Kevin de Bruyne

[didierforever 7,349]

Piazon is simply not good enough, i like the bloke, but he can't cut it here.

Schurrle was a good deal, aspiring prospect who showed potential and put it behind against the likes of City and PSG.

At some point he regressed and the club cut their losses at the right time, take a look at his current time in Wolfsburg, he is doing jack shit, sadly.

A lot of people, including myself, had their hopes up by the thought of Juan Cuadrado joining Chelsea.

This dude failed miserably, way too often he got dispossessed, is he able to win one freakin' duel let alone an aerial one?!

I didn't see that one coming, therefore i don't be harsh on the board and Mourinho.

I don't watch the italian league that much, but in the UCL he showed some great piece of skill against Manchester City, i think we can get back most of the money.

Traore wasn't expensive and showed good skill during his loan spell, exciting prospect, nothing wrong by giving him chances to redeem himself.

At the end of the day, i see us in the blank, not in the red, but only the future will tell.

replacing schurrle with piazon is a step ahead. no doubt about it. but after that, everything went down south. from schurrle, a good goal scorer, we are down to traore who wont be starting PL/CL games unless, hazard, pedro, willian, remy all get injured. its a spot which is lost. the money spent here is massive. hence the massive mistake part. you are right with no one guessing how shit cuadrado would have been but thats the point of a manager doing things. schurrle had a poor 4 months. he was a brilliant super-sub was germany in the world cup and then had a tough time most of which was on the bench. we did not cut our losses, we made a bad decision.

Mata played utter dog shit under Jose, he wasn't the same player anymore, for that money, i'll do it all fuckin' day.

Once again, we bought with Salah one hell of a talent, he showed his skill-set in the UCL.

He didn't graduate at Chelsea, but because of his successful loan spells, big buckets will come in.

Pedro is a proven player, the people in charge wanted someone with experience, the house is full of gifted young talents; Traore, Kenedy, Musonda and the list continues.

At the end of the day we are in credit, that's not a bad thing.

Especially when a player like Pedro suits the style of play a lot more than Mata, who is better as a number 10 than as a winger.

mata was poor under jose as a RW. the jose who wanted so much out of his no.10 that he sacrificed one of the most creative players in the world, and then puts in cesc the next season in the team as a CM. poor decision. salah was a poor buy. he was a typical chelsea buy. most of the fans on here were unhappy and i personally never left he had a chance in hell. i am willing to give pedro the time. but, was it worth 37mil pounds to let go off mata and then not being able to break down teams like norwich, aston villa and palace and then losing the league despite doing the double over both pool and city? not for me, not even close. and after selling mata, now we are down to cesc who is literally the only creative player and jose's hands are tied to have to play him every match. MASSIVE MISTAKE.

Bertrand should have played more, but that's not alone Joses fault, for example ask Di Matteo.

Who is responsible for the purchase of Filipe Luis?

Last season, Azpilicueta und Ivanovic played their part and helped to deliver the goods, Luis didn't want to be here anymore, so it was his decision to leave.

Did Jose really wanted to buy Baba?

At the start of the season he had fitness problems, now we have seen problems with his defensive work, yes he is young and nervous, but mistakes happen.

I think he will come good, the jury still is out, no need to make the harsh judgement call today.

RDM started bertrand in the CL final and after that, RDM barely had a chance for much squad rotation. rafa benitez played bertrand quite a lot and he was good every time he played. jose got an ashley cole who was pathetic. so it was jose's call on who to replace him with. a natural LB or a RB. jose chose azpi and in the long run, we have got screwed massively. now we are stuck with a 31 year old RB who is very poor, a RB who is playing as a LB and a 21 year old 21 million pounds LB who jose did not want (apparently).

if every time a player wanted to leave, and the manager sold him, football will become a havoc. look at united. DDG wanted to leave to RM. united kept him. sometimes you have to do things for the better of the team. specially when you have just 6 defenders. how can you go into the season with 5 defenders and BABA who our manager deems not good enough to replace iva in this form.

is luis left, its cos the manager let him. this is on jose.

we let a 25 year old PL established left back go, bought the LB of the season but continued with a RB as a LB and then sold him and replaced him with a 21 year old LB worth 21 million pounds. sorry, a MASSIVE MISTAKE.

The so called "german messi" is better off Chelsea.

The case Kevin De Bruyne could have been handled differently, the discussion is endless, i acknowledge that a mistake has been made, but people have to get over it, he won't come back.

After every goal the discussion will rise again, fun times are ahead of us, lol.

Kenedy has impressed me since his game against Barcelona and his antics against Suarez, he is going to play his part at Chelsea and he still is only 19 years of age.

Getting him is not a massive mistake, even if De Bruyne isn't around here anymore.

I don't mean you didierforever, but if some gfs of yours break up with you, you still moan all the time?!

Not healthy, but not my life!

when you break up with a GF, she does not earn 1million$ a year for your arch enemy, does she? the case is totally different than a break up. you dont have to see your GF giving the best blow job and having the best sex ever with your arch enemy every week. here, we have to. we have to watch kdb scoring goals and assisting like child's play while i dont even remember our last proper attacking goal. both goals against villa were lucky - own goal and guzan mistake, against porto - a freekick, against kiev - no goals, against soton - freekick. hell, when was the last game we scored a proper goal from attacking football? massive massive massive mistake.

Lukaku didn't want the competition and against Bayern Munich he failed with the penalty.

He wasn't up for the job, he is like the spoiled kid who can't wait, he wants it now and that's not happening at Chelsea.

Chelsea got ~30 mio., that money was a good down payment for Diego Costa, for me it has been good business.

The team lacked leaders; Eto'o and Drogba are big personalitys, they dominante the dressing room and give good suggestions to the younger boys.

Yes, Falcao seems like a deterioration, but he is only the number 3 and not so expensive.

Back in the day a german friend of mine preferred Benteke over Falcao, but that guy would have been really expensive.

I can still live with having Falcao around the house for one year.

His goal in the league wasn't that bad imo.

hopes up by the thought of

lukaku did not want the competition after being judged by our manager to be not good enough to be able to lead the line despite having options like ba and torres. he went out to buy a 33 year old etoo. sorry, any self respecting player would have done what lukaku did. if we had bought rooney (like we wanted) and then lukaku left, i would have said, it was not jose's fault, it was lukaku's. buying etoo was a foolish thing to do. if jose can give oscar the time and place over mata as a no.10, i dont know why not lukaku. and whats worse is that even the time lukaku was here, he was not given a start, was he? andre schurrle was preferred as a ST against united at OT instead of lukaku. sorry, jose's mistake.

falcao might not be expensive, but i would rather have an expensive player like benteke who can cover well for costa when he is in the kind of rut he currently is in. yes, we have not spent much on the striker positions considering lukaku and ba sales, but what good has it done to us? would u like the current situation or buying a 30mil benteke/lacazette. i know which one i would like.

Lampard in his prime, yes, but not during his recent years at Chelsea, his consistency wasn't there anymore.

Year after year the midfield got overran.

Cesc is playing badly, but last season he was an integral part to the campaign, "massive mistake" seems a bit harsh to me.

Yes, Rakitic would have been better, we tried to get Modric, but we failed, so i take Cesc, without Cesc it could be worse...

long term wise, cesc is going to be a killer. if the midfield got over-run with lampard, it gets raped with cesc. its not upgrade. its a nothing. we sold mata cos he could not do a defensive job and yet we bought the king of shit defensive CM. someone who cant put in a defensive shift to save his life? with him in the midfield, our mid will be over-run match after match be it against the likes of villa or newcastle. we have next to no chance for CL success (barca could not win a CL with cesc in 3 years and yet the 4 years without him they have won 3 CLs). RVP did a job for united in one year, but i would never classify him as a good buy. he hampered united. he hampered the development of chicha, welbeck and gave them 2 years of mediocrity. whats worse is that with cesc, we actually had better options. poor decision by jose. and even poorer decision to keep on playing him.

Remy has been a massive signing, scoring goals for fun, not moaning because of sitting on the bench and he can play more than one position.

For me, he is a much better fit than Ba.

Chelsea often follows the philosophy sell one and then buy a new one.

Mourinho himself acknowledged, that he would have kept some the players, but that wasn't possible.

I think the business hasn't been that bad, some decisions could have been handled differently, but overall the improvement is clear as daylight, the judgment day is not today or tomorrow,

being 6 points behind a UCL spot is not the end of world, not after 9th matchdays, lol.

remy has been a good signing. as was BA for the money. remy has scored 10 goals and 3 assists in 1289 minutes at 100 minutes/goalandassist, ba had 14 goals and 5 assists in 2268 minutes at 119 minutes/goalandassist. and some of the goals ba has scored (psg, manu*2) have been really important. a lot of remy's goals have been in an already won position. so i honestly dont see a very good buy/replacement in this case.

the improvement is clear cos we had one of the worst squads in 12-13. the club was in a disarray. we had brought in a bunch of players (mata, hazard, oscar, moses, marin, azpi, GC) who were there in the club for 1 or less years. along with that we had talents like kdb on loan. you talk about players like kenedy/traore/musonda, how is their situation different from kdb's. u said salah was a talent, and maybe, he is. how is their situtation different from salah's? jose's policy wont change. and his transfer dealings have been poor. yes, i know hindsight is 20/20 but some of the mistake - kdb, lukaku, mata, bertrand, were so obviously a mistake that it hurts. and our recent results just put salt over those hurts.

[stroey 2,525]

there's no point arguing with mou's whore

Hi TC,

Please take care of this.

[zolayes 14,489]

Hi TC,

Please take care of this.

I think he means Ivanovic

[illmatic 901]

I have to admit that I not was a big fan of him and didn't understand why so many tears for him. Well, i am here to admit my mistake.

Absolutely a TOP player who would have been great to have him in our team. Extremely effective. Goals, assists, great game understanding, personality.

I see him as an european version of my compatriot James Rodriguez. If i could summarize both in one word, would be effectivity. Not useless dribbles nor bullshit, they are direct, as a knife to the rival teams, scoring, assisting, taking simples and good decisions.

[zolayes 14,489]

it takes a big man to admit he was wrong .. you are a big man

[Essien19 1,415]

That's how i like it.

Well written text, you have made some pretty good arguments didierforever, respect.

Sometimes i disagree with you, but that happens.

Maybe i have written too much, but i couldn't let go, sorry man.

Please cut me some slack because of grammar, i'm tired, i'm not a native speaker and as an Bavarian not so much used to writing that long, lol.

replacing schurrle with piazon is a step ahead. no doubt about it. but after that, everything went down south. from schurrle, a good goal scorer, we are down to traore who wont be starting PL/CL games unless, hazard, pedro, willian, remy all get injured. its a spot which is lost. the money spent here is massive. hence the massive mistake part. you are right with no one guessing how shit cuadrado would have been but thats the point of a manager doing things. schurrle had a poor 4 months. he was a brilliant super-sub was germany in the world cup and then had a tough time most of which was on the bench. we did not cut our losses, we made a bad decision.

Schurrle played well in the world cup, i agree with you, but after he came back to Chelsea, if i remember correctly, he caught an illness and never recovered.

Yes, he scored that goal against Manchester City, but i didn't see progress with his overall development.

For me, it was the right call to make. Nowadays he plays piss poor, he isn't a regular starter for Wolfsburg, even for Germany he looks like a fraud.

It's a case for the black box, i am completely speechless.

Juan Cuadrado is not far away from Fernando Torres in the blue shirt, that speaks for itself.

Yes, Mourinho has to take some of the blame, but the whole department failed.

Now we have to play the game "who is the worst"...

Schurrle is a likeable character, he is down to earth and really cared for the club, moreover as you already pointed out, he scored some crucial goals.

But for me, he has regressed big time and isn't able to recover, otherwise Cuadrado plays well in the CL and isn't that bad for Colombia,

therefore i'm still in the Cuadrado corner, for me it was the right decision to part ways with Schurrle. Sad, but that's how it is.

mata was poor under jose as a RW. the jose who wanted so much out of his no.10 that he sacrificed one of the most creative players in the world, and then puts in cesc the next season in the team as a CM. poor decision. salah was a poor buy. he was a typical chelsea buy. most of the fans on here were unhappy and i personally never left he had a chance in hell. i am willing to give pedro the time. but, was it worth 37mil pounds to let go off mata and then not being able to break down teams like norwich, aston villa and palace and then losing the league despite doing the double over both pool and city? not for me, not even close. and after selling mata, now we are down to cesc who is literally the only creative player and jose's hands are tied to have to play him every match. MASSIVE MISTAKE.

Would we have won the league with Mata 2013/2014?

That's a big question to make, it's pure theoretical and speculative.

After Mata left, maybe Mourinho realised that one more creative midfielder wouldn't be a bad idea.

Cesc has more experience, he knows the league inside out, for me he is more mature and for this team the better player.

For me Mata is more of a second striker and Cesc can play deep down, Mata is creative, but again for me he is a similar defensive liability as is Fabregas.

I don't see much of a difference, rather Cesc is a little better, tackling and so on.

Before all of that, we played with the famous "mazacar", however we often couldn't break down the opposition, there is more to the story than a lot of creative players.

Some time ago Schurrle said, that Hazard gets more room, but others have to put the work in, we aren't talking about a perpetual motion machine.

It has to come from somewhere....

Cesc is playing crap, especially when you take a look at his backward movements, on the counter they hit us hard.

But in the last game Mourinho made the big call and substituted him, his place isn't that safe as many think.

His reputation cuts him some slack, but it's crumbling...

Salah is a quick winger, who excels when given holes where he can run into.

He was a young promising prospect who served as a backup during the difficult winter market, i didn't have a problem with that decision.

Now we come to your big question "was it worth it"?

Yes, why?

Because nowadays Chelsea sells one and then buys a new one, whom did we get instead of Mata?

Nemanja Matić.

Our lost son and that's worth it.

RDM started bertrand in the CL final and after that, RDM barely had a chance for much squad rotation. rafa benitez played bertrand quite a lot and he was good every time he played. jose got an ashley cole who was pathetic. so it was jose's call on who to replace him with. a natural LB or a RB. jose chose azpi and in the long run, we have got screwed massively. now we are stuck with a 31 year old RB who is very poor, a RB who is playing as a LB and a 21 year old 21 million pounds LB who jose did not want (apparently).

if every time a player wanted to leave, and the manager sold him, football will become a havoc. look at united. DDG wanted to leave to RM. united kept him. sometimes you have to do things for the better of the team. specially when you have just 6 defenders. how can you go into the season with 5 defenders and BABA who our manager deems not good enough to replace iva in this form.

is luis left, its cos the manager let him. this is on jose.

we let a 25 year old PL established left back go, bought the LB of the season but continued with a RB as a LB and then sold him and replaced him with a 21 year old LB worth 21 million pounds. sorry, a MASSIVE MISTAKE.

Sorry, but RDM could have used Bertrand more, "barely had a chance for much squad rotation" is not good enough, you have to come up with something better or explain it to me, because at this moment i can't understand it.

I think you're right about the time with the "fat spanish waiter", but during that time Bertrand looked limited in his attacking abilitys, at least in my point of view.

Last season the pair of Azpilicueta and Ivanovic worked well, they got the job done.

This season Ivanovic still has a contract, but it's going to expire very soon.

Therefore i wouldn't use the word "stuck", for me that happened with Fernando Torres.

Instead of having a 30 year old Filipe Luis in the house i prefer all day long Baba who is just 21 years of age and can play for a decade.

Mourinho will accustom to that dude, but it takes time.

Did Mourinho sell Luis or was it the board?

If a remember correctly, Mourinho moaned about the decision, furthermore it took a long time to get a new one in.

Mourinho didn't want Cech to join Arsenal, but the board made the call, he isn't that powerful as many think.

when you break up with a GF, she does not earn 1million$ a year for your arch enemy, does she? the case is totally different than a break up. you dont have to see your GF giving the best blow job and having the best sex ever with your arch enemy every week. here, we have to. we have to watch kdb scoring goals and assisting like child's play while i dont even remember our last proper attacking goal. both goals against villa were lucky - own goal and guzan mistake, against porto - a freekick, against kiev - no goals, against soton - freekick. hell, when was the last game we scored a proper goal from attacking football? massive massive massive mistake.

That's how you make it vivid, good job!

Maybe she is still living in the same house as you do and you can hear them every night being freakin' animals, so fucking what?!

Listen to it, pull it out and jerk yourself off, or go out and get a better one.

Man the fuck up, for what have you that thing between your legs, crying is what pussys can do all fucking day, i know one who is currently in north london.

Men has to go back to the roots, often they are more romantic than the missus and that's the end, they get fucked pretty bad,

i know it because a good friend of mine has to eat shit everday, too fucking soft!

I liked the goal from Diego Costa against West Brom, that was some piece of art.

Beautiful executed, that's how i like it!

lukaku did not want the competition after being judged by our manager to be not good enough to be able to lead the line despite having options like ba and torres. he went out to buy a 33 year old etoo. sorry, any self respecting player would have done what lukaku did. if we had bought rooney (like we wanted) and then lukaku left, i would have said, it was not jose's fault, it was lukaku's. buying etoo was a foolish thing to do. if jose can give oscar the time and place over mata as a no.10, i dont know why not lukaku. and whats worse is that even the time lukaku was here, he was not given a start, was he? andre schurrle was preferred as a ST against united at OT instead of lukaku. sorry, jose's mistake.

falcao might not be expensive, but i would rather have an expensive player like benteke who can cover well for costa when he is in the kind of rut he currently is in. yes, we have not spent much on the striker positions considering lukaku and ba sales, but what good has it done to us? would u like the current situation or buying a 30mil benteke/lacazette. i know which one i would like.

Lukaku should have stayed and worked his socks off in training.

Forcing himself on Mourinho, that's what he should have done as a ~20 year old, but no, that's too much,

he doesn't like competition and doesn't respect hierarchy or anything.

I remember him telling the Everton fans that he will leave soon for a bigger club, no respect. This boy got what he deserved!

You must have the right mentality.

During the world cup Lukaku looked piss poor, couldn't handle a football and that's not because he can't play, rather he has problems with coping with the pressure.

Eto'o scored some crucial goals for us, i thanked Mourinho a lot for having him at Chelsea, sadly he had problems with his fitness.

Mourinho doesn't rotate his strikers, Costa is his main man and plays most of the time.

Therefore i didn't want to splash out the cash for Benteke, but Stones should have been a done deal.

long term wise, cesc is going to be a killer. if the midfield got over-run with lampard, it gets raped with cesc. its not upgrade. its a nothing. we sold mata cos he could not do a defensive job and yet we bought the king of shit defensive CM. someone who cant put in a defensive shift to save his life? with him in the midfield, our mid will be over-run match after match be it against the likes of villa or newcastle. we have next to no chance for CL success (barca could not win a CL with cesc in 3 years and yet the 4 years without him they have won 3 CLs). RVP did a job for united in one year, but i would never classify him as a good buy. he hampered united. he hampered the development of chicha, welbeck and gave them 2 years of mediocrity. whats worse is that with cesc, we actually had better options. poor decision by jose. and even poorer decision to keep on playing him.

We can't continue like this, otherwise we are going to win absolutely nothing this season, spot on!

For me Cesc is better than todays Lampard, Frankie doesn't have the legs anymore, he is done.

We have to take good care of Cesc, he can't do it alone, a similar set-up as Juve did with Pirlo has to happen.

But the other guys aren't up for the task, shit has gone bananas for quite some time, sad times.

Chicha and Welbeck are mediocre players, you have to put yourself out there and challenge with the best, that's the best way to improve, i think.

Van Persie was too good, he made them Champions, for me that was a Ferguson masterclass, one player changed the league , stunning!

In Football it's about winning now, otherwise your best guys will leave, take a look Arsenal and their well-know exodus in recent years....

As i said before, Fabregas isn't untouchable, he got subbed off, Jose is turning on him, wait and watch.

remy has been a good signing. as was BA for the money. remy has scored 10 goals and 3 assists in 1289 minutes at 100 minutes/goalandassist, ba had 14 goals and 5 assists in 2268 minutes at 119 minutes/goalandassist. and some of the goals ba has scored (psg, manu*2) have been really important. a lot of remy's goals have been in an already won position. so i honestly dont see a very good buy/replacement in this case.

Stats are mean, you are spot on.

But Remy can play in different positions, he is way more flexible, he offers more to our game than Ba did.

Okay, Ba seems to have scored more decisive goals, i give you that.

Ba left and now Remy is doing the job, i think he is up for it and that's what a good buy and replacement should do.

I'm happy, i hope he can continue like this.

the improvement is clear cos we had one of the worst squads in 12-13. the club was in a disarray. we had brought in a bunch of players (mata, hazard, oscar, moses, marin, azpi, GC) who were there in the club for 1 or less years. along with that we had talents like kdb on loan. you talk about players like kenedy/traore/musonda, how is their situation different from kdb's. u said salah was a talent, and maybe, he is. how is their situtation different from salah's? jose's policy wont change. and his transfer dealings have been poor. yes, i know hindsight is 20/20 but some of the mistake - kdb, lukaku, mata, bertrand, were so obviously a mistake that it hurts. and our recent results just put salt over those hurts.

I can tell you how their situation is different, Kenedy came as a nobody, however sometimes he got playing time instead of Willian or another dude.

Loftus-Cheek is new to the professional game, still 19 years old, but he gets playing time.

Is Guardiola giving more playing time to newbies, or Wenger, Van Gaal, Benitez?

I don't think so!

Zouma, Loftus-Cheek, Kenedy, maybe Traore in the future, there are a lot of guys who Mourinho clearly rates.

Guys like Bamford, Solanke (earned playing time in the UCL), Colkett, Musonda, Aina and so on can maybe make the grade.

So i think that the future is looking bright.

Yes, Chelsea changed their squad a lot during that spell i give you that, but the years before that the performances often had been piss poor and no other manager played that great stuff as Jose Mourinho did in 2014.

Yes, Jose Mourinho makes mistakes, that's human, but i don't cry about every decision i disagree with, positive thinking, that's what makes life great and beautiful.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

The Wolfsburg manager NEVER said that about De Bruyne.

There is a reason you can't find it anymore...

It's common knowledge actually, Hecking was on a german show "Doppelpass" he talked about him extensively.

Can't find it on the internet though. At least not in english form.

[iseah100 5,612]

I still don't like this ginger. Never will.

[Tomo 21,733]

replacing schurrle with piazon is a step ahead. no doubt about it. but after that, everything went down south. from schurrle, a good goal scorer, we are down to traore who wont be starting PL/CL games unless, hazard, pedro, willian, remy all get injured. its a spot which is lost. the money spent here is massive. hence the massive mistake part. you are right with no one guessing how shit cuadrado would have been but thats the point of a manager doing things. schurrle had a poor 4 months. he was a brilliant super-sub was germany in the world cup and then had a tough time most of which was on the bench. we did not cut our losses, we made a bad decision.

mata was poor under jose as a RW. the jose who wanted so much out of his no.10 that he sacrificed one of the most creative players in the world, and then puts in cesc the next season in the team as a CM. poor decision. salah was a poor buy. he was a typical chelsea buy. most of the fans on here were unhappy and i personally never left he had a chance in hell. i am willing to give pedro the time. but, was it worth 37mil pounds to let go off mata and then not being able to break down teams like norwich, aston villa and palace and then losing the league despite doing the double over both pool and city? not for me, not even close. and after selling mata, now we are down to cesc who is literally the only creative player and jose's hands are tied to have to play him every match. MASSIVE MISTAKE.

RDM started bertrand in the CL final and after that, RDM barely had a chance for much squad rotation. rafa benitez played bertrand quite a lot and he was good every time he played. jose got an ashley cole who was pathetic. so it was jose's call on who to replace him with. a natural LB or a RB. jose chose azpi and in the long run, we have got screwed massively. now we are stuck with a 31 year old RB who is very poor, a RB who is playing as a LB and a 21 year old 21 million pounds LB who jose did not want (apparently).

if every time a player wanted to leave, and the manager sold him, football will become a havoc. look at united. DDG wanted to leave to RM. united kept him. sometimes you have to do things for the better of the team. specially when you have just 6 defenders. how can you go into the season with 5 defenders and BABA who our manager deems not good enough to replace iva in this form.

is luis left, its cos the manager let him. this is on jose.

we let a 25 year old PL established left back go, bought the LB of the season but continued with a RB as a LB and then sold him and replaced him with a 21 year old LB worth 21 million pounds. sorry, a MASSIVE MISTAKE.

when you break up with a GF, she does not earn 1million$ a year for your arch enemy, does she? the case is totally different than a break up. you dont have to see your GF giving the best blow job and having the best sex ever with your arch enemy every week. here, we have to. we have to watch kdb scoring goals and assisting like child's play while i dont even remember our last proper attacking goal. both goals against villa were lucky - own goal and guzan mistake, against porto - a freekick, against kiev - no goals, against soton - freekick. hell, when was the last game we scored a proper goal from attacking football? massive massive massive mistake.

lukaku did not want the competition after being judged by our manager to be not good enough to be able to lead the line despite having options like ba and torres. he went out to buy a 33 year old etoo. sorry, any self respecting player would have done what lukaku did. if we had bought rooney (like we wanted) and then lukaku left, i would have said, it was not jose's fault, it was lukaku's. buying etoo was a foolish thing to do. if jose can give oscar the time and place over mata as a no.10, i dont know why not lukaku. and whats worse is that even the time lukaku was here, he was not given a start, was he? andre schurrle was preferred as a ST against united at OT instead of lukaku. sorry, jose's mistake.

falcao might not be expensive, but i would rather have an expensive player like benteke who can cover well for costa when he is in the kind of rut he currently is in. yes, we have not spent much on the striker positions considering lukaku and ba sales, but what good has it done to us? would u like the current situation or buying a 30mil benteke/lacazette. i know which one i would like.

long term wise, cesc is going to be a killer. if the midfield got over-run with lampard, it gets raped with cesc. its not upgrade. its a nothing. we sold mata cos he could not do a defensive job and yet we bought the king of shit defensive CM. someone who cant put in a defensive shift to save his life? with him in the midfield, our mid will be over-run match after match be it against the likes of villa or newcastle. we have next to no chance for CL success (barca could not win a CL with cesc in 3 years and yet the 4 years without him they have won 3 CLs). RVP did a job for united in one year, but i would never classify him as a good buy. he hampered united. he hampered the development of chicha, welbeck and gave them 2 years of mediocrity. whats worse is that with cesc, we actually had better options. poor decision by jose. and even poorer decision to keep on playing him.

remy has been a good signing. as was BA for the money. remy has scored 10 goals and 3 assists in 1289 minutes at 100 minutes/goalandassist, ba had 14 goals and 5 assists in 2268 minutes at 119 minutes/goalandassist. and some of the goals ba has scored (psg, manu*2) have been really important. a lot of remy's goals have been in an already won position. so i honestly dont see a very good buy/replacement in this case.

the improvement is clear cos we had one of the worst squads in 12-13. the club was in a disarray. we had brought in a bunch of players (mata, hazard, oscar, moses, marin, azpi, GC) who were there in the club for 1 or less years. along with that we had talents like kdb on loan. you talk about players like kenedy/traore/musonda, how is their situation different from kdb's. u said salah was a talent, and maybe, he is. how is their situtation different from salah's? jose's policy wont change. and his transfer dealings have been poor. yes, i know hindsight is 20/20 but some of the mistake - kdb, lukaku, mata, bertrand, were so obviously a mistake that it hurts. and our recent results just put salt over those hurts.

Eto'o was such an underrated signing, as demonstrated by the fact he went to Everton a year later and outperformed Lukaku while he was there.

Are we going to have all this every time an ex player hits form coinciding with us not? I concede now that KDB was a mistake but this is the first time Mata has been on anywhere near top form for nearly three years, you (rightly) criticise Cesc a lot but Mata this time last yeAr and his last six months here makes current Cesc look like prime Xavi.

An off form Mata (which occurred more often than general opinion suggested) was absolutely woeful, his bad games are worse than a bad day Cesc, who you rip into. I felt his nice guy personality saved him a lot of critics.

In May there was none of these pining for past players, only really KDB to an extent because of how well he did, but there wasn't the constant missing Lukaku, Mata (at least not on the pitch).

Way I see It is we made an error with De Bruyne like Barca did with Thiago and United did with Pogba, its life, it happens, all the others like Lukaku, Mata etc I see as players that have gone onto do well but didn't fit in here for whatever reason, ultimately similar to Barca selling Yaya, Sanchez and Ibra, and those three are better than Lukaku and Mata ever will be.

[Tomo 21,733]

Hazard is loved by everyone here. Even now there are people full of support on him during quite a difficult spell for him. Last season, majority of the forum I can say were in awe of Hazard and we made clear who we thought should be the POTY. Hazard and Courtois are very much appreciated over here. But right now he is not at the top of the game and KDB had made an instant impact so it is no surprise people are giving KDB credit.

I'm not saying Hazard is hated but he has his critics, the only person that consistently criticises KDB here is Pacquio and its like he's up against Kevin's legal defence team.

And with Tibo, many times last season he was underestimated, some people were waiting for any little mistake to shout loudly for Cechs return, whereas if we let him go like KDB, even the most minor save will cause a 20 page spread on how we "fuked up".

[didierforever 7,349]

Eto'o was such an underrated signing, as demonstrated by the fact he went to Everton a year later and outperformed Lukaku while he was there.

Are we going to have all this every time an ex player hits form coinciding with us not? I concede now that KDB was a mistake but this is the first time Mata has been on anywhere near top form for nearly three years, you (rightly) criticise Cesc a lot but Mata this time last yeAr and his last six months here makes current Cesc look like prime Xavi.

An off form Mata (which occurred more often than general opinion suggested) was absolutely woeful, his bad games are worse than a bad day Cesc, who you rip into. I felt his nice guy personality saved him a lot of critics.

In May there was none of these pining for past players, only really KDB to an extent because of how well he did, but there wasn't the constant missing Lukaku, Mata (at least not on the pitch).

Way I see It is we made an error with De Bruyne like Barca did with Thiago and United did with Pogba, its life, it happens, all the others like Lukaku, Mata etc I see as players that have gone onto do well but didn't fit in here for whatever reason, ultimately similar to Barca selling Yaya, Sanchez and Ibra, and those three are better than Lukaku and Mata ever will be.

First of all lets clarify the barca analogy.

Barca replaced yaya with busquets who is the best DM in the world.

Barca replaced ibra cos he was a nuisance and cos they had messi.

Barca replaced sanchez with suarez.

Each of those replacements was an upgrade. Unlike our scenario.

The lukaku and mata pining is nothing new. Mata as a CAM is better than oscar. People were pining for that to happen even when mata was here and when mata was sold. There was always a question mark about oscar's creativity but most of us made peace with it cos we realised jose needed something different from his no.10. Fair enough. And then jose puts in cesc as a CM. Who defensively is the mata of CMs. So ofcours the analogies and comparisons are going to come to fore.

Also, as for lukaku, TC was perfevtly divided on his sale. He was 21, he needed time. Time to settle in. Yes etoo performed better than him for 3 months but there is a reason why lukaku is leading everton right now. The way we handled lukaku was atrcious. He could have been our future. He probably should have been our future.

I remember jose saying in the middle of his first season that we won't win the league and we had a lot of young eggs or that we were a baby horse etc etc. If he knew that, there was absolutely no need for a stop gap like etoo. Someone like lukaku should have been given the time to settle in chelsea. We should not have started schurrle at OT and we should not have bought in a well o ast his prime etoo. Etoo performed well, not saying otherwise, but in the long run, the signing of etoo was more harmful than useful.

[Lapo Blues 21]

KDB's work rate was seen low at that time by Mou.

So we can not blame Mou.

At the time KDB was exiled he learnt the bitter truth of life, but I think he took the lesson very well and shown his true talent.

Life goes on guys, let's move forward like that Toyota ads.

Peace.

[Tomo 21,733]

First of all lets clarify the barca analogy.

Barca replaced yaya with busquets who is the best DM in the world.

Barca replaced ibra cos he was a nuisance and cos they had messi.

Barca replaced sanchez with suarez.

Each of those replacements was an upgrade. Unlike our scenario.

The lukaku and mata pining is nothing new. Mata as a CAM is better than oscar. People were pining for that to happen even when mata was here and when mata was sold. There was always a question mark about oscar's creativity but most of us made peace with it cos we realised jose needed something different from his no.10. Fair enough. And then jose puts in cesc as a CM. Who defensively is the mata of CMs. So ofcours the analogies and comparisons are going to come to fore.

Also, as for lukaku, TC was perfevtly divided on his sale. He was 21, he needed time. Time to settle in. Yes etoo performed better than him for 3 months but there is a reason why lukaku is leading everton right now. The way we handled lukaku was atrcious. He could have been our future. He probably should have been our future.

I remember jose saying in the middle of his first season that we won't win the league and we had a lot of young eggs or that we were a baby horse etc etc. If he knew that, there was absolutely no need for a stop gap like etoo. Someone like lukaku should have been given the time to settle in chelsea. We should not have started schurrle at OT and we should not have bought in a well o ast his prime etoo. Etoo performed well, not saying otherwise, but in the long run, the signing of etoo was more harmful than useful.

I think the signing of Eto'o was nessesery when it became clear we weren't signing a top class striker, I actually made a point that summer of how worried I was about how young the AMs and strikers were, it was too "spiceboyish" for my liking, Eto'o brought in some maturity and expierence and Eden has came out himself and said how much that helped him, how much Samuel helped him raise his game. Whether at theexpense of Lukaku is a completely different argument, but looking at it in isolation, the Eto'o signing was a complete masterstroke, it was no coincidence our best displays that season was when he was on it. Its easy to say well throw the younguns together because were not winning this season, but at the Same time, young players can grow more with expierence around them than they ever could playing with fellow young players, Eden got more out of playing with Eto'o than he would have Lukaku, that I am sure.

With Mata, we all built an emotional connection with him first two season's, his personality and the fact at times in the first year he was the only stand out in a stagnant, stale side helped that, but in brutal reality, he was never going to stay in the team when we started challenging again, I always felt that and wanted to be wrong, because like everyone else I took to him as a person, but it was inevitable, Mata is too big a weakness off the ball (a lot more than even Cesc is) and is ridiculously weak and unathletic for a pro, his size isn't an excuse either, Pedro is a similar build, in fact last season at one point United fans were critical of his end product (which is ironic considering that was the main argument in Juan's favour in the Mata vs Oscar debate) and his assist record last season was very low.

And we did in a way upgrade De Bruyne aside, Lukaku was sold the same summer Costa came in and Mata was sacrafised to give Hazard further freedom, but Sanchez could have been a handy squad depth for Barca, same way some argue Lukaku could have been for us.

[Special Juan 27,457]

I'm delighted to see the lad doing well in all honesty. He's been great to watch for City, and our loss is another teams gain and already he is proving a very good buy for City. Really looking forward to see him perform in the derby this weekend.

[didierforever 7,349]

I think the signing of Eto'o was nessesery when it became clear we weren't signing a top class striker, I actually made a point that summer of how worried I was about how young the AMs and strikers were, it was too "spiceboyish" for my liking, Eto'o brought in some maturity and expierence and Eden has came out himself and said how much that helped him, how much Samuel helped him raise his game. Whether at theexpense of Lukaku is a completely different argument, but looking at it in isolation, the Eto'o signing was a complete masterstroke, it was no coincidence our best displays that season was when he was on it. Its easy to say well throw the younguns together because were not winning this season, but at the Same time, young players can grow more with expierence around them than they ever could playing with fellow young players, Eden got more out of playing with Eto'o than he would have Lukaku, that I am sure.

With Mata, we all built an emotional connection with him first two season's, his personality and the fact at times in the first year he was the only stand out in a stagnant, stale side helped that, but in brutal reality, he was never going to stay in the team when we started challenging again, I always felt that and wanted to be wrong, because like everyone else I took to him as a person, but it was inevitable, Mata is too big a weakness off the ball (a lot more than even Cesc is) and is ridiculously weak and unathletic for a pro, his size isn't an excuse either, Pedro is a similar build, in fact last season at one point United fans were critical of his end product (which is ironic considering that was the main argument in Juan's favour in the Mata vs Oscar debate) and his assist record last season was very low.

And we did in a way upgrade De Bruyne aside, Lukaku was sold the same summer Costa came in and Mata was sacrafised to give Hazard further freedom, but Sanchez could have been a handy squad depth for Barca, same way some argue Lukaku could have been for us.

but thats the point, TOMO. you cant look at a 1 year old stop gap signing in isolation specially when that signing has cost us a very good young player for about 10 years. i remember etoo being quite poor in his first 2 months. physically he was not up for PL, but then his link up play was a joy to watch. u r spot on about him and hazard. but why could not lukaku be given that time. the expectations were low, jose himself clarified that we are looking for top 4 then top 3 then maybe if all the stars align, we can win the league. also, i remember hazard and mata linking up as good as etoo and hazard, that was another case of good player chemistry being ruined.

as for mata, it is more acceptable for a no.10 to be a defensive liability than for a CM to be a defensive liabilty. suppose mata was still our no.10, flanked by hazard and willian, this whole circus of salah, cuadrado, this and that, would not have happened. we definitely would not have bought cesc. someone better defensively, more athletic like rakitic or maybe schneiderlein or kondogbia. you can understand the fact that a team is playing 2 defensive midfielders to cover for mata and hazard's defensive liability. what i cant understand is playing cesc in the world of the park and expecting our no.10 to do the dirty work all day long. yes, mata had an average season, but there is no denying that mata as a CAM (he played most of the season as a RW and united played with rvp and/or falcao as their strikers), was always a joy to watch. was always a threat. another point is that mata in his 2 and a half years never played with a good DM, did he? he did not play a match with matic. he never had someone like costa to feed to. i honestly feel,

costa

hazard-mata-willian

matic-schneiderlein/kondogbia

would have been far better in attack as well as more balanced in defence than our current set up.

lukaku did not need to be replaced. our striker options were so few that we needed to add on, not to replace someone. especially not a 20/21 year old kid who had scored 15+ goals in 2 seasons. sanchez is a world class player. sanchez sitting on the bench is criminal. i can completely understand him wanting to leave. he could literally start for any team except for the big 3 (barca - MSN, RM - BBC, bayern - lewa,robbery, muller). so i dont think that example fits here.

[Spike 12,049]

I still don't like this ginger. Never will.

He isn't ginger ya daft bastard.

[Stats 7,060]

He isn't ginger ya daft bastard.

Strawberry blonde.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Mata v De Bruyne on Sunday the battle of the Chelsea rejects

I hope De Bruyne has flashbacks of his last visit to Old Trafford and doesnt perform and City lose or draw, so we can hopefully shorten the gap.