Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

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Janmaat is too good for Newcastle!!! Hijack the deal?

And we need a new right-back why exactly?

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And we need a new right-back why exactly?

Janmaat on the right, azpi on the left and Iva in CB.

that's a 5m for a 25-year-old international. As opposed to 20m+ for a 29-yo left back.

[Jype 6,398]

Janmaat on the right, azpi on the left and Iva in CB.

that's a 5m for a 25-year-old international. As opposed to 20m+ for a 29-yo left back.

There's a reason as to why Daryl Janmaat at 25 is still playing in the Eredivisie, which if I might add is usually not very well known for the quality of the defending. That's not me saying I don't think he's any good but to even suggest ditching the almost signed deal for Filipe Luis, one of the best left-backs in Europe for the last couple of years, in favour of signing Janmaat and continuing to play Azpilicueta out of position is insane.

Good player for Newcastle and will probably be a perfect replacement for Arsenal-bound Debuchy but I don't think he's anywhere close to being what we need right now and we can't sign everyone who's available for a decent price. If you're going to suggest we forget Luis and sign one of the Dutch defenders who impressed at the World Cup, at least go with Daley Blind who had a much better tournament and is actually a left-back.

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There's a reason as to why Daryl Janmaat at 25 is still playing in the Eredivisie, which if I might add is usually not very well known for the quality of the defending. That's not me saying I don't think he's any good but to even suggest ditching the almost signed deal for Filipe Luis, one of the best left-backs in Europe for the last couple of years, in favour of signing Janmaat and continuing to play Azpilicueta out of position is insane.

Good player for Newcastle and will probably be a perfect replacement for Arsenal-bound Debuchy but I don't think he's anywhere close to being what we need right now and we can't sign everyone who's available for a decent price. If you're going to suggest we forget Luis and sign one of the Dutch defenders who impressed at the World Cup, at least go with Daley Blind who had a much better tournament and is actually a left-back.

Disagree on Filipe being a sure bet. And I think we are overpaying for him by a wide margin. Rather have 2-3 5m bets than a 20m bet. Wasn't he injury-prone at some point too?

Filipe Luis has had his best season ever and it was only a season when surrounded by talented others. The worst time to acquire a player is after his best season ever, or immediately after some important achievement, like the Spanish title. The best player they got is Godin, who's better than both our CBs.

[Jype 6,398]

Disagree on Filipe being a sure bet. And I think we are overpaying for him by a wide margin. Rather have 2-3 5m bets than a 20m bet. Wasn't he injury-prone at some point too?

Filipe Luis has had his best season ever and it was only a season when surrounded by talented others. The worst time to acquire a player is after his best season ever, or immediately after some important achievement, like the Spanish title. The best player they got is Godin, who's better than both our CBs.

So you'd rather buy a few average players for £5m each and hope for a miracle than spend £15m on someone who's been among the best players in the world in his position for a couple of years now? Not sure you'll find many who agree with you there. We don't need quantity as much as we need quality and if the club thinks Luis is worth the £15m then I'm more than okay with that. And it's not like £15m for a class player who can give us three or four years of service at the highest level is some obscure amount of money.

Also, Luis has never been injury prone. Sure he just broke his leg a few years back which kept him out for a good while but that's not something we should be concerned about because naturally leg breaks are not recurring injuries like knee ligaments for example.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Janmaat is a decent player, could be a good squad player here but no way is he good enough to be a regular starter here. I'd happily rather overpay for Filipe Luis by £5/6/7m than buy Janmaat as a starter at RB which'll leave Azpi on the left.

[DavidEU 2,023]

Two somewhat bizarre transfers..

For half the cost of Ross McCormack moving to Fulham in the Championship...

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Janmaat was a bit better than decent in this world cup... and he's only 25 which means he may still be improving as a player.

So you'd rather buy a few average players for £5m each and hope for a miracle than spend £15m on someone who's been among the best players in the world in his position for a couple of years now? Not sure you'll find many who agree with you there. We don't need quantity as much as we need quality and if the club thinks Luis is worth the £15m then I'm more than okay with that. And it's not like £15m for a class player who can give us three or four years of service at the highest level is some obscure amount of money.

Also, Luis has never been injury prone. Sure he just broke his leg a few years back which kept him out for a good while but that's not something we should be concerned about because naturally leg breaks are not recurring injuries like knee ligaments for example.

Yep... I don't think the difference between him and Filipe is 15m Euros worth.

I'd love to be proven wrong once/if he signs for us.

Yes, I think Chelsea goes either too young or two "ready", but misses on the "good buys" territory... like Andre for example.

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Janmaat was a bit better than decent in this world cup... and he's only 25 which means he may still be improving as a player.

