Waterfall 893 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Well obviