Vesper 30,276 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mccg said: Liverpool and Chelsea are reportedly monitoring Lazio striker Ciro Immobile, with the Reds planning to send scouts to see him in action against Napoli on Sunday, according to Il Messaggero. He turns 30 in 13 months, so time is tight on him. I cannot see us making a mega money move for him, especially in the summer, as we would only get a wee bit over half a year of sub-30yo play out of him at that point. I would think our no multi-year contracts for 30 and over year olds would also come into play, as he would be 33 or 34yo at the the end of a 4 or 5 year deal. mccg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,276 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 BEST WESTON Liverpool eyeing £20m transfer bid for Weston McKennie, the USA international Jurgen Klopp rates as a future star Schalke youngster has been scouted by Reds staff as he put in an impressive two seasons in the Bundesliga https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8218671/liverpool-transfer-news-weston-mckennie-schalke/ JURGEN KLOPP is eyeing USA midfielder Weston McKennie. The Schalke youngster, 20, has been watched by Liverpool scouts during his impressive two seasons in the Bundesliga. Klopp will weigh up a £20million move this month or the summer to land McKennie, who is an international team-mate of Christian Pulisic. Pulisic has agreed a £58million move from Borussia Dortmund to Chelsea and the Reds target has similar potential on and off the pitch. McKennie played in midfield for USA in the defeat by England in November but can also operate in defence. That could be a factor for Klopp as he looks for cover following injuries to Dejan Lovren, Joe Gomez, Trent Alexander-Arnold and the departure of Nathaniel Clyne. snip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,091 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 11/01/2019 at 1:23 PM, Vesper said: Let me posit a laser-focused list of moves to do this window and in summer to sort us. This assumes CHO and Eden leaving. Get RB Achraf Hakimi plus £100m cash for Eden, Hakimi will be world class top 5 RB, he is a great takeaway Get RW Malcom plus £15 for Willian Buy Barella, SORT IT NOW! Loan him back till summer as his wife is 6 month preggers and doesnt want to move yet (totally valid) £45m Let Kovacic go back Buy Paredes NOW £30m or loan him for 6 months (he is different player than Barella) THEN sell to Boca either way Buy Sandro Tonali £25m Buy CF Luka Jovic for £55m Buy CF Piatek for CF £55m Buy LW Hirving Lozano £40m Buy RB Chilwell £50m Buy CB Éder Militão £45m (Luiz replacment) Buy AMF Nabil Fekir £60m Swap Morata for Suso plus £10m Promote Reece James and Tammy (backup striker) Angus Gunn (back up keeper and HG) £20m Pulisic £60m that's a net spend of £360m (counting both Paredes and Tonali) now for the sales Cesc £10m Luiz and Cahill will leave on frees (or we get a wee bit for Cahill if leaves this January) CHO £40m (our hands are tied, grrrr) Zappacosta £15m Alonso £45m (if not then sell Emerson for £20m, one has to go as Chilwell would be coming in a starter) Drinkwater £20m just get him out! Exhibit 1 for how stupid our board is Bakayoko £30m Moses £17.5m Sell Kenedy £17.5m Bats £30m Sell Zouma (£25m) Sell Musonda (£10m) Sell Barkley (£25m) Sell Pedro (£15m) Sell Giroud (£10m) Sell Paredes to Boca to make way for Tonali £30m thats £340 in total sales (£315m if Emerson goes instead of Alonso) meaning we only spend a total net of £20m to £45m for BOTH windows (lets even give a £50m wiggle room (in terms of extra cost or reduced sale value stipulation) its still only £70m to £95m net spend over 2 windows to totally remake and strengthen team (yes the team below is stronger than we have now, even with Eden leaving, as the 4 wingers en toto are better than what we have now, plus the MF and ESPECIALLY Fullback and strikers are massively upgraded as well) this leaves a 25 man roster, (including 8 HG's, so no issue there), of GK Kepa GK Gunn (HG) GK Bulka (HG) CB Rudiger CB Militão CB Azpi CB Ampadu (HG) MF cover as well CB AC (HG) LB Chilwell (HG) LB Alonso (or Emerson) RB Achraf Hakimi RB Reece James (HG) plus Azpi as cover DH DMF Jorginho DH DMF Sandro Tonali (after Paredes leaves to Boca from loan or buy) CMF Kante CMF Barella (He can play all 3 MF positions, so no pressure on Tonali to stp up instantly when Jorginho cannot play) AMF Fekir AMF RLC (HG) LW Pulisic (right footed) LW Lozano (right footed) RW Suso (left footed) RW Malcom (left footed) CF Piatek CF Jovic CF Tammy (HG) BOOOM and all that is more than doable, and I gave plenty of leeway money-wise You put so much thought into this. Did I miss an earlier post which explains to reason for the Parades manoeuvre? From the figures you speculate profit does not seem to be the motive. Are you perhaps suggesting that he is signed as an insurance policy in case we fail to get Tonali? Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,276 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 18/01/2019 at 0:01 AM, OhForAGreavsie said: You put so much thought into this. Did I miss an earlier post which explains to reason for the Paradesl manoeuvre? From the figures you speculate profit does not seem to be the motive. Are you perhaps suggesting that he is signed as an insurance policy in case we fail to get Tonali? Yes, plus everything I read in the beginning of his name being linked to us said he really wanted to go back to Boca Juniors. I was just trying to come up with a way for 1 Jorginho to stay as our starting DH DMF 2 We can buy and groom the best under 21yo DH DMF prospect atm on the planet with less pressure (perhaps a case could be made for two 20yo's, Sander Berge (turns 21yo in 4 weeks) from KRC Genk or Arne Maier (just turned 20yo 10 days ago) from Hertha Berlin) 3 Have cover for Jorginho for the next 6 months in Paredes and then sell him to his number one wish club (Boca, who can sell their starting DH DMF, Nahitan Nández, to Cagliari with the Barella money) 4 Buy Barella (who can play DH DMF bt is better in a more forward role) and loan him back for 6 months, so his pregnant wife is happy and can give birth in Sardinia with Nicolo at her side), and then in summer he comes to the club he has said he most wants to come to (Chelsea) 5 Let Kovavcic go back to Real in summer (Barella is an upgrade), and they will more than likely sell him to his favourite place (well was) Inter Milan, who are very interested in buying him back. Everyone thus ends up at clubs they most want to be at. IF we miss out on Tonali, we keep Paredes, as he is hardly a bad player, in fact right NOW he is far beyond Tonali, who is only 18yo and very raw, albeit exceptional in potential. We could always moved for Tonali later, but the risk is that he will be 3, 4 times the price. Barella and Paredes are two different type players. Barella is pretty unique, as he is such a beast defensively whilst maintaining a very forward thrusting games, and he can score more than Kovacic. Paredes is a very fluid player, great passer, and prefers the deep lying role more. I rate every player I have mentioned here, a lot, even Nahitan Nández (although he is at the bottom of this list) but some are just better suited for Sarriball than others IMHO. Sarri obviously likes Italian players. There is a huge shortage of them at most positions 'this is every really good Italian MFer (all positions) there is not a lot , 15 total some marginal the truly good ones are in bold, there are only 7 if we got Barella and Tonali, we would have half of their top MFers in order of age 18yo Tonali LOVE HIM 19yo Nicolò Zaniolo AMF Roma next 2 years will be crucial to see if he progresses, Arsenal and Real are really sniffing around, especially Arse 20yo none, literally, no 20yos of any real talent 21yo Barella LOVE HIM 21yo Rolando Mandragora CMF Udinese (I rate him a bit too) 21yo Manuel Locatelli DMF Sassuolo (has regressed at Milan, so they dumped him for only £9m, I think may come back to bite them, not Chels quality atm) 22yo Lorenzo Pellegrini CMF Roma class class player, no place here really in Sarriball, especially if we did get Barella, almost every big team wants him 23yo Bryan Cristante CMF Roma another player I really rate, he is more defensively sound than Pellegrini, so maybe would be a better fit for Sarriball (the Barella role) Frank Lampard was his idol growing up 24yo Roberto Gagliardini CMF Inter Milan For some reason he is way out of favour, wants to leave, Inter have rejected bids for him so far 24yo Marco Benassi CMF Fiorentina a bit of a late bloomer, really smooth silky MF, like a poor man's Pellegrini, Inter want him back 25yo Manuel Lazzari Right MF, SPAL decent player, plays RB too, Napoli might want him for that 26yo Marco Verratti CMF PSG the best Italian MFer, toss up between him and Lorenzo Insigne for best Italian overall player, I think Barella has potential to pass Verratti 26yo Daniele Baselli CMF Torino similar to Benassi, really nice player 27yo Jorginho DH DMF Chelsea 27yo Riccardo Saponara AMF Sampdoria is oki, nothing special 28yo none, literally, no 28yos of any real talent 29yo Giacomo Bonaventura CMF AC Milan out for year with horrid knee injury, may be finished, was oki, not great before' 30yo and above, none, Claudio Marchisio, who turns 33 tomorrow, is simply too old, and that is really the case for another ex great one, 35yo Daniele De Rossi kc_blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideshow Luiz 2,310 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 @Vesper Personally, I'd like to go for Barella and Parades/Tonali We need cover for Kante, and I see Barella