Kevin de Bruyne

[Tomo 21,733]

Maybe if De Bruyne/Mata had gotten the minutes Oscar got, things would have turned out differently...

There is that but then again, you conveniently left out the part where he hasn't been playing in his best position for years. Having seen what he can do in that position for us, you would be lying to say that he wouldn't do better as the No.10 than Oscar, Willian and even Hazard.

That's fair but on the flip side, he went off the boil in the second half of 12/13 when he was not only playing at number ten, he had the whole team built around him. Also he was often on the left in a 4-3-3 under AVB and was decent,so its not like he can't play in other positions.

[zolayes 14,489]

Kenedy has got decent minutes this season tbh.

mourhinho's token youth.. look round at other clubs

[Tomo 21,733]

mourhinho's token youth.. look round at other clubs

Doesn't mean he has to play them, how many minutes did Lukaku get under AVB?

[zolayes 14,489]

Doesn't mean he has to play them, how many minutes did Lukaku get under AVB?

We sacked AVB tho his record was better than this year

[Jase 43,479]

That's fair but on the flip side, he went off the boil in the second half of 12/13 when he was not only playing at number ten, he had the whole team built around him.

C'mon Tomo. Players lose form from time to time but that doesn't take away he's great as the No.10 and we shouldn't also forget that we played nearly 70 games(!) that season.

Also he was often on the left in a 4-3-3 under AVB and was decent,so its not like he can't play in other positions.

Not saying he can't play in other positions. He can but he's way better when utilized in the No.10 position.

[Essien19 1,415]

this is what absolutely baffles me.

to sell mata and have oscar as his no.10 and then try to fill the creative void with cesc as a midfielder.

hopeless decisions and massive mistakes. i mean wanting your deep players to create and your no.10 to defend. one of the funniest decisions i have seen anyon make.

I think the tasks are shifting during a game. Fabregas plays as a number 10 too, but sadly he isn't dangerous enough; passing passing and again passing,

that's what he's all about and that isn't good enough, not when the team needs more, a midfielder who brings structure and calmness to the game.

Is it to much to ask for covering the right ground?

Yes, Loftus-Cheek, Matic and others haven't been good enough either, but someone has to start!

Maybe we should go after Kroos, he features everything that i want to have, maybe lack balls, but i can settle for that.

For me Fabregas at Arsenal was on another level, he was the complete package and able to do that.

He couldn't go on like that at Barca, now he has regressed even more and we're in big trouble.

The last 2 games weren't that bad imo, maybe, but Spurs are a different class nowadays, big test ahead of the spaniard.

For me, Fabregas has been playing better then Oscar, at least during the last weeks.

The thing is, afterwards it's easy to tell you that, yes i know that you predicted Fabregas downfall.

Back in the day Oscar was playing really well, only a few could have predicted the upcoming disaster. I didn't see it coming...

Mata is a good player, but not a deep lying playmaker, he is more of a striker, i think on paper, Fabregas could add more to the team. Jose thought that too.

Maybe i'm out of line, but i prefer Fabregas instead of Mata, only as a player, as a human being Mata all day long.

Shortly after Mata and De Bruyne had left, Oscar started regressing, we had to add some more creativity to the team, Fabregas won us the league, so not that bad,

but in last transfer window we should have brought in a guy like Javi Martinez, who certainly knows how to defend.

Yes, Rakitic would have been the better choice, but what can i say, what can i do. It's too late now.

Tomorrow a season defining match lies ahead of us imo, when has Mourinho ever gone with Oscar as a starter in a big away game?

I really don't get it:

Oscar is fit, he is young but alreay experienced, played during the world cup in his home country, pulled a great match against Croatia, took the piss out of Pirlo,

scored some "worldies" in the league, definitely knows how to handle pressure, but this season his performances haven't improved one fuckin' bit.

I'm clueless what to do.

Maybe when the team is ticking, therefore 2 new defenders and a new number 6 are required, he could up his game. Big if!

