🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[super_frank8 186]

I don't have an anti-Lampard attitude. I was there at his first game, I'll be there at his last game and I've been to hundreds in between. But I'm a Chelsea fan first and foremost and the club's interests will always be more important to me.

I've had shit from people on this forum telling me what proper Chelsea fans should think and calling into question my own support. I've had scum like you calling me a paedo and it's quite frankly ridiculous. If I thought people like you represented Chelsea fans in any way, shape or form I would probably chuck it in tomorrow but you don't.

Lampard is one of the greatest midfielders in the Premier League, he's responsible for some truly happy times in my life, he has some fantastic statistics and he's a true gentleman to cap it off. He was even one of the best midfielders in the world for a couple of seasons. But Zidane is in my view the greatest player to have ever played the game - he's certainly the greatest player I've ever seen and I've been lucky to have seen the likes of Ronaldinho, Iniesta, Messi, Rivaldo and even the Weah bear.

I'm with Makelele on this issue - there is no doubt over who the greatest player of the last 20 years is.

That doesn't mean I don't love Lampard, as I'm sure you'll tell me in a long-winded post (you need to learn the power of brevity), but it just shows that I'm capable of being objective.

LOL

Can't believe you're still raging on about your poor pedo feelings being hurt.

& 'scum'? Fuck man, that one really stung...

Look, if you don't rate Lampard among the names that you have just mentioned, then I don't know how much more obvious it could be. In fact I would have to assume that you don't include Gerrard in that column either in that case, which is equally as ridiculous.

It is clear that you regard flair & skills & flicks & tricks above all else - which explains why you don't appreciate Lamps the way that myself & many others do.

It is the same reason he is so underrated by much of the football world who will always choose the guy who can take on 3 players at a time & score a handful of wonder goals, rather than the one that can land a 60 yard pass on his teammate's foot 9 times out 10 & provides a more lethal goal threat than all of the players in front of him. The same reason he didn't win FIFA World Player of the Year & the Ballon D'or in 2005 when there was no other coherent decision that could have been made other than awarding him the accolade that he more than deserved.

It's nothing but prejudice, all driven by this old-school elitist attitude & it's inherently snobbish condescending ignorance - going by traditional values rather than the ones that actually count when you want to win games.

There's no point arguing about who's the better player in our own opinions, because I believe that is entirely subjective - but to say that Zidane is objectively a significantly better player than Lampard? Well that's simply not objective whatsoever.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

You make a fair point, but I personally don't think losing Frank will have a massive impact on next season. Now that's dependant on us getting the right manager in, and he may think differently (the new guy might want Frank), but if we're looking at signing someone like Modric to play in that DLP role then I think we'll be pushing for the title.

Personally I would have loved us to get Dembele in the summer and it's annoying that he's gone to Spurs.

It will be a big loss in my opinion. He is still better than any cm we have, his spirit is immense. And I don't think he will complain being on the bench and coming in when we need him.

He is like a leader to the players and he will be perfect in helping the young players with our culture and winning mentality.

We need a DLP and I am 100% in support of that, but with lampards presence it will do us more favours than harm.

The problem is that no club will pay 140k for a 34yr old player, especially with FFP and telling lamps to reduce it to 100k or less would be a massive loss to lamps.(Lamps might think about it, but His agent won't allow that) so the board is willing to let him go but I'm afraid it might backfire like it happened to acmilan in pirlo's case.

[super_frank8 186]

Zidane made the other players play better, the team played better with him.

Man I hate the statistics.

Oh really?

Well I apologise in that case, because here's a few more for you:

& that is just this season...not including the last few wins...when he is apparently past it according to yourself & others.

Maybe you don't realise because you are as naive as the paedophile, but Lamps doesn't just make the players around him play better, he makes them score goals & win games when he's in the team. You may hate statistics, but they are merely to keep record of events - if you actually need visual proof due to some kind of conspiracy theory, then as I mentioned previously, you'll be able to find plenty of evidence on youtube or any Chelsea season review DVD from the last 10 years.

[The only place to be 11,313]

LOL

Can't believe you're still raging on about your poor pedo feelings being hurt.

& 'scum'? Fuck man, that one really stung...

Look, if you don't rate Lampard among the names that you have just mentioned, then I don't know how much more obvious it could be. In fact I would have to assume that you don't include Gerrard in that column either in that case, which is equally as ridiculous.

It is clear that you regard flair & skills & flicks & tricks above all else - which explains why you don't appreciate Lamps the way that myself & many others do. It is the same reason he is so underrated by much of the football world who will always choose the guy who can take on 3 players at a time & score a handful of wonder goals, rather than the one that can land a 60 yard pass on his teammate's foot 9 times out 10 & provides a more lethal goal threat than all of the players in front of him. The same reason he didn't win FIFA World Player of the Year & the Ballon D'or when there was no other coherent decision that could have been made other than awarding him the accolade he deserved.

It's nothing but prejudice, all driven by this old-school elitist attitude & it's inherently snobbish condescending ignorance - going by traditional values rather than the ones that actually count when you want to win games.

There's no point arguing about who's the better player in our own opinions, because I believe that is entirely subjective - but to say that Zidane is objectively a significantly better player than Lampard? Well that's simply not objective whatsoever.

You're talking utter bollocks again. Flair and tricks are great, but they're by no means the be all and end all of how I judge a footballer, and they certainly weren't what defined Zidane's game in my view. If you're reducing him to a glorified futsal player or even a high-class Denilson then you're way off the mark in your assessment of his game. He was just the most beautifully composed footballer I've ever seen, able to move the ball around with such grace and efficiency that he didn't need to jink past 3 players - but he could if he had to.

It's got nothing to do with old-school attitudes or any other bull-shit term you'd like to throw in there (I'm in my twenties - old-school for me barely reaches beyond the start of Ryan Giggs career). People seem to want to paint me as a Lampard-hater (and I use a term only twats use intentionally) because I'm not getting too hung up on him leaving. I'll be sad to see him go, because almost every time I've gone to a match in the last decade he's been there. He's part of the furniture, but we're redecorating. In fact we're not just redecorating, we're having the foundations re-done.

Now would I like him to be part of the squad next year - selfishly, yes. But do I think that's best for the team going forward when we'll probably have a new manager in trying to build something new? I've got to be honest and say probably not. The one thing we can all agree on is that Lampard is a massive presence and that is both a good thing (countless numbers of examples over the years) but occasionally it's something that can hold you back. People want to talk about Giggs and Scholes but they ignore the fact that Fergie has been a constant there and they haven't really changed the way they play football in 20 years. We are and I think there are players out there better suited to the position.

As for my feelings being hurt, that's not the case. I just think what you did was scumbag behaviour and I'd hate for someone to view this forum and this you represent in any way what the average Chelsea supporter is like. I've been going for 20 years and you aren't what I recognise from my time supporting the club. If you think you are then you haven't got the first fucking clue about the greatest football club in the world.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Lampard snubs £20m offer to join Drogba and Anelka in China

Guizhou Renhe were ready to offer the England midfielder a £250,000-a-week, two-year deal starting in March.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2262638/Chelsea-ace-Frank-Lampard-snubs-20m-offer-Chinese-club-Guizhou-Renhe.html

[Spike 12,049]

WHY DO I KEEP COMING TO THIS TOPIC? WHY DO I NEVER LEARN? MAYBE I NEED SCARLETT JOHANSSON TO TIE ME UP AND TEACH ME THE ERROR OF MY WAYS.

[TrippingStep 336]

WHY DO I KEEP COMING TO THIS TOPIC? WHY DO I NEVER LEARN? MAYBE I NEED SCARLETT JOHANSSON TO TIE ME UP AND TEACH ME THE ERROR OF MY WAYS.

To make things worse, I would gladly be in the same room when you are tied up by Scarlett Johansson.

You would not forget what you would see

[kellzfresh 7,229]

JT's contract is up next year and he's becoming increasingly injury-prone. I think it's likely that the club parts company with a player who has a shit ton of baggage.

But if we are talking about Terry, it is perhaps fair to note how the club stood by him when it might have been easier not to. It's been mentioned that the club doesn't respect it's legends and treats them unfairly, but Bruce Buck not only supported JT every day during his trial but also defended the decision to reinstate him as captain (alongside Gourlay) when it might have been easier to sell him down the river.

JT is legend, from our academy and is breathing chelsea and bleeding blue.