in that role, especially if Kovacic goes back to Madrid this summer. Edit: I don't always quote your posts because it would take up the whole screen Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,276 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said: @Vesper Personally, I'd like to go for Barella and Parades/Tonali We need cover for Kante, and I see Barella in that role, especially if Kovacic goes back to Madrid this summer. If we don't wrap up Barella with a buy and a loan-back this January, the bidding war on him next summer is going to be crazy. There just are not many young, crazy talented and high energy big motor MFers out there. He is a special player IMHO. If SMS had his drive, Lazio would have no problem getting over £100m for him. I cannot think of hardly any players who could literally play all 3 of the Sarriball MFer positions besides Barella. Frenkie de Jong is clearly another. Probably SMS, Saúl Ñíguez (maybe, not sure about him in a Regista role) and maybe Pogba (again cannot see him happy in a Regista role). Tanguy Ndombele probably could handle it. Houssem Aouar might be able to adapt, I so dread him going to Shitty or Victimpool. Same for Donny van de Beek, but he and Aouar are both more offensive than defensive players. Marcelo Brozovic and maybe Fred. Thats about it that I can think of. The older examples are Nainggolan and Vidal, but again, its the DH part that they might not like so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,091 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, Vesper said: Yes, plus everything I read in the beginning of his name being linked to us said he really wanted to go back to Boca Juniors. I was just trying to come up with a way for 1 Jorginho to stay as our starting DH DMF 2 We can buy and groom the best under 21yo DH DMF prospect atm on the planet with less pressure (perhaps a case could be made for two 20yo's, Sander Berge (turns 21yo in 4 weeks) from KRC Genk or Arne Maier (just turned 20yo 10 days ago) from Hertha Berlin) 3 Have cover for Jorginho for the next 6 months in Paredes and then sell him to his number one wish club (Boca, who can sell their starting DH DMF, Nahitan Nández, to Cagliari with the Barella money) 4 Buy Barella (who can play DH DMF bt is better in a more forward role) and loan him back for 6 months, so his pregnant wife is happy and can give birth in Sardinia with Nicolo at her side), and then in summer he comes to the club he has said he most wants to come to (Chelsea) 5 Let Kovavcic go back to Real in summer (Barella is an upgrade), and they will more than likely sell him to his favourite place (well was) Inter Milan, who are very interested in buying him back. Everyone thus ends up at clubs they most want to be at. IF we miss out on Tonali, we keep Paredes, as he is hardly a bad player, in fact right NOW he is far beyond Tonali, who is only 18yo and very raw, albeit exceptional in potential. We could always moved for Tonali later, but the risk is that he will be 3, 4 times the price. Barella and Paredes are two different type players. Barella is pretty unique, as he is such a beast defensively whilst maintaining a very forward thrusting games, and he can score more than Kovacic. Paredes is a very fluid player, great passer, and prefers the deep lying role more. I rate every player I have mentioned here, a lot, even Nahitan Nández (although he is at the bottom of this list) but some are just better suited for Sarriball than others IMHO. Sarri obviously likes Italian players. There is a huge shortage of them at most positions 'this is every really good Italian MFer (all positions) there is not a lot , 15 total some marginal the truly good ones are in bold, there are only 6 if we got Barella and Tonali, we would have half of their top MFers in order of age 18yo Tonali LOVE HIM 19yo Nicolò Zaniolo AMF Roma next 2 years will be crucial to see if he progresses, Arsenal and Real are really sniffing around, especially Arse 20yo none, literally, no 20yos of any real talent 21yo Barella LOVE HIM 21yo Rolando Mandragora CMF Udinese (I rate him a bit too) 21yo Manuel Locatelli DMF Sassuolo (has regressed at Milan, so they dumped him for only £9m, I think may come back to bite them, not Chels quality atm) 22yo Lorenzo Pellegrini CMF Roma class class player, no place here really in Sarriball, especially if we did get Barella, almost every big team wants him 23yo Bryan Cristante CMF Roma another player I really rate, he is more defensively sound than Pellegrini, so maybe would be a better fit for Sarriball (the Barella role) Frank Lampard was his idol growing up 24yo Roberto Gagliardini CMF Inter Milan For some reason he is way out of favour, wants to leave, Inter have rejected bids for him so far 24yo Marco Benassi CMF Fiorentina a bit of a late bloomer, really smooth silky MF, like a poor