Non-Chelsea Transfer Pub

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

Atletico's CEO confirming Griezmann will be playing at Barcelona next season. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Everyone says that english clubs dont pruduce or make any players, they just buy and yet one poor season and both spanish giants buy everything there is left and right and they still feel entitled. They actualy believe they are different and theey have the nerve to shit on other clubs that spend big. Sure sure your succees is build not bought, right. 

Fucking pricks and their fans are the worst. 

Thats the reason I want english or even italian clubs rule the europe again. Anything is better than those cunts. 

But how if they end up buying all the best players from england every year.

[NikkiCFC 8,318]

55 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Ferland Mendy to Real Madrid official. 

Jovic, Hazard, and Mendy done and the window's only open. 

Plus Militao and Rodrigo. Must be really nice to be Real Madrid fan. 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Plus Militao and Rodrigo. Must be really nice to be Real Madrid fan. 

270-300m spent already. And obviously they will never be punished by uefa/fifa.

[the wes 7,212]

44 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

270-300m spent already. And obviously they will never be punished by uefa/fifa.

They will sell players to balance the books 

[Special Juan 28,141]

Spoke to Jonathan Woodgate tonight, he is on the verge of getting the Middlesbrough job. Local lad getting the job of the home town club he loves, what a great thing for him.

Very similar to what we might see here with Lampard, two rookie managers starting out, obviously slightly different circumstances but someone has to take a gamble on them at some point. Surround them with the right people, a blend of experience and passion and I really have no issue with it.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,072]

1 hour ago, BlueLyon said:

270-300m spent already. And obviously they will never be punished by uefa/fifa.

I doubt there's anyone left who still believes that there's anything fair about uefa's FFP regulations. It's one thing to accept that less wealthy clubs can't spend as much as the monster clubs. It's another thing altogether to say that they are not even allowed to. Yet that is exactly the situation with FFP.

Real can't be punished because the regulations allow them to spend more than almost every other club so they won't have broken any rules. Even if this spending took them close to the limit, they still have time to complete some sales and balance the books a bit.

[the wes 7,212]

Utd got Daniel James that kid got pace to burn 

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

But no end product 

[LAM09 7,051]

270-300m spent already. And obviously they will never be punished by uefa/fifa.

They've hardly spent a penny in recent windows by their standards and most of it will be offset by departures.

 

However, if they sign someone over £100m, people will echo your sentiment.

 

[1905didierblue 748]

I dont get this hate on madrid. This is their net spend for the last 5 seasons:

2018-19: -30mil euros

2017-18: +88mil euros

2016-17: -7.5mil euros

2015-16: -70mil euros

2014-15: -13mil euros

Total: -32.5 mil euros.

They have spent a total of 32.5 mil euros in 5 years. let that sink in. Winning 3 CLs. in the same time period, we have spent 200mil pounds on crass like DD, morata, baka, alonso, zappa and we are the ones to cry and moan about them spending. LOL

 

[Vesper 30,169]

On 11/06/2019 at 4:46 PM, MoroccanBlue said:

I liked what I saw with Ruben Dias. Looked better than De Ligt 

He is a super solid CB, but is nowhere near de Ligt level.

That said I would LOVE him on our team, he is tailor-made for the EPL, pacey and strong, good size (1.87m), and good at distribution

IF we had a summer window (we will not, I am 90% sure of thsi, barring some miracle)these are the 6 CB's I would be looking at

José Giménez (crazy hard pull, put he is the best on this list)

Marquinhos (probably out of our price range)

Alessio Romagnoli (will be just as hard a pull as the top 2)

Ibrahima Konaté (a 20yo monster, Koulibaly potential clone, but bigger, 1.93m, IF he is available in summer 2020, I would so grab him)

Rúben Dias

Evan N'Dicka (next summer, if he progresses even more (he is still only 19, turns 20 in August, and if all those other 5 above are gone or undoable, he is who I would grab)

 

(Skriniar is off the table, de Ligt will not come here, Varane now isnt leaving, Koulibaly is too expensive, and next year too old (29yo on June 20th, 2020) for the amount of money the Poison Dwarf will still ask for, we botched Éder Militão and Lucas Hernández, and Umtiti looks broken atm)

 

[Vesper 30,169]

34 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

I dont get this hate on madrid. This is their net spend for the last 5 seasons:

2018-19: -30mil euros

2017-18: +88mil euros

2016-17: -7.5mil euros

2015-16: -70mil euros

2014-15: -13mil euros

Total: -32.5 mil euros.

They have spent a total of 32.5 mil euros in 5 years. let that sink in. Winning 3 CLs. in the same time period, we have spent 200mil pounds on crass like DD, morata, baka, alonso, zappa and we are the ones to cry and moan about them spending. LOL

 

I do not care what they spend, I just fucking hate them, lolol

[BlueLyon 9,359]

1 hour ago, 1905didierblue said:

I dont get this hate on madrid. This is their net spend for the last 5 seasons:

2018-19: -30mil euros

2017-18: +88mil euros

2016-17: -7.5mil euros

2015-16: -70mil euros

2014-15: -13mil euros

Total: -32.5 mil euros.

They have spent a total of 32.5 mil euros in 5 years. let that sink in. Winning 3 CLs. in the same time period, we have spent 200mil pounds on crass like DD, morata, baka, alonso, zappa and we are the ones to cry and moan about them spending. LOL

 

Because their team was already built prior to that. And they spent alot back then.

They will spend 300m this summer, 300m next (+earn some cash from deadwood sales)

Obviously they wont have to buy much after that because they will invest heavily in next two years. But the point still stands.

As for us, I have been saying we actualy spent alot too and its almost impossible to believe what we have to show now. We along United are the worst run club out there. 

Anyway what people hate about Real is their entitlement. I personaly dont care if City spends, if we spend, if real spends. Its how football works. But it does piss me off that you have these entitled fans and club personnel who think they are something more than other spenders. Thing is all spend big money to buy titles. Some more successfull and some less. But then you see these Real fans talk about city, chelsea and other oil clubs how we ruin football, how we cant do anything without spending. Yet its Real and Barca that always steal best players from best clubs. Only time they lost a player of that calibre was Neymar to Psg. And they have the nerve to say we ruin football for spending big on players like Silva, Suarez, Hazard, Aguero, Dijk, Salah and making them world class while Real or Barca comes around they they buy those established star players from us. And the pricks feel they can have anyone in the world and more. 

When did english team get world class player from real/barca, someone who was undisputed starter there? Makelele comes to my mind, but even then Real wanted to offload him. Fabregas, Alexis, Ozil were expendable when they left. Turn the situation around and you see they have been buying players from epl every season almost. Suarez, Bale, Ronaldo, Modric, Hazard,...

They shit on epl all the fucking time and yet they always cream over epl players. Buy from outside of PL and they wont win shit. Pep barca being an  exception.

[Vesper 30,169]

CIES Football Observatory

n°265 - 13/06/2019

Values

Most expensive big-5 league players: Salah behind Mbappé

http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2018/265/en/

Issue number 265 of the Weekly Post presents the 100 players from the five major European leagues with the highest transfer values according to the freshly updated and further improved CIES Football Observatory algorithm. Three forwards are in the top three positions: Kylian Mbappé(€252M), Mohammed Salah (€219M) and Raheem Sterling (€208M).

Apart from strikers, the most expensive footballers per position are Alisson Becker (€107M) for goalkeepers, Trent Alexander-Arnold (€130M) for defenders and Paul Pogba (€125M) for midfielders. Lionel Messi(€167M) heads the rankings for players over 31 years of age, while Cristiano Ronaldo (€118M) tops the table for footballers aged 33 or more.

The CIES Football Observatory algorithm takes into account a wide array of variables such as age, contract, position, minutes, goals, international status, team results, etc. The estimates refer to the value for the most likely recruiting club. The price range for all of the big-5 league players can be accessed for free here. Deeper analysis is available on a consultancy basis.

Transfer values, 12/06/2019 (million €)

Club - End of contract - Age - National A-team

[1905didierblue 748]

2 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Because their team was already built prior to that. And they spent alot back then.

They will spend 300m this summer, 300m next (+earn some cash from deadwood sales)

Obviously they wont have to buy much after that because they will invest heavily in next two years. But the point still stands.

As for us, I have been saying we actualy spent alot too and its almost impossible to believe what we have to show now. We along United are the worst run club out there. 

Anyway what people hate about Real is their entitlement. I personaly dont care if City spends, if we spend, if real spends. Its how football works. But it does piss me off that you have these entitled fans and club personnel who think they are something more than other spenders. Thing is all spend big money to buy titles. Some more successfull and some less. But then you see these Real fans talk about city, chelsea and other oil clubs how we ruin football, how we cant do anything without spending. Yet its Real and Barca that always steal best players from best clubs. Only time they lost a player of that calibre was Neymar to Psg. And they have the nerve to say we ruin football for spending big on players like Silva, Suarez, Hazard, Aguero, Dijk, Salah and making them world class while Real or Barca comes around they they buy those established star players from us. And the pricks feel they can have anyone in the world and more. 

When did english team get world class player from real/barca, someone who was undisputed starter there? Makelele comes to my mind, but even then Real wanted to offload him. Fabregas, Alexis, Ozil were expendable when they left. Turn the situation around and you see they have been buying players from epl every season almost. Suarez, Bale, Ronaldo, Modric, Hazard,...

They shit on epl all the fucking time and yet they always cream over epl players. Buy from outside of PL and they wont win shit. Pep barca being an  exception.

I have to go 09/10 to get an RM figure of net spend in triple digits (millions):

13-14: 60mil

12-13: 5mil

11:12: 47mil

10/11: 80mil

Its literally been a decade of spending quite optimally. 

I can understand your frustration mate. RM, Barca and to an extent Bayern  are like superpowers.  They do what they please, how they please and when they please. I agree with almost everything you have. My only point of contention is that RM were due a rebuild. A decade is a lifetime in footballing and thats how long they have been quite for in the market. Their spends are lower than arsenal in the same time period.

 

[BlueLyon 9,359]

4 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

I have to go 09/10 to get an RM figure of net spend in triple digits (millions):

13-14: 60mil

12-13: 5mil

11:12: 47mil

10/11: 80mil

Its literally been a decade of spending quite optimally. 

I can understand your frustration mate. RM, Barca and to an extent Bayern  are like superpowers.  They do what they please, how they please and when they please. I agree with almost everything you have. My only point of contention is that RM were due a rebuild. A decade is a lifetime in footballing and thats how long they have been quite for in the market. Their spends are lower than arsenal in the same time period.

 

Yes but net spend is only for ffp and balances. You still see Real and others spendnshitload of cash, including us.

Just because real managed to sell player x for 60m and buy player y for 120, it doesnt mean they spend only 60m. On paper yes, but they bought a player for 120m and they got a player for 120m, a world class player.

Pool sold Coutinho for 130?m and they bought Allison (70m) and Dijk (70m), 140m combined.

Doesnt mean they are now somehow excused because their net spent in this case was actualy 10m+. They still spend shitload and thats it. Net or not.

For the same reason I will never understand people saying we havent spent much in recent years because our net spending was very balanced. No. Thing is we still put 200m or so away on new players for couple seasons. And we did a bad business.

Net is for business perspective to keep the balances. But you still have to look at numbers that are paid for new players and its clear Real was buying heavily as do other clubs. 

Just because they will manage to sell Bale who is now considered completely useless for them for 100m (lets say), it doesnt mean they are not spending big and getting everything quality on the market just because their net spent will be lower.

When we sold Matic for 40m and bought Bakayoko for 40m, our net spent in this case was 0m. By that logic we were on the market looking for a free midfielder and got one, in reality we still spent 40m on then one of most promising DMs. Thats the net spending in a nutshell.

If we buy Drinkwater for 40m, Bakayoko for 40m and Zappacosta for 20m while selling Hazard for 110m, we make 10m profit, right? But that doesnt change the fact we spent 100m on players regardless. Therefore we are massive spenders regardless of the net surplus.

If we sold Hazard for 110 or even if we didnt; and bought someone for 20m, thats what you would consider spending rationaly and low. Regardless of the net spend.

[1905didierblue 748]

4 hours ago, BlueLyon said:

Yes but net spend is only for ffp and balances. You still see Real and others spendnshitload of cash, including us.

Just because real managed to sell player x for 60m and buy player y for 120, it doesnt mean they spend only 60m. On paper yes, but they bought a player for 120m and they got a player for 120m, a world class player.

Pool sold Coutinho for 130?m and they bought Allison (70m) and Dijk (70m), 140m combined.

Doesnt mean they are now somehow excused because their net spent in this case was actualy 10m+. They still spend shitload and thats it. Net or not.

For the same reason I will never understand people saying we havent spent much in recent years because our net spending was very balanced. No. Thing is we still put 200m or so away on new players for couple seasons. And we did a bad business.

Net is for business perspective to keep the balances. But you still have to look at numbers that are paid for new players and its clear Real was buying heavily as do other clubs. 

Just because they will manage to sell Bale who is now considered completely useless for them for 100m (lets say), it doesnt mean they are not spending big and getting everything quality on the market just because their net spent will be lower.

When we sold Matic for 40m and bought Bakayoko for 40m, our net spent in this case was 0m. By that logic we were on the market looking for a free midfielder and got one, in reality we still spent 40m on then one of most promising DMs. Thats the net spending in a nutshell.

If we buy Drinkwater for 40m, Bakayoko for 40m and Zappacosta for 20m while selling Hazard for 110m, we make 10m profit, right? But that doesnt change the fact we spent 100m on players regardless. Therefore we are massive spenders regardless of the net surplus.

If we sold Hazard for 110 or even if we didnt; and bought someone for 20m, thats what you would consider spending rationaly and low. Regardless of the net spend.

I am sorry but I can't agree with this. Net spend is a much better barometer of judging someone's spend than just actual spend. It shows that a club is losing someone of x asset and buying someone of y asset. It's not just a business perspective but also makes sense from a logical perspective. A squad contains 25 players, that's it. You keep on adding players of higher value to the ones you keep on selling, your net spend will increase and so will the quality of your squad (in most cases, not when you buy DD, baka, Zappa for 100mil). A balanced net spend means you are able to sell a player of the same quality (in general) to the player you are buying, but maybe the player you are buying is better for your squad Dynamics. 

Take the pool example you gave. Why should not I look at vvd and Allison as a 10mil net buy rather than a 140 spent. Coutinho was once the heart and soul of that pool team. Everything good that pool did used to come through him. Losing someone of that quality has to be taken into account rather than just looking at who pool bought in a vacuum. 

It's a matter of perspective. I would always look at net spend rather than just spend. But each to his own.

[MoroccanBlue 5,381]

Aside where the money came from, Liverpool had to spend massively to compete. Breaking records at the time. 

 

[Special Juan 28,141]

If Liverpool get a forward like Timo Werner they will be scary.