termninja 5,290 Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 On 8/7/2016 at 2:35 PM, Unionjack said: You missed Moses and hes really impressed me both this preseason and last year. Him and Cuadrado offer us great alternatives to Eden/Willian and I might even give the RW to Cuadrado iver Willian. Hes much more direct and loves running straight at defenders putting them off balance. Hes re joined us a different player. Juve has been great for him. I just hope we now dont sell him on! Honestly I've forgotten him at the moment of writing, though he always impresses me in pre season. Hopefully he stays, but somehow I can't see it. Club will probably sell him to some mid table club for a couple of million and thank him for his great (pre season) service. I hope I'm wrong. Moses and Cuadrado are great players to have on the right wing when we need some crosses in and some old styled wing play. I hope we don't lose that. Unionjack and quickpassnmove 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 11 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Jose would have found a way to shield that back four. Just as he did the year before when winning the league by such a comfortable margin. He wanted defensive recruits but didn't get them. Even so, had he not been abandoned by the squad, he'd have produced another competitive season. Jose left in part because of his stupid behaviour over the Eva incident but mainly because our squad believed their own hype. They felt they were too good to play the Jose way even though that 'way' was designed specifically to hide their shortcomings. Oh well, they behaved as they did. The upshot of which is that the whole world now knows how useless some of them are. Well, if this is what it came down to then Jose still failed. It's a manager's job to keep his team grounded and focused. Jose failed massively in that aspect. Whatever happened, going from champions to 17th in the league when he left is utterly unacceptable. The team of players we had is certainly better than that. Your argument would have a lot more merit if we were hovering outside the CL spots under him. Even top 8. But we were 17th when he left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,072 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 6 hours ago, The Skipper said: Well, if this is what it came down to then Jose still failed. It's a manager's job to keep his team grounded and focused. Jose failed massively in that aspect. Whatever happened, going from champions to 17th in the league when he left is utterly unacceptable. The team of players we had is certainly better than that. Your argument would have a lot more merit if we were hovering outside the CL spots under him. Even top 8. But we were 17th when he left. This is why I mentioned the Eva incident. There was, I think, discernible dissatisfaction within the squad about the tactical change Jose made after the Tottenham game in January 2015. A dissatisfaction which had already manifested itself in pre-season but which was given focus, and rallying point, by Jose's behaviour during and after the opening game of the season. You are absolutely correct that it is the manager's responsibility to maintain squad morale. Jose clearly lost the group and paid, as managers must always pay, with his job. This does not however absolve The squad of its share of the blame. The title win is clear evidence that our squad is better than 17th. Had it not "betrayed our work", as Jose put it, 17th would have been out of the question. Do you believe however that any other manager could have taken that group of players to an eight point title triumph? I don't but they clearly did. I hope they realise now that they were wrong and lest anyone imagine that the title was a fluke please remember that an even weaker group of players were still title favourites three weeks from the end of the previous season. Had they managed to win all of their games from that point on, the 2014/15 victory would have been a successful title defence, not a first crown in five years. When The Beatles thought they had outgrown George Martin and produced an album without him, the outcome, Let It Be, was, I think, a good bit of work. The Beatles are The Beatles after all but when they asked Martin to return for their next LP, and agreed to allow him the control he requested, the level of control he had had previously, they created the Abbey Road masterpiece. Our lot got carried away. They thought they were the Beatles in full creative flow and demanded to be let off the leash. You only have to read the urgent pleas on this site for many of them to be discarded and replaced to realise that they are not however . In any case even the Beatles were better when they accepted guidance. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickpassnmove 924 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Daley Blind is apparently unwanted by Jose. I think he's an excellent player worth having. One of the better passers in the Prem IMO, very tactically/spacially-aware and still 26 y.o. Who would have him at Chelsea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Fong 2,776 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Daley Blind is apparently unwanted by Jose. I think he's an excellent player worth having. One of the better passers in the Prem IMO, very tactically/spacially-aware and still 26 y.o. Who would have him at Chelsea? Not me. Sorry, to me he is just another Cesc and Cesc is a better passer. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's too big 625 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, quickpassnmove said: Daley Blind is apparently unwanted by Jose. I think he's an excellent player worth having. One of the better passers in the Prem IMO, very tactically/spacially-aware and still 26 y.o. Who would have him at Chelsea? Not the board, which is most important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuudiGullit 112 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Unbelievable. Manchester United and City get their deals 'just done' where we are fighting with Everton AGAIN over one of their players even though we have offered the money they wanted...AGAIN yet they still reject everything. Same with Koulibaly. Just get it done will ya. Give that old daftcunt De Laurentiis the money he wants and sign him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 The knock on effect continues....Ashley Williams to Everton agreed for 12M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, RuudiGullit said: Unbelievable. Manchester United and City get their deals 'just done' where we are fighting with Everton AGAIN over one of their players even though we have offered the money they wanted...AGAIN yet they still reject everything. Same with Koulibaly. Just get it done will ya. Give that old daftcunt De Laurentiis the money he wants and sign him up. Everton have just got Ashley Williams so they aren't in for him anymore, and Napoli just rejected a €50m bid. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Iggy Doonican 4,186 Posted August 9, 2016 Popular Post! Share Posted August 9, 2016 In 2002-3 the season before Roman came we were so skint our transfer outlay was £500,000 on Oliveria and a free transfer in De Lucas. Since then we have spent millions upon millions on new players and had unparalleled success. Now we can no longer spend that amount of money my advice is learn to live with it. We have hopefully a new Bridge on the way which is going to cost a fortune and as someone who has been going to Stamford Bridge since 1975 I am delighted that we are staying In 2003 even with that minuscule amount spent on players we still managed to finish fourth and as Leicester have proved you don't need to flash the cash to win trophies. Man City were lucky that they were basically given a new ground by Manchester council so the infrastructure was in place when they were taken over. If we have a few lean years so be it believe me last year was fuck all to some we've had in the past. EMK, Ryan Fong, The Skipper and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood22 50 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Swansea City have agreed a club-record £15m fee for Atletico Madrid striker Borja Baston, according to Sky sources. he is 23 year old, scored 18 goals least season in the la liga and two seasons ago he scored 22 goals, why the hell we didn't bought him and sold costa? it's a great price and like that we could had extra money to bring a LB and CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, blueblood22 said: Swansea City have agreed a club-record £15m fee for Atletico Madrid striker Borja Baston, according to Sky sources. he is 23 year old, scored 18 goals least season in the la liga and two seasons ago he scored 22 goals, why the hell we didn't bought him and sold costa? it's a great price and like that we could had extra money to bring a LB and CB. Do you think Simeone would let him go if he was that good? And of all the teams in this world, he ends up at Swansea. He's clearly not good enough, especially not good enough to replace Diego Costa lol. It's like comparing Shelvey and Iniesta. Fernando and Darogba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood22 50 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said: Do you think Simeone would let him go if he was that good? And of all the teams in this world, he ends up at Swansea. He's clearly not good enough, especially not good enough to replace Diego Costa lol. It's like comparing Shelvey and Iniesta. it's been on my mind too but i thought he is on loan for 6 years and they just bought gameiro, so maybe they put a Clause buying back..and maybe this player want's firs team football and that's why he went to swansea and not to a big club to seat on the bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, petre.ispirescu said: Do you think Simeone would let him go if he was that good? And of all the teams in this world, he ends up at Swansea. He's clearly not good enough, especially not good enough to replace Diego Costa lol. It's like comparing Shelvey and Iniesta. I really dont agree with comments like this Theres many more reasons why a club sell a player on than he was just not good enough. You just need to look at our recent past to realize that mate. Essien19 and blueblood22 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King11Didier 916 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 If Conte really wants a new striker he can ask City for Bony. He is not included in their CL squad and he will leave almost 100%. He won't be a bad transfer, I'm just not sure if we need another striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 29 minutes ago, Unionjack said: I really dont agree with comments like this Theres many more reasons why a club sell a player on than he was just not good enough. You just need to look at our recent past to realize that mate. Simeone has knocked at every door this summer for a new striker. Don't you think he'd have at least taken Borja Baston for the pre-season friendlies had he rated him? Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Palace talking with Liverpool about Benteke again, sounds like it is pretty close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuudiGullit 112 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, The Skipper said: Everton have just got Ashley Williams so they aren't in for him anymore, and Napoli just rejected a €50m bid. When I mentioned Everton, I meant the Stones saga last year and now Lukaku. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3731411/Chelsea-turn-Sunderland-defender-Lamine-Kone-alternative-Napoli-s-Kalidou-Koulibaly.html The meltdown here would be unreal if we ended up signing the guy who's gonna lose his place at Sunderland to our very own Papy Djilobodji who everyone considered a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 Kone is on Merseyside now completing his medical, nout to worry about. kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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