man's Pellegrini, Inter want him back 25yo Manuel Lazzari Right MF, SPAL decent player, plays RB too, Napoli might want him for that 26yo Marco Verratti CMF PSG the best Italian MFer, toss up between him and Lorenzo Insigne for best Italian overall player, I think Barella has potential to pass Verratti 26yo Daniele Baselli CMF Torino similar to Benassi, really nice player 27yo Jorginho DH DMF Chelsea 27yo Riccardo Saponara AMF Sampdoria is oki, nothing special 28yo none, literally, no 28yos of any real talent 29yo Giacomo Bonaventura CMF AC Milan out for year with horrid knee injury, may be finished, was oki, not great before' 30yo and above, none, Claudio Marchisio, who turns 33 tomorrow, is simply too old, and that is really the case for another ex great one, 35yo Daniele De Rossi The strategy sounds good to me. It depends of course on the accuracy of the player assessments and the success of the recruitment phase. Let's assume that the assessments are good, I've no reason to think differently. The recruitment will continue to be easier said than done however, continue to be a problem, I think. If we managed to put your plan into action, I think that list of new recruits will intensify the Kante dilemma so the manager will need to handle that situation. On Matt, the lack of goal threat in his game is definitely a problem, both in general, and in our team specifically. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,276 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: The strategy sounds good to me. It depends of course on the accuracy of the player assessments and the success rate in recruiting the targets. Let's assume that the assessments are good, I've no reason to think differently. The recruitment will continue to be easier said than done, continue to be a problem, I think. If we managed to put your plan into action, I think that list of new recruits will intensify the Kante dilemma so the manager will need to handle that situation. On Matt, the lack of goal threat in his game is definitely a problem, both in general, and in our team specifically. The only 3 on that list I really really want (Verratti is far too expensive, well over £100m to prise him away fro PSG I am still sure of) are one we have (Jorgi) and then the 2 we are strongly linked with, Tonali and especially Barella. Just hope we can pull it off. Paredes is also another (albeit non Italian) who I have liked for years, so it is nice to see the club at least trying for players I rate and like a lot. Now, we all need to truly hope that Higuain finds the Sarri fountain of youth and goals, lolol. If he comes good, I will be the first one to eat my words and say for the 2nd time in last 3 years I was wrong on a player, just in the opposite direction. I truly thought Bakayoko would come in and play like he did in Monaco, and sort of is now in Milan. I even went back and watched like 10 Monaco games of his to see if I had just projected overly-positive vision, but nope. He has really really good there. Came here and was one of worst big money EPL busts in last 15 years. And yes, I am so disappointed that Kovacic cant score. So gifted technically, and seems to have a great football brain, but almost zero end output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,091 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Vesper said: The only 3 on that list I really really want (Verratti is far too expensive, well over £100m to prise him away fro PSG I am still sure of) are one we have (Jorgi) and then the 2 we are strongly linked with, Tonali and especially Barella. Just hope we can pull it off. Paredes is also another (albeit non Italian) who I have liked for years, so it is nice to see the club at least trying for players I rate and like a lot. Now, we all need to truly hope that Higuain finds the Sarri fountain of youth and goals, lolol. If he comes good, I will be the first one to eat my words and say for the 2nd time in last 3 years I was wrong on a player, just in the opposite direction. I truly thought Bakayoko would come in and play like he did in Monaco, and sort of is now in Milan. I even went back and watched like 10 Monaco games of his to see if I had just projected overly-positive vision, but nope. He has really really good there. Came here and was one of worst big money EPL busts in last 15 years. And yes, I am so disappointed that Kovacic cant score. So gifted technically, and seems to have a great football brain, but almost zero end output. I was wrong about Baka too. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 39 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: I was wrong about Baka too. Me three! Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccg 1,528 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 CHELSEA IDENTIFY LOBOTKA AS PAREDES ALTERNATIVE https://readchelsea.com/2019/01/17/chelsea-identify-lobotka-as-paredes-alternative/ Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Bet he will have a queue of other top scouts on his arese eh! Chelsea to scout Arber Zeneli this weekend as they consider a £5m move for the Heerenveen forward The Heerenveen star is earning rave reviews for his performances this season He is out of contract in the summer and could be available for as little as £5m A Chelsea scout is scheduled in Amsterdam on Sunday when he will start https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6609045/Chelsea-scout-Arber-Zeneli-weekend-consider-5m-move.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 What Chelsea boss Maurizio Sarri has been told about signings by Roman Abramovich's chief CHELSEA boss Maurizio Sarri has been told by the board they don't agree with his suggestions of new signings, says expert Ian McGarry. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1074528/Chelsea-transfer-news-Maurizio-Sarri-Gonzalo-Higuain-Roman-Abramovich Vesper and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,514 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, Unionjack said: What Chelsea boss Maurizio Sarri has been told about signings by Roman Abramovich's chief CHELSEA boss Maurizio Sarri has been told by the board they don't agree with his suggestions of new signings, says expert Ian McGarry. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1074528/Chelsea-transfer-news-Maurizio-Sarri-Gonzalo-Higuain-Roman-Abramovich useless board Unionjack and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! kc_blue 265 Posted January 19, 2019 Popular Post! Share Posted January 19, 2019 Hmmm. What's the point of having a manager if you don't trust his evaluations of the team? Why not just appoint our board as manager and management staff? DDA, kellzfresh, Vesper and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said: useless board 10-4 good buddy! Just watched Convoy lol Vesper and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,276 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Unionjack said: What Chelsea boss Maurizio Sarri has been told about signings by Roman Abramovich's chief CHELSEA boss Maurizio Sarri has been told by the board they don't agree with his suggestions of new signings, says expert Ian McGarry. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1074528/Chelsea-transfer-news-Maurizio-Sarri-Gonzalo-Higuain-Roman-Abramovich This is all going to end badly I fear. I cannot believe we havent dumped some of the deadweight either. January is a massive seller's market. Johnnyeye and Unionjack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,276 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Chelsea plan to lure Philippe Coutinho back to the Premier League http://www.espn.co.uk/soccer/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3754594/transfer-talk-chelsea-plan-to-lure-philippe-coutinho-back-to-the-premier-league silllllllllly season Unionjack and Johnnyeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,276 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 João Felix Reports Indicate Liverpool’s £61m Bid Rejected For European Midfielder https://the4thofficial.net/2019/01/reports-indicate-liverpools-61m-bid-rejected-for-european-midfielder-should-the-reds-make-another-offer/ According to a recent report by Portuguese news outlet Correio da Manha, Liverpool have made a massive £61m (€70m) offer for João Félix, but Benfica have reportedly turned down the bid in an effort to keep hold of their prized asset. The same report has also revealed that the Portuguese starlet recently penned a new deal with the Liga NOS giants and his current contract contains a £105m buyout clause. Moreover, Correio da Manha has mentioned that the Reds will face stiff competition from the likes of Manchester City, Paris Saint-Germain, Barcelona and AS Monaco in pursuit of the Benfica wonderkid. The 19-year-old has been in excellent form for his team and has already put in some eye-catching displays for the Portuguese outfit during the course of this campaign. He has featured in 18 matches for the Eagles this term, scoring six goals while creating one assist across all competitions. The youngster has also represented Portugal at various youth levels and is destined for a big future in European football. snip Johnnyeye and Unionjack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 10 hours ago, Vesper said: Chelsea plan to lure Philippe Coutinho back to the Premier League http://www.espn.co.uk/soccer/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3754594/transfer-talk-chelsea-plan-to-lure-philippe-coutinho-back-to-the-premier-league silllllllllly season Why not? Johnnyeye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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