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I understand its utter tosh on a slow news day BUT just imagine having Neyrar tolling around for us with Eden!

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Chelsea’s Shock Move For Striker With Better Numbers Than Ronaldo

What the West London outfit really lack, however, is a striker who can keep pace with the likes of Harry Kane, Sergio Aguero, Mohamed Salah and Romelu Lukaku in the scoring charts, with Alvaro Morata and Olivier Giroud registering just once between them so far this term.

One man who appears capable of solving that problem, and who has been heavily linked with a move to Stamford Bridge in recent times, is Italian international Ciro Immobile, a centre-forward who has been scoring for fun in Serie A of late:

https://www.kickoff.co.uk/87801/chelseas-shock-move-for-striker-with-better-numbers-than-ronaldo/

 

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CIES Football Observatory Monthly Report n°37 - September 2018

Financial analysis of the transfer market in the big-5 leagues (2010-2018)

http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/mr/mr37/en/

 

1. Introduction

Since its creation in 2005, the CIES Football Observatory has been monitoring the transfer of players through information published by clubs and the media. This report analyses the paid transactions having taken place since 2010 involving teams from the five major European championships: the English Premier League, the Spanish Liga, the German Bundesliga, the Italian Serie A and the French Ligue 1.

The first chapter studies from a historical perspective the sums paid in transfer fees, while the second analyses the clubs and leagues having benefitted from these investments. The third chapter presents the financial balance sheets for both teams and leagues over the period stretching from 2010 to 2018.

The figures published in this report include fixed transfer fees, eventual add-ons, as well as sums paid in the context of paying loans. The sums involved in the case of loans with an obligation to buy are included in the figures for the year in which the agreement was concluded. Within the limits of the available information, the data on recipients take into account the resale percentages negotiated by former clubs.

2. Sums invested

For the first time since 2012, transfer fees paid out by big-5 league clubs were less than for the previous year. In 2018, a drop of 2.4% was recorded in comparison to 2017: €5.82 billion instead of €5.96. The strong increase observed during the 2018 winter transfer window did not continue through to the summer one. However, over the whole year, the amounts invested were clearly above those paid out in 2016: +€1.59 billion (+37.6%).

Throughout the period studied, the investments of Premier League clubs represented 37.4% of the total measured for the big-5 leagues. A slightly lower proportion was measured in 2018 (36.5%). Since 2010, the English top division teams have spent 1.6 times more than the Italian clubs, 2.1 times more than the Spanish, 2.8 times more than the German and 3.1 times more than the French.

 

In 2018, a new spending record was established in two leagues: the English Premier League and the Spanish Liga. In the first case, the increase was rather limited (+2.1%). In the second, the increment in comparison to 2017 was very marked (+80.4%). Thanks to a better distribution of television rights and international success, the Liga is now well-established as the second force of world football.

The rankings of clubs having invested the most in transfer fees since 2010 highlights the incredible financial power of a handful of teams. The top three comprises Manchester City, Chelsea and Barcelona. Four other teams have spent over a billion € over the eight-year period analysed. Among the heavy hitters of European football, only Real Madrid (€912 million) and Bayern Munich (€554 million) are situated below this threshold.

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much more at the link

About the CIES Football Observatory

The CIES Football Observatory is a research group within the International Centre for Sports Studies (CIES). Created in 2005 by Dr. Raffaele Poli and Dr. Loïc Ravenel, the CIES Football Observatory currently comprises a staff of four full-time permanent researchers who specialise in the statistical analysis of football. Click here for more information.

About the CIES

The International Centre for Sports Studies (CIES) is an independent study centre located in Neuchâtel, Switzerland. It was created in 1995 as a joint venture between the Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA), the University of Neuchâtel, the City and State of Neuchatel. Click here for more information. Click here for more information.

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Premier League want Government to scrap foreign star restrictions with Brexit set to stop the next N'Golo Kante coming to England

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6133395/Premier-League-want-government-scrap-foreign-star-restrictions-Brexit.html

The Premier League is becoming increasingly concerned about the impact Brexitwill have on clubs' ability to sign European players.

With just over six months remaining until the United Kingdom leaves the European Union, the English top-flight is still waiting for clarification on how it will be affected in the transfer market.

According to The Daily Telegraph, the Premier League is calling on the Government to ensure there are no restrictions placed on signing foreign players amid fears for the worldwide popularity of English football.

During talks with the Government and the Football Association, the Premier League called for football to be exempt from any new rules that limit access for European workers after Brexit.

The fear is that the current work permit restrictions on players from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) will be extended to EEA countries as well.

This means incoming players to the Premier League would have to be senior internationals or command a considerable transfer fee to be allowed to work in the UK.

While this would likely mean business as usual for the Premier League's leading clubs, it could adversely affect lesser clubs wanting to bring in European players.

Research conducted by data scientists Laurie Shaw of Harvard University and quoted by the Daily Telegraph suggests that 591 of the 1,022 signings from EEA countries made during the Premier League era would not have gained a work permit.

 

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is there any truth in this? Terry wouldnt dare do this shit to us even if he gets along well with Mou, i dont want Terry anywhere near the mancs, can anyone imagine Terry in manc red? pls God no

https://talksport.com/football/419021/john-terry-manchester-united-chelsea-jose-mourinho/amp/

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15 minutes ago, Johnnyeye said:

is there any truth in this? Terry wouldnt dare do this shit to us even if he gets along well with Mou, i dont want Terry anywhere near the mancs, can anyone imagine Terry in manc red? pls God no

https://talksport.com/football/419021/john-terry-manchester-united-chelsea-jose-mourinho/amp/

haha Can you imagine it?

For 1 JT in red would make him shrivel up and burn. For 2 Manure would never take on a 37 year old dfender. They're a bunch of twats not stupid,

No matter how much I love JT I'm afraid his days playing at the top level are over. We now need to get him home helping out here in some aspect..

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ITALIAN GIANTS TO BATTLE IT OUT FOR CHELSEA TARGET CHIESA

https://readchelsea.com/2018/09/06/italian-giants-to-battle-it-out-for-chelsea-target-chiesa/

Chelsea are reportedly interested in bringing Fiorentina forward Federico Chiesa to Stamford Bridge, according to Calciomercato.

Italian giants Napoli, Juventus and Inter Milan are also keeping tabs on the 20-year-old, with the latter reported to have made him their top transfer target for next summer.

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On 9/5/2018 at 5:56 PM, Johnnyeye said:

is there any truth in this? Terry wouldnt dare do this shit to us even if he gets along well with Mou, i dont want Terry anywhere near the mancs, can anyone imagine Terry in manc red? pls God no

https://talksport.com/football/419021/john-terry-manchester-united-chelsea-jose-mourinho/amp/

What truth? It's just some guy's opinion that JT should join United, papers are full of dumb opinions like that. Nowhere does it state that there is any remotely realistic possibility of this happening. Relax, it won't   

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5 hours ago, Vesper said:

ITALIAN GIANTS TO BATTLE IT OUT FOR CHELSEA TARGET CHIESA

https://readchelsea.com/2018/09/06/italian-giants-to-battle-it-out-for-chelsea-target-chiesa/

Chelsea are reportedly interested in bringing Fiorentina forward Federico Chiesa to Stamford Bridge, according to Calciomercato.

Italian giants Napoli, Juventus and Inter Milan are also keeping tabs on the 20-year-old, with the latter reported to have made him their top transfer target for next summer.

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I was just going to post a similar link from another site saying the same stuff

Thought you would like that as you always mention Chiesa

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42 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

I was just going to post a similar link from another site saying the same stuff

Thought you would like that as you always mention Chiesa

It's almost a tossup between Bailey and him who I would take as our new RW. Although, just like Bailey, his favourite position is an an inverted winger, in this case a LW (he is right-footed, but decent with his left as well), the opposite of Bailey, a left-footer who prefers RW, so I still would go with Bailey for our RW.

I don't think we could go wrong either way, as they are 21 (Bailey turned in August) and 20 (Chiesa turns 21 in October.) so years of peak time ahead.

Dembele as well, but he is too expensive and like I have said in the past, I do not think Barca will sell him now, as he looks to have finally adapted.

If we lose Hazard I would love to get both Bailey and Chiesa (they are both so versatile as well). Add in CHO and we have 3 massive wingers for years to come (provided CHO renews). They will be insanely expensive and hard to buy(especially as Chiesa is on fucked up Fiorentina, and Bailey just renewed for 5 years).

Here is Bailey's first Bundesliga goal of the year, playing as a RW. So far beyond what Pedro and Willian can do now, look at his pace!

 

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3 hours ago, Vesper said:

I would love to get both Bailey and Chiesa

Calm down greedy git lol Need to save some dosh for a striker too. But I hear ya.

Its a bit of a wind up kot knowing wtf Edens upto.

But like I put in his thread hes not daft, hes running the clock down so hes got more leverage I think.

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2 hours ago, Unionjack said:

Calm down greedy git lol Need to save some dosh for a striker too. But I hear ya.

 

Well, we can play the 'what if game'

Lets say we HAD sold him for £200m

Bailey £65m

Chiesa £65m

Martial £70m

net cost zero

if we can sold Willian to Barca for £65m

we could remove Martial from that list, upgrade him to Icardi (£98m)

AND have had £37m left over, WHICH IS EXACTLY what PSG paid for Thilo Kehrer

all that would be the same price we DID pay in reality

I would take a team with Icardi, Chiesa, Bailey and Kehrer and NO Hazard NO Willian over the opposite, its flat out a better team, and a FAR younger team as well. We only have, after this season, 18 more months of an under 30yo Hazard. Rooney was 31 last fall (and already shit). He is now out of European football and shilling in the shit MLS across the pond. CR7 looks to have finally hit the wall, and just a little over half a year ago, he was 32. The game isn't like it was 20, 30 or more years ago. Serie A is about the only great league where players have sometimes had or maybe will have monster season at over 32-33yo, and those are rare. Ligue 1, meh, I can't take it serious other than a hell of a place to plunder for players. The teams are overall shit.

Eden is great, but he isn't Messi or CR7 level in their prime, not even close (sorry if this enrages people, but its the truth) and Willian is simply NOT good enough now (probably never was) for Sarriball

Both he and Eden slow the game down too much with over-dribbling, especially Willian (hopefully Sarri can fix this)

Also

Sell Morata (as now you have Icardi) and you have another £55m or so to play with in January (or put towards but Kovacic, which will take at least £65m or so I fear to prise him away from RM, especially if he has a great year here, which he will, because he is the real deal, a great player stifled by RM)

 

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31 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I would take a team with Icardi, Chiesa, Bailey and Kehrer and NO Hazard NO Willian over the opposite,

Me too and I THINK we should have done it this season so all the newcommers were in the same boat all gelling together.

And for the reason below

34 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Eden is great, but he isn't Messi or CR7 level in their prime, not even close (sorry if this enrages people, but its the truth) and Willian is simply NOT good enough now (probably never was) for Sarriball

Both he and Eden slow the game down too much with over-dribbling, especially Willian (hopefully Sarri can fix this)

We ALL love to see Eden in full Dribble mode but he has to learn that theres a faster way to get thru players than running with the ball. It does slow us down and breaks the game up  I saw 2 or 3 examples of this in one of the either Sarr or Jorgi style vids where Eden doesn't pass to an open Alonso but opts to run into a busy center of the pitch.

But like all the players he too has to learn this I hope he does if he is staying. As for Willi I can only see him and Pedro being used as 1 player in a game. Whoever starts bring the other on at 60/60 mins with fresh legs. OR we try Barkles.

We should also try that with Eden bringing on CHO but I can't see Eden being happy with that.

28 minutes ago, Vesper said:

if we can sold Willian to Barca for £65m

No chance of that happening now. I'n at a loss as to why we didn't unless Sarri wasn't sure if Eden was going to jump and was worried about his cover?

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1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

 

No chance of that happening now. I'n at a loss as to why we didn't unless Sarri wasn't sure if Eden was going to jump and was worried about his cover?

Its a mystery to me, and the bloke has not rewarded us for our huge faith in him for shit so far. He has Brasilian over complication and too much flash, not even driving direct football disease

he needs to go watch some old film of

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CIES Football Observatory: Paid transfers economic check-up: Courtois best recruitment

http://www.football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2018/232/en/

The first CIES Football Observatory Weekly Post of the 2018/19 season assesses from an economic perspective paid transfers having taken place during last summer. It highlights that Thibaut Courtois went to Real Madrid for a much lower amount than the estimated fair price (-€23 M). Conversely, Chelsea FC paid over the odds to recruit his substitute: Kepa Arrizabalaga (+€45 M).

The fair price corresponds to the average between the estimated cost for the most likely buyer before the transfer and the current transfer value. Both figures were calculated using the exclusive CIES Football Observatory algorithm. The correlation between fees estimated and reported for players transferred for money from big-5 league teams during last transfer window was 75%.

Rodri Hernández, Bryan Cristante, Fabinho Tavares and Clément Lenglet are alongside Thibaut Courtois in the top five for the best operations from an engaging club perspective. For Rodri and Lenglet, the existence of a release clause helped recruiting teams to sign them at a favourable price. As for Kepa Arrizabalaga, the CIES Football Observatory analysis reveals that releasing teams negotiated very well the transfers of Riyad Mahrez, Thilo Kehrer, Yerry Mina and Alex Meret.

 

I have some disagreements here

Fabinho for the Scousers has been a bust so far, he may turn it around, but in no way is he a great buy at the price they paid.

Ludicrous 'fair price' valuation on Kepa. ZERO chance he is only worth £32m, in a market where £90m was rebuffed by AM for Oblak, and Alisson goes for £67m. They rated the Scousers paying £67m for Alisson as a GREAT buy! They are all over the place. Also they UNDERRATED how much we got arsed on Courtois. £55m fair market value is far too low.

Another GK who they ludicrously under-value (even worse that Kepa) is Alex Meret. They say fair market was £6.3m! LOLOL And that Napoli got shivved by paying £20m. He is only 21, already a superb GK, I think he might end up surplanting Donnarumma soon as the Italian national team keeper. Insane to say he is only worth 6.3m quid.

Thilo Kehrer at only £15m is another joke. Same for Cancelo at £20m, Alvaro Odriozola at only £25m and Javier Pastore at only £6.5m. Pastore only just turned 29 (so 2,3 good years left) and is already tearing up Serie A for Roma. 

At least they rated fairly 3 of my favourite targets: Rodri (the next Busquets for sure), Bryan Cristante (super young Italian MF, who, if we get arsed on Kovacic, we seriously need to look at), and Clément Lenglet (another superb young CB, with insane distribution talent who we could have had for almost £20m LESS than we offered for Rugani.

 

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EXPLAINED 

Robinho reveals how Chelsea ruined deal which led to him signing for Manchester City

https://talksport.com/football/421428/robinho-reveals-chelsea-ruined-deal-signing-manchester-city/

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We dont seem to have a thread we can post GENERAL Chelsea stuff that doesn't fit in the normal pigeonholes

So thought I'd stick this here but dont get excited I cant ever see us signing the lad now!!

Mum's word

Chelsea missed out on PSG superstar Kylian Mbappe aged 13… for this incredible reason

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/transfers/422386/chelsea-missed-out-on-psg-superstar-kylian-mbappe-aged-13-for-this-incredible-reason/

We could have had him if not for this ffs!!!

Kylian Mbappe may be an asset to both Paris Saint-Germain and France, but he could have been one for Chelsea if his Mum had allowed him a second trial there.

The 19-year-old was invited to Chelsea for a trial six years ago, where he impressed, but the Blues requested that he came back for a second trial, which did not sit well with the young star’s decision maker.

 

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8 hours ago, Unionjack said:

We dont seem to have a thread we can post GENERAL Chelsea stuff that doesn't fit in the normal pigeonholes

So thought I'd stick this here but dont get excited I cant ever see us signing the lad now!!

Mum's word

Chelsea missed out on PSG superstar Kylian Mbappe aged 13… for this incredible reason

https://www.dreamteamfc.com/c/transfers/422386/chelsea-missed-out-on-psg-superstar-kylian-mbappe-aged-13-for-this-incredible-reason/

We could have had him if not for this ffs!!!

Kylian Mbappe may be an asset to both Paris Saint-Germain and France, but he could have been one for Chelsea if his Mum had allowed him a second trial there.

The 19-year-old was invited to Chelsea for a trial six years ago, where he impressed, but the Blues requested that he came back for a second trial, which did not sit well with the young star’s decision maker.

 

Mourinho would have insisted we sell him anyway. Lol