Andreas Christensen

[Mufassir08 2,400]

11 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

If we sign Van Dijk, Ake or Zouma, or both, are going on loan or will be sold imo.

I could see a deal taking place which would see Ake go either on loan or permanently to Soton to replace the departing Virgil. 

[ulvhedin 525]

Amazing:

 

 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,060]

On 27/03/2017 at 0:43 AM, Yeboii said:

According to reports Chelsea tried to bring him back for months last summer (and last season), but Borussia wouldn't budge out of the 2 year loan deal.
I guess they didn't want to ruin relationships with loan clubs since no one would trust the club and take their loanees. If they start playing well and doing good things for their team Chelsea would just take them back if they want.

Also, Aké can play many positions while Christensen is only a CB. Maybe that was a factor.

I don't think it's even a question of not wanting to damage relationships with other clubs, although that should always be an important consideration. It's a simple fact of contract law. If there is a binding contract, then it's binding unless all parties agree to vary its terms. Gladbach did not agree to release Andreas and the lad did not agree to return. Nothing Chelsea could do in those circumstances.

[DYC. 7,542]

14 hours ago, ulvhedin said:

Amazing:

 

 

He also won 7 aerial duels yesterday, which is impressive.

He's greatly improved his aerial game this season. Last season he won 2,9 out of 4,9 aerial duels (59%) per game. This season it's 3 out of 4.2 (71%). An impressive figure.

Luiz is on 53%, Cahill 61% and Azpi 54%. But fair play to them, PL is tougher than the BL in this area. A night of facing crosses vs Benteke, Carroll, Llorente, Rondon is no party. But Christensen is good in the air.

[Unionjack 7,531]

On 27/03/2017 at 7:49 PM, Special Juan said:

We could of changed the name to Moses a few seasons ago but looked how that's panned out.....The big difference now is the manager.....willing to give people a chance even if they aren't a household name but are working very hard.

 

On 31/03/2017 at 10:16 PM, Iggy Doonican said:

I don't watch European football at all but the best thing about TC is all you young fuckers  do and and I read and massively respect your opinions. So is Christensen a massive prospect or just another kid destined for Vitesse Arnhem ?. 

I'm exactly the same mate

 

Look guys I kinda agree with most of you and I can understand all the reasons given to choose any of our new CB choices.

But for those of us who want Andreas/Happy/Ake are you selecting them purely because of their youth and history with us?

And for those who would like van Dijk/Bonucci etc etc is it because you want a new shiny expensive player?

My problem is I'm a typical Libran and unless a choice is obvious I cant make my mind up. and it sometimes does my head in.

My question to you all is given that your choice might just change the way our next 2 or 3 seasons goes are you willing to gamble that with your choice?

Whats putting me off Andreas is he sounds like some spoiled diva who has had his ego stroked and everyones blowing smoke up his arse. He thinks we owe him a regular starting spot and you just know he will squeem and squeem till he gets his way. Thats not how a team player sounds to me. We dont hear that Cescy has held his breath till he gets a starting spot

Ive always loved Happy and there was nothing I'd have loved to see more than pairing him with Varane. But I see this injury is still affecting him as it would and I really dont know about the lad now.

So me if I had to risk our next 2 or 3 seasons on a Cahill replacement (which I guess is what we are looking at) I would go with a  complete,ried and tested guy like Bonucci.

Yes I would also more than likely keep Andreas and hope that Conte can get into his head and give him the experience/time so when we have had Bonuccis last years and sold him to China for a profit then we got Andreas all sorted in place.             

[The Skipper 20,609]

We'd be absolutely stupid not to give Andreas big game time next season, or even for the rest of his career to be honest. He quantifies as Home Grown right? Also quantifies as Academy Trained, if I'm not incorrect? If so, Andreas is gearing to be our first true academy talent since JT to come through and start regularly. And it's great timing too, seeing as JT is on his last legs.

Same with Nathan Ake actually. He must be kept. I hope the club realises this.