You are not wrong, the outcome is bad, but the lack of depth baffles me.

Most of the elite teams have more depth, at our house we're always having to pick three of Matic, Fabregas, Ramires, Mikel and sometimes Oscar (but not reliable (big games)), Loftus-Cheek being left out.

That's on the board, Mourinho didn't make that choice, if he had a say, some of the goners would have been still at the club.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

He needs to step up massively to even begin to pay off his huge price tag and make it look anything except a good idea for Mou to let him go.

Good enough for ya?

[didierforever 7,349]

Kenedy has got decent minutes this season tbh.

in a season where our wingers and AMs in general except for willian have been horiible to watch, kenedy still has not got a single PL start as a winger. the only start he got was as an LB.

look at how he has handled RLC. i mean cesc in his early season form and Rambo were continously chosen over him. RLC has not got one start in the pivot playing along with matic , has he?

the amount of young talent at our disposal and the way jose handles it, is absolutely horrendous.

[borriske 330]

Bertrand: De Bruyne dazzled us at Chelsea training

“It’s so easy for everyone to say how much he has improved since leaving Chelsea but the truth is he always had it. He just, for whatever reason, was not given the opportunity to show it at Chelsea.”

http://www.squawka.com/news/bertrand-de-bruyne-dazzled-us-at-chelsea-training/532202#dww1osi2ivZY3gRq.99

[zolayes 14,489]

Bertrand: De Bruyne dazzled us at Chelsea training

“It’s so easy for everyone to say how much he has improved since leaving Chelsea but the truth is he always had it. He just, for whatever reason, was not given the opportunity to show it at Chelsea.”

http://www.squawka.com/news/bertrand-de-bruyne-dazzled-us-at-chelsea-training/532202#dww1osi2ivZY3gRq.99

What does Bertrand know .. Just another coward unwilling to fight for his place . Jose KNOWS BEST

[didierforever 7,349]

Mata is a good player, but not a deep lying playmaker, he is more of a striker, i think on paper, Fabregas could add more to the team. Jose thought that too.

Maybe i'm out of line, but i prefer Fabregas instead of Mata, only as a player, as a human being Mata all day long.

Shortly after Mata and De Bruyne had left, Oscar started regressing, we had to add some more creativity to the team, Fabregas won us the league, so not that bad,

but in last transfer window we should have brought in a guy like Javi Martinez, who certainly knows how to defend.

Yes, Rakitic would have been the better choice, but what can i say, what can i do. It's too late now.

i wa discussing this with TOMO and he said the same thing about mata, so probably the problem is the way i am putting things.

i am not saying we should have played mata as a DLP. i am saying that mata as a no.10 is a way better player than cesc as a no.10.

cesc was bought mainly to give some creativity to us. but i would rather have a defensively liable no.10 than a defensively liable DLP.

for eg

costa

hazard mata willian

matic rakitic/schneiderlein/kondogbia/imbula/any CM

is a way more balanced and creative team than

costa

hazard oscar willian

matic cesc.

having a defensively poor no.10 is acceptable but having a defensively poor DLP and then having the no.10 to cover for him is just suicidal.

and yes, cesc did have a massive hand in helping us win the PL, but thats exactly what it was. short term thinking. 28 year old regressing player bought who does nothing but mainly de-stabilize every team he has been a part of, was simply a very poor decision by jose. and its showing.

Tomorrow a season defining match lies ahead of us imo, when has Mourinho ever gone with Oscar as a starter in a big away game?

I really don't get it:

Oscar is fit, he is young but alreay experienced, played during the world cup in his home country, pulled a great match against Croatia, took the piss out of Pirlo,

scored some "worldies" in the league, definitely knows how to handle pressure, but this season his performances haven't improved one fuckin' bit.

I'm clueless what to do.