Yep... I don't think the difference between him and Filipe is 15m Euros worth.

I'd love to be proven wrong once/if he signs for us.

Yes, I think Chelsea goes either too young or two "ready", but misses on the "good buys" territory... like Andre for example.

How was he "a bit better than decent" when he couldn't even keep his place in the team after the group stage and only started 3 out of 7 games throughout Oranje's cup run? I do remember him being excellent against Spain in their opening game but other than that I didn't really see anything special and the question is, why didn't Louis Van Gaal trust him when the stakes got higher? Also, players should never be judged based only on their national team performances because there's always those who impress there but fail to live up to expectations when they get their big moves with players like Gregory Van der Wiel and Theodore Gebre-Selassie being prime examples of average full-backs who shined in the last two major international tournaments but have proved shit since. How good has Janmaat been at Feyenoord in the last two or three seasons, can you honestly say you know him enough to tell for sure? And even if he's been impressive there the step up from Eredivisie to the PL is huge, especially for defenders, so I wouldn't be so sure he can reproduce his performances in a much better league, at least not straight away without first going through an adaptation period, so I think a club like Newcastle are pretty ideal for him at the moment and the time to make a move to a big team will come later if he first proves himself in a better league.

And even if we disregard the debate on whether Janmaat is actually good enough, there's still the major issue that he's a right-back and that's probably the least of our worries at the moment. Why even consider trying to desperately fit a square peg in a round hole by getting another RB and continuing to play Azpilicueta out of position if the alternative is to get Luis who is exactly what we're looking for?

Whether you like him or not, Filipe Luis has proven to be one of the best left-backs in the world based on his form for the last 3-4 years and at least to me £15m for a player like that is not at all unreasonable. The fact he's soon to be 29 doesn't matter at all because it's about time we get a few players in their prime to compliment the 20-24 year olds who are still yet to reach their career peaks. I for one am very much looking forward to seeing Luis at Chelsea and as an attacking left-back he should also help unlock some of Hazard's potential by offering another option out wide so Hazard can't be marked so tightly, and that's something we couldn't achieve last season with Azpilicueta playing as a right footed left-back who didn't go forward much.

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How was he "a bit better than decent" when he couldn't even keep his place in the team after the group stage and only started 3 out of 7 games throughout Oranje's cup run? I do remember him being excellent against Spain in their opening game but other than that I didn't really see anything special and the question is, why didn't Louis Van Gaal trust him when the stakes got higher? Also, players should never be judged based only on their national team performances because there's always those who impress there but fail to live up to expectations when they get their big moves with players like Gregory Van der Wiel and Theodore Gebre-Selassie being prime examples of average full-backs who shined in the last two major international tournaments but have proved shit since. How good has Janmaat been at Feyenoord in the last two or three seasons, can you honestly say you know him enough to tell for sure? And even if he's been impressive there the step up from Eredivisie to the PL is huge, especially for defenders, so I wouldn't be so sure he can reproduce his performances in a much better league, at least not straight away without first going through an adaptation period, so I think a club like Newcastle are pretty ideal for him at the moment and the time to make a move to a big team will come later if he first proves himself in a better league.

And even if we disregard the debate on whether Janmaat is actually good enough, there's still the major issue that he's a right-back and that's probably the least of our worries at the moment. Why even consider trying to desperately fit a square peg in a round hole by getting another RB and continuing to play Azpilicueta out of position if the alternative is to get Luis who is exactly what we're looking for?

Whether you like him or not, Filipe Luis has proven to be one of the best left-backs in the world based on his form for the last 3-4 years and at least to me £15m for a player like that is not at all unreasonable. The fact he's soon to be 29 doesn't matter at all because it's about time we get a few players in their prime to compliment the 20-24 year olds who are still yet to reach their career peaks. I for one am very much looking forward to seeing Luis at Chelsea and as an attacking left-back he should also help unlock some of Hazard's potential by offering another option out wide so Hazard can't be marked so tightly, and that's something we couldn't achieve last season with Azpilicueta playing as a right footed left-back who didn't go forward much.

I'm calling the way I see it and I liked what I saw from him. Yes, it would be a bet, but a club who pays 19m Euros for a 29yo leftback I reckon can afford a few "cheap" bets. I'm basing on the 5m price tag he's got. Fullbacks rely on pace... meybe he's going to be just a tad slower next season. And perhaps much slower int he following season... who knows?! Around 30 anything goes esp concerning pace and power. Look a torres... just as injury-prone and lost all his pace way before 29...

I'm far less optimistic about the team and the current crop of players than most around here. I don't think the back line is good enough. It's very convenient to say we did not beat the weak (even lost some) sides because we did not have a proper striker, but it's a fantasy and the results IMO prove that. And I am not so sure Fabregas is going to be enough to push forward when we are facing teams who put 11 men behind the ball.

What I don't see is anyone from the defense line capable of pushing forward. That push can come froma fullback, or even from a defender with a bit more care and cover, but we've got NOTHING attacking wise from the back line. They are excellent in defense and pretty poor going forward except set pieces. Azpi can pull a cross here and there, but is hardly attacking. Luis might provide that, but in the games I've seen from him he was more of a defensive fullback.

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I'm calling the way I see it and I liked what I saw from him. Yes, it would be a bet, but a club who pays 19m Euros for a 29yo leftback I reckon can afford a few "cheap" bets. I'm basing on the 5m price tag he's got. Fullbacks rely on pace... meybe he's going to be just a tad slower next season. And perhaps much slower int he following season... who knows?! Around 30 anything goes esp concerning pace and power. Look a torres... just as injury-prone and lost all his pace way before 29...

You talk as if a player who's just about to turn 29 is somehow over the hill and constantly in the decline, when in fact that's probably when most players are enjoying the best time of their career, being fully matured and still physically in top condition for at least a couple of years. Luis can easily offer us 3-4 at the highest level and after that it's probably time for him to move on.

Comparing him to Torres is just pointless because his career, much like Essien's like we saw at Chelsea, was clearly ruined by his many knee and muscle injuries which meant he was already way past it at 27. Luis hasn't had that so it's more than likely he'll still stay in his peak physically for another few years before he begins to decline. After buying so many young players in the last couple of years I would much rather have the club spend £15m on Filipe now and get, if not guaranteed then at least very likely, success with him than take a gamble on some unproven an unexperienced player who might prove to be almost as good if everything goes perfectly.

It's not like the club can't afford to buy him at £15m so why accept getting someone who's not as good as him? While it would be ideal to get someone a year or two younger there are no such players available at the moment who are anywhere near as good as Luis is so getting him makes all the sense in the world.

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You talk as if a player who's just about to turn 29 is somehow over the hill and constantly in the decline, when in fact that's probably when most players are enjoying the best time of their career, being fully matured and still physically in top condition for at least a couple of years. Luis can easily offer us 3-4 at the highest level and after that it's probably time for him to move on.

Comparing him to Torres is just pointless because his career, much like Essien's like we saw at Chelsea, was clearly ruined by his many knee and muscle injuries which meant he was already way past it at 27. Luis hasn't had that so it's more than likely he'll still stay in his peak physically for another few years before he begins to decline. After buying so many young players in the last couple of years I would much rather have the club spend £15m on Filipe now and get, if not guaranteed then at least very likely, success with him than take a gamble on some unproven an unexperienced player who might prove to be almost as good if everything goes perfectly.

It's not like the club can't afford to buy him at £15m so why accept getting someone who's not as good as him? While it would be ideal to get someone a year or two younger there are no such players available at the moment who are anywhere near as good as Luis is so getting him makes all the sense in the world.

That's my point though as there are no guarantees he will perform at the same level. Cole's dipped in 1-2 seasons without warning. At 32 he was already insufficient according to Jose.

I understand where you are coming from though, but my point was more about characteristics than current ability. He may be the finished product, but is he the guy who can push forward and be the "surprise" man in attack like I've seen the Dutch guy do over and over again in this world cup?

That's what I'm concerned about... that we are going to be as solid against the strong sides and just as poor against the weaker ones.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Patrice Evra agrees to join Juventus from Manchester United by email during his Los Angeles holiday

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2690766/Patrice-Evra-agrees-join-Juventus-Manchester-United-email-Los-Angeles-holiday.html

Seems no Vidal included.

[Muzchap 8,966]

things moving rather more slowly than I would like .. both incoming and outgoing

To be expected with the WC - small window before - I'd guess end July really busy and deadline day too

[Ankit 3,176]

Good addition to the PL

[Ankit 3,176]

In the Metro:

Liverpool have been given a boost in the hunt for Mario Balotelli after AC Milan reportedly slashed his asking price to just £14million.

Wut?

[sherry33 234]

In the Metro:

Liverpool have been given a boost in the hunt for Mario Balotelli after AC Milan reportedly slashed his asking price to just £14million.

Wut?

Metro really were jealous on dailymail

[BlueLyon 9,359]

After Costa, Cesc and Luis, we are still in race to sign Pogba/Vidal, Varane, Griezmann according to reports...if we sign one of those it will be cherry on top of cake, but I dont see it happening at all. Perhaps if I had to make one more transfer, it would be another striker. Lukaku on way out, I dont want either Torres or Ba to be our 2nd striker and I think if Costa gets injured, having a new striker or having Torres in lineup as Costa replacement will make the title difference.