Right now as HG players, we have (those who are also 'academy trained' are in bold):

Fabregas
Begovic (who's probably leaving)
Ake
RLC
Moses
Cahill
Chalobah
Solanke
Terry (probably retiring)
Aina

Total of 10 HG players, with 6 'academy trained' players. Out of the above, we have JT and Begovic who will most likely leave, Aina will probably go out on loan too. That leaves us with 6 HG players and 3 academy trained. We need 4 in the UCL. I doubt we're going to be keeping ALL of Ake, RLC and Chalobah either. I'd like it if we ended up with something like this for the foreseeable future though (I've made some deductions on the players I don't think will stay):

Fabregas
Christensen
Ake
RLC
Chalobah
Baker
Moses
Cahill

I've underlined those that are on loan that I think should be included into the squad when back. This gives us 8 HG players PLUS 5 academy trained talents, which means we'd meet our 'English' quota for the CL and the FA quite nicely. I hope the club have something like this in the plans. Baker is good enough to be a squad player here IMO. We have to keep hold of our decent talents at least for the CL quota. With that, our squad next season will hopefully look something like this:

Courtois, x, x
Azpi, Luiz, Christensen, Ake, Cahill, Zouma?
Moses, Alonso, x, x
Fabregas, Kante, Chalobah, Baker, x
Hazard, Pedro, Willian, RLC, x
x, x
('x' marks where we'll probably see new players next season).

So, with that being said, it looks like we need to bring in some goalkeepers (or keep Bego and/or Eduardo), some wing backs, a top CM, a top wide forward and two strikers (I don't think Batshuayi will stay). Here's what the 25 man squad could potentially look like:

Courtois, Butland?, Eduardo
Azpi, Luiz, Christensen, Ake, Cahill, Zouma?
Moses, Alonso, Mendy, Oxlade-Chamberlain?/Semedo?
Fabregas, Kante, Chalobah, Baker, Fabinho?
Hazard, Sanchez?, Pedro, Willian, RLC
Belotti?, Batshuayi?

That is a very nicely balanced squad imo, and covers all bases very well.

[Tomo 21,751]

4 hours ago, The Skipper said:

We'd be absolutely stupid not to give Andreas big game time next season, or even for the rest of his career to be honest. He quantifies as Home Grown right? Also quantifies as Academy Trained, if I'm not incorrect? If so, Andreas is gearing to be our first true academy talent since JT to come through and start regularly. And it's great timing too, seeing as JT is on his last legs.

Same with Nathan Ake actually. He must be kept. I hope the club realises this.

Right now as HG players, we have (those who are also 'academy trained' are in bold):

Fabregas
Begovic (who's probably leaving)
Ake
RLC
Moses
Cahill
Chalobah
Solanke
Terry (probably retiring)
Aina

Total of 10 HG players, with 6 'academy trained' players. Out of the above, we have JT and Begovic who will most likely leave, Aina will probably go out on loan too. That leaves us with 6 HG players and 3 academy trained. We need 4 in the UCL. I doubt we're going to be keeping ALL of Ake, RLC and Chalobah either. I'd like it if we ended up with something like this for the foreseeable future though (I've made some deductions on the players I don't think will stay):

Fabregas
Christensen
Ake
RLC
Chalobah
Baker
Moses
Cahill

I've underlined those that are on loan that I think should be included into the squad when back. This gives us 8 HG players PLUS 5 academy trained talents, which means we'd meet our 'English' quota for the CL and the FA quite nicely. I hope the club have something like this in the plans. Baker is good enough to be a squad player here IMO. We have to keep hold of our decent talents at least for the CL quota. With that, our squad next season will hopefully look something like this:

Courtois, x, x
Azpi, Luiz, Christensen, Ake, Cahill, Zouma?
Moses, Alonso, x, x
Fabregas, Kante, Chalobah, Baker, x
Hazard, Pedro, Willian, RLC, x
x, x
('x' marks where we'll probably see new players next season).

So, with that being said, it looks like we need to bring in some goalkeepers (or keep Bego and/or Eduardo), some wing backs, a top CM, a top wide forward and two strikers (I don't think Batshuayi will stay). Here's what the 25 man squad could potentially look like:

Courtois, Butland?, Eduardo
Azpi, Luiz, Christensen, Ake, Cahill, Zouma?
Moses, Alonso, Mendy, Oxlade-Chamberlain?/Semedo?
Fabregas, Kante, Chalobah, Baker, Fabinho?
Hazard, Sanchez?, Pedro, Willian, RLC
Belotti?, Batshuayi?

That is a very nicely balanced squad imo, and covers all bases very well.

Cant imagine Butland accepting #2, i think we will go for Muslera. One day i hope a decent PL standard keeper comes out of the academy and his happy to spend his career on the bench for his boyhood club, like Steve Harper at Newcastle.

[The Skipper 20,609]

Just now, Tomo said:

Cant imagine Butland accepting #2, i think we will go for Muslera. One day i hope a decent PL standard keeper comes out of the academy and his happy to spend his career on the bench for his boyhood club, like Steve Harper at Newcastle.

I was just plugging gaps tbh. Can be anyone.