Maybe when the team is ticking, therefore 2 new defenders and a new number 6 are required, he could up his game. Big if!

people say ramires has been mooching off off us and living on his 11-12 performances. i say oscar has been living on one juventus game.

i am sorry, but i never got the hype surrounding oscar. a bang average player who could do a "job". thats it. that juventus was a brilliant one and gave people some wrong ideas about his "potential". oscar has not regressed. he is the same old oscar. he can score an odd goal here and there, run around and thats pretty much it. there was a time when he used to put in tackles, thats one place where i would say he has regressed.

his performance last year against newcastle was pretty much how he normally plays. poor. poor for the whole half, then by willian's intelligence in taking a quick corner, oscar gets a tap-in, and then people show his "stats".

the same performance was given by him against tel-aviv and pretty much most of the time he plays for us.

and then people try to give stupid excuses, the best one of which was "HE HAS NOT HAD A PRE-SEASON".

i mean, what the actual fuck? even our own manager thought oscar's glaring technical limitations and issues would be resolved by a pre-season.

laughable.

anyways, for me there are no more IFs regarding oscar. he is an average player who needs to go and we need an upgrade. we had mata and kdb, but we lost those 2 cos our manager stupidly put all his eggs in oscar's basket.

You are not wrong, the outcome is bad, but the lack of depth baffles me.

Most of the elite teams have more depth, at our house we're always having to pick three of Matic, Fabregas, Ramires, Mikel and sometimes Oscar (but not reliable (big games)), Loftus-Cheek being left out.

That's on the board, Mourinho didn't make that choice, if he had a say, some of the goners would have been still at the club.

massively disagree.

look at our squad when jose came in

AMs - mata, oscar, hazard, willian, kdb, schurrle, moses

defenders - JT, GC, luiz, iva, azpi, cole, bertrand.

even now look at some of our players on loan - moses, salah, cuadrado, christensen, pasalic, mvg.

and then there was the likes of luis, lukaku.

if we had got stones, i can bet that zouma would have been our 4th choice CB. thats jose for u.

"if he had a say". he did have a say. all of this was his own say. jose has said time and again that he simply likes a small squad. a small squad can work for a season or 2, after which they simply go over the line. thats what has happened to a lot of our players. jose does not know how to rotate the squad and keep them happy. how can you expect to keep the likes of kdb and mata happy on the bench in a world cup year. how can you keep lukaku happy when you start schurrle at OLD TRAFFORD as a striker. 90% of the things are jose's fault. he can say "i did not want to sell the players but i wont keep a player who wants to leave". well, they want to leave because of his poor selections and rotations.

[Muzchap 8,966]

This is a bit pointless now

We all know, even the most ardent Mou defenders that we have fucked up with quite a few players over the past few seasons and that no matter what is said, Mou will never take a risk and integrate youth. We have a chequebook manager, it's that simple. If we had Bertrand, KdB, Mata and Lukaku we would have a much stronger team than now. Yes the prices we received for these players was great and helped us in the FFP fight, but the problem is we haven't invested the money wisely. We have wasted it. On top of that we have bought yet more 'potential' wonder kid signings and have failed to integrate them.

The club is a shambles right now - we obviously had/have a philosophy of buying young talent and picking out the gems and selling the rest, but for whatever reason the Manager is not on the same page. I still think this is Mou's last season in Chelsea and I'm pretty hopeful that our next Manager will be given time to start integrating some of our young stars.

Everybody wants to pay €100 million for Pogba - the irony is not lost on me - here's a guy who wasn't given a chance at United and has now developed into a top player (debatable for me at that price). We have some excellent youngsters, who if given the chance could easily match Pogba. But sadly they have stalled and regressed during the pathetic loan arrangements and lack of first team options.

[Tomo 21,733]

in a season where our wingers and AMs in general except for willian have been horiible to watch, kenedy still has not got a single PL start as a winger. the only start he got was as an LB.

look at how he has handled RLC. i mean cesc in his early season form and Rambo were continously chosen over him. RLC has not got one start in the pivot playing along with matic , has he?

the amount of young talent at our disposal and the way jose handles it, is absolutely horrendous.

