down the best GK in the past several years. Viper22 and iseah100 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Judging GKs purely on clean sheets. I'll be the first to say that Neuer looks like the type of man that would have graduated from the Hitler Youth into the Schutzstaffel but he is hands down the best GK in the past several years.i said to my wife he does look like the prototype Hitler youth ,, In our penalty shoot out against them he was Arrogancepersonified .. It just made our win 10000% better ,, He is a great keeper however but in 5 years I believe Courtois will be as good iseah100 and Spike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 i said to my wife he does look like the prototype Hitler youth ,, In our penalty shoot out against them he was Arrogancepersonified .. It just made our win 10000% better ,, He is a great keeper however but in 5 years I believe Courtois will be as goodHaha, what a coincidence. I thought the exact same thing to myself. I remember it very clearly. I was so sick with the common cold I was wrapped in several layers of blankets. The cold winter sun almost blocked the TV with glare but I could still make out the absolute arrogance of his body language. When Didier finally put the finally in, I screamed "fuck you Nazi bastards" or another similar offensive statement. It really hurt my throat. Viper22, zolayes and iseah100 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illmatic 901 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 i said to my wife he does look like the prototype Hitler youth ,, In our penalty shoot out against them he was Arrogancepersonified .. It just made our win 10000% better ,, He is a great keeper however but in 5 years I believe Courtois will be as goodFor me Courtois is already better. And I don't say that only for be a Chelsea fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 For me Courtois is already better. And I don't say that only for be a Chelsea fan.Nah, he's not. Ronaldo will win and deserves it, he has impacted more games directly and won more trophies. Viper22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Ronaldo all day long this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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