[DYC. 7,542]

4 hours ago, The Skipper said:

 

I've underlined those that are on loan that I think should be included into the squad when back. This gives us 8 HG players PLUS 5 academy trained talents, which means we'd meet our 'English' quota for the CL and the FA quite nicely. I hope the club have something like this in the plans. Baker is good enough to be a squad player here IMO. We have to keep hold of our decent talents at least for the CL quota. With that, our squad next season will hopefully look something like this:

Courtois, x, x
Azpi, Luiz, Christensen, Ake, Cahill, Zouma?
Moses, Alonso, x, x
Fabregas, Kante, Chalobah, Baker, x
Hazard, Pedro, Willian, RLC, x
x, x
('x' marks where we'll probably see new players next season).

It's scary but those are the exact eight HG players I have in the fantasy squad in my head. I'd love for Baker to stay. Chelsea boy who at least possesses a specialty, his delivery and attempts from set-pieces. Decent shooting from range as well. But I honestly don't see it happening.

No need for six CBs though. Back-ups won't get a lot game time bar injuries and if you do have an emergency at the back with three CBs out injured, you simply revert to a back four.

[The Skipper 20,609]

3 minutes ago, DYC. said:

It's scary but those are the exact eight HG players I have in the fantasy squad in my head. I'd love for Baker to stay. Chelsea boy who at least possesses a specialty, his delivery and attempts from set-pieces. Decent shooting from range as well. But I honestly don't see it happening.

No need for six CBs though. Back-ups won't get a lot game time bar injuries and if you do have an emergency at the back with three CBs out injured, you simply revert to a back four.

It's why I put a ? on Zouma. He could go out on loan. We'd still have Marcos possibly covering at CB if we needed to. Not a big loss tbh. You're right though - those 8 HG players must stay. I hope the club has been building it up to this.

[Artandur 939]

 

 

[DYC. 7,542]

40 minutes ago, Artandur said:

 

 

I remain hopeful he'll return and become a mainstay. I'd be extremely disappointed if that wasn't the case and wouldn't ever raise my hopes concerning youth players again.

[Artandur 939]

1 hour ago, DYC. said:

I remain hopeful he'll return and become a mainstay. I'd be extremely disappointed if that wasn't the case and wouldn't ever raise my hopes concerning youth players again.

If we'd do to him what's happening to Ake at the moment would be tragic.

[The Skipper 20,609]

6 hours ago, Artandur said:

 

 

Who was it that was worried about whether he'd cope in the PL with challenges? @BlueLyon? The guy is such a clean defender it doesn't matter. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

5 hours ago, The Skipper said:

Who was it that was worried about whether he'd cope in the PL with challenges? @BlueLyon? The guy is such a clean defender it doesn't matter. 

Indeed and I still am. My point was that he is not better in air than Cahill, and we already struggle in set pieces. Meanwhile Luiz and Azpi are atm not replacable. 

For obvious reasons I would never compare Buli and PL when it comes to defenders. Just take example in Boateng. Not saying he is the rule, but there is obvious that doing it well in germany wont mean the same in PL. Now obviously Christensen has plenty of time to develop further, after all Carvalho wasnt buff either. 

But what is more, Christensen never realy impressed me against better teams tbh. Not yet at least. He can be fantastic sometimes, but everytime they faced a better opponent, it ended with poor performance of both, christensen and bmg as whole. 

Generaly I will always prefer old school defenders, more so in such physical league like PL. They are reliable, there is certain guarantee they wont do some stupid shit and will get the job done. Also, players like Terry, Rio, Vidic gave alot more danger in corners, than what Christensen can offer IMO. Stones, Marquinhos, Christensen, Silva, Ramos (Luiz in past) all these modern CBs are doing so many awful mistakes in some games, its not even funny. 

They make nice passes and control the ball realy well for a CB, then suddenly all the hype they are awesome CBs and one of best in the world. Ramos is a joke of defender in so many games, but he replaces that with leadership and goals. Thiago Silva is a joke since he moved to PsG. Marquinhos has fart moments like against barca. And we all know how Stones plays and how Luiz played.

Tbf if Christensen wasnt already ours and a product of youth development, I wouldnt even consider him for Chelsea. I would prefer Dijk any day. 

Christensen right now is good, he gets so much hype because of his smooth ball skills. Wouldnt surprise me if he had same problems Stones has right now. 

But since he is already ours, lets give him a run. Maybe Im horribly wrong and he will turn great. 

I think he can be good defender, dont get me wrong, but just not my type of CB for this league and our current needs. We need powerful, decently skilled and experienced leader type CB if we are about to replace either of our current 3 CBs.