Before this season Ruben has never played in a competitive match where there was something riding on the result (well 30 seconds against City excepted), he's being eased in similar to how Zouma was, if he's still struggling for minutes this time next year ill agree with now, but for now, he's fine.

Kenedy has had some decent minutes and Jose has been quite proactive in his development, we had this discussion before but for me he could make a good left Back in time, put it this way if Pellegrini gave Patrick Roberts the minutes Jose has given this lad, there would be post after post in the Engish football thread raving about how well the Chilean is doing blooding him.

Traore is the one big disappointment, should have got more minutes.

[Tomo 21,733]

This is a bit pointless now

We all know, even the most ardent Mou defenders that we have fucked up with quite a few players over the past few seasons and that no matter what is said, Mou will never take a risk and integrate youth. We have a chequebook manager, it's that simple. If we had Bertrand, KdB, Mata and Lukaku we would have a much stronger team than now. Yes the prices we received for these players was great and helped us in the FFP fight, but the problem is we haven't invested the money wisely. We have wasted it. On top of that we have bought yet more 'potential' wonder kid signings and have failed to integrate them.

The club is a shambles right now - we obviously had/have a philosophy of buying young talent and picking out the gems and selling the rest, but for whatever reason the Manager is not on the same page. I still think this is Mou's last season in Chelsea and I'm pretty hopeful that our next Manager will be given time to start integrating some of our young stars.

Everybody wants to pay 100 million for Pogba - the irony is not lost on me - here's a guy who wasn't given a chance at United and has now developed into a top player (debatable for me at that price). We have some excellent youngsters, who if given the chance could easily match Pogba. But sadly they have stalled and regressed during the pathetic loan arrangements and lack of first team options.

Zouma, Varane, Huth, Santon, Kenedy Sinclair off the top of my head.

Yes his record could be better but let's not pretend he's never played young players.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Zouma, Varane, Huth, Santon, Kenedy Sinclair off the top of my head.

Yes his record could be better but let's not pretend he's never played young players.

It's more than that though - it's the way he gets it in for a player and then they are done here, whilst others play even when absolute shite.

That's the problem with him, he doesn't exploit the squad to its best. Yes, some players are going to be dickheads, that's normal, but if they put in a performance on the pitch, then you have to put up with that. He doesn't - he just ships them out.

Let's also not forget how easy it is for a younger player to say something silly, that they later regret - because they are young - but the die has been cast at that point and they are gone. You need to give the younger players the benefit of doubt, I just don't see that.

I guess we will never agree on this point, I think Jose is awful at integrating youth and promising a young player starts in the press and then not playing them - is just all kinds of awful.

To me the guy is a self important knob - and I hope in the summer we dispense with his services. Let some other club deal with the bullshit.

[Coop 114]

Its a bad miss don't even try to defend that.

No one was even talking about his game or anything, just saying that this was a bad miss.

I think the forum for City fans is called "bluemoon" by the way.

You forgot the moment in second half, he made the wrong move and did not get the ball that way.

Besides, 2 time's player of the month? Only because Silva and aguero are not playing well, so no big deal.

No we did good by selling him.

[zolayes 14,489]

You forgot the moment in second half, he made the wrong move and did not get the ball that way.

Besides, 2 time's player of the month? Only because Silva and aguero are not playing well, so no big deal.

No we did good by selling him.

KDB made 2 great moves ... 1st to Wolfsburg then to City

[djorkaef 10]

I don't see why some people complain about his stats.

In Bundesliga last season he had in 34 games: 10 goals, 20 assists, 6 mom, 74.5% pass completion (and player of the year)

In the Premier League he has in 10 games: 4 goals, 6 assists, 2 mom, 78.2% pass completion

So statistically he is doing better in every main aspect.

Some will say 'yes but now he plays surrounded by top players so these stats are less of an accomplishment'.

Surely the mom are. Strangely enough, when Lukaku has good stats at Everton, it is because he is 'not' playing in a top team.