JT is the casillas of chelsea, in no way is JT going when he is still a very capable defender.

Are u really okay with JT leaving??

This is just like a movie to me

[The only place to be 11,313]

JT is legend, from our academy and is breathing chelsea and bleeding blue.

JT is the casillas of chelsea, in no way is JT going when he is still a very capable defender.

Are u really okay with JT leaving??

This is just like a movie to me

It's 18 months down the line and he's only just come back from injury. Let's see how things go but if he plays like the old JT then I can see us offering him an extension, although let's not pretend there aren't a number of factors that might end up seeing us not.

To me though, he's Mr Chelsea.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

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[super_frank8 186]

You're talking utter bollocks again. Flair and tricks are great, but they're by no means the be all and end all of how I judge a footballer, and they certainly weren't what defined Zidane's game in my view. If you're reducing him to a glorified futsal player or even a high-class Denilson then you're way off the mark in your assessment of his game. He was just the most beautifully composed footballer I've ever seen, able to move the ball around with such grace and efficiency that he didn't need to jink past 3 players - but he could if he had to.

It's got nothing to do with old-school attitudes or any other bull-shit term you'd like to throw in there (I'm in my twenties - old-school for me barely reaches beyond the start of Ryan Giggs career). People seem to want to paint me as a Lampard-hater (and I use a term only twats use intentionally) because I'm not getting too hung up on him leaving. I'll be sad to see him go, because almost every time I've gone to a match in the last decade he's been there. He's part of the furniture, but we're redecorating. In fact we're not just redecorating, we're having the foundations re-done.

Now would I like him to be part of the squad next year - selfishly, yes. But do I think that's best for the team going forward when we'll probably have a new manager in trying to build something new? I've got to be honest and say probably not. The one thing we can all agree on is that Lampard is a massive presence and that is both a good thing (countless numbers of examples over the years) but occasionally it's something that can hold you back. People want to talk about Giggs and Scholes but they ignore the fact that Fergie has been a constant there and they haven't really changed the way they play football in 20 years. We are and I think there are players out there better suited to the position.

As for my feelings being hurt, that's not the case. I just think what you did was scumbag behaviour and I'd hate for someone to view this forum and this you represent in any way what the average Chelsea supporter is like. I've been going for 20 years and you aren't what I recognise from my time supporting the club. If you think you are then you haven't got the first fucking clue about the greatest football club in the world.

I never said that was what defined Zidane's game either, that is just you shoving words down my throat. Maybe if you'd bothered to read my previous post in full then you would have realised my full appreciation for Zidane's talent & ability. He's easily the most technically gifted & fluid footballer I have ever seen, & that does him absolutely no justice whatsoever.

But neither does the way you speak about Frank, as if he is just some run-of-the-mill English midfielder that pales in comparison to the international class & stature of the legendary Zizou - when that couldn't be further from the truth.

You seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying as usual, which is probably intentional as I have learnt. I'm not saying that Zidane isn't the most talented player to have ever walked the earth, I think someone like Messi has nothing on him in all reality - when it comes down to how impressive players are, no one possesses the same refined poise & composure as Zinedine Zidane did.

But as impressive as he was, Lampard has undoubtedly won far more games due to his performances, assists & goals; & that is what matters in football.

Call it a difference of opinion/footballing values/whatever you want to call it - but I would honestly take a player that is capable of this over Zidane without a doubt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LCqNciODk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8NI69nlUw8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mmYEi2jre4

That last bit gave me a nice little chuckle though. I mean, how entirely up your arse does your head have to be before you realise how much of an conceited condescending mug you actually are? Just because you've been going to games for 20 years doesn't make you the all-seeing all-knowing super-fan that you feel the need to convince & remind everyone of every other post.

I don't know about clues, since you apparently have some kind of covert ops inside intel at the Bridge if I'm not mistaken - but I do know that I have considerably more of a heart than you do when it comes to this club the players that you claim to 'love'.

[Henrique 9,133]

WHY DO I KEEP COMING TO THIS TOPIC? WHY DO I NEVER LEARN? MAYBE I NEED SCARLETT JOHANSSON TO TIE ME UP AND TEACH ME THE ERROR OF MY WAYS.

Why are you even writing this stuff, then? If you are good enough for this topic, just stay away.

[The only place to be 11,313]

That last bit gave me a nice little chuckle though. I mean, how entirely up your arse does your head have to be before you realise how much of an conceited condescending mug you actually are? Just because you've been going to games for 20 years doesn't make you the all-seeing all-knowing super-fan that you feel the need to convince & remind everyone of every other post.

I don't know about clues, since you apparently have some kind of covert ops inside intel at the Bridge if I'm not mistaken - but I do know that I have considerably more of a heart than you do when it comes to this club the players that you claim to 'love'.

I'm happy to agree to disagree over Lamps. I actually think we both view him as one of the greatest Chelsea players of all time and I'm sure we'll shed a tear when he goes like all Chelsea fans will.

But I've never known Chelsea supporters to call fellow Chelsea supporters paedophiles because they disagree with them about a player. I don't think I'm some 'super-fan' and I've only defended myself when certain posters on here have called into question my support, simply because I have an opinion that doesn't match their's. But I've known enough Chelsea supporters in my time to know that you don't resemble one of them in the slightest if that's how you conduct yourself.

[Henrique 9,133]

but could Zidane make it on cold thursday night in Stoke?

Who cares about a cold night in Stoke? So, Peter Crouch is the best striker in then world.

[Rmpr 8,977]

@super_frank8, I honestly think you are looking at it (Lampard vs Zidane) from a different perspective....

I do not want to make this another 1 week long discussion, so I will be brief.

The fact Lampard puts up a fight with Zidane says enough about him already, it is not a bad thing that he is compared with the very top midfielder of all time and still loses it (to most people), it is actually a very positive thing. 99% of all footballers would automatically lose any discussion over those players, it only shows how great Super Frank is.

You have great points (that made me actually think about my opinion), but so does everyone who believes Zidane has the advantage. It is just like comparing Messi to Maradona, they are both really great but people have their personal opnion and taste. There is no wrong answer!

About the stupid argument some are making, I would choose Zidane and Lampard to my team. They dont play in the same position and they could have very well worked together. Lampard had his moments and so did Zidane, no need to choose only one of them.

I am entitled to my opinion and so are you...

[raylucker 0]

Why make this complicated? Just force abram to keep Lampard in the team or get die.

fvck, I hate this problem

[Manuf 1,448]

Who cares about a cold night in Stoke? So, Peter Crouch is the best striker in then world.

who cares about you not being able to spot an irony and fucking to anybody who has different opinion than you, Mr. I-know-football-cos-i'm-brazillian

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

OK easy boys

Who cares about a cold night in Stoke? So, Peter Crouch is the best striker in then world.

Henrique this is a rhetorical question that has slipped into English football folklore since it was uttered by a pundit years ago. Manuf did not mean it literally

[super_frank8 186]

I'm happy to agree to disagree over Lamps. I actually think we both view him as one of the greatest Chelsea players of all time and I'm sure we'll shed a tear when he goes like all Chelsea fans will.

But I've never known Chelsea supporters to call fellow Chelsea supporters paedophiles because they disagree with them about a player. I don't think I'm some 'super-fan' and I've only defended myself when certain posters on here have called into question my support, simply because I have an opinion that doesn't match their's. But I've known enough Chelsea supporters in my time to know that you don't resemble one of them in the slightest if that's how you conduct yourself.

If you're looking at it objectively, then in reality - he is the indisputable greatest Chelsea player of all time. & that status will be immortalised beyond all plausible doubt once he gets those last 8 goals.

To be honest - I believe most Chelsea supporters would find your derogatory views on Lampard far more insulting than being called a pedo, cunt, wanker, or any other obtuse adjective for that matter.

You might think yourself a more genuine & superior supporter because of the fact you've been to games for 20 years & you apparently know so much more about this club than the rest of us do - but you certainly don't display half the heart that I expect from a True Blue.

Not when you speak about Frank with such chilling dissonance, as if removing all emotional attachment from the situation makes your argument far more plausible & this outrageous decision easier to accept.

If you were truly a blue-blooded Chelsea fan through & through - there is no way you could possibly bring yourself to do that.

Not when we are talking about the eternal legend that is Super Frankie fucking Lampard.

[Fulham Broadway 17,313]

I used to fucking hate Frank Lampard -give him dogs abuse -Frank Lampard senior that is, when we played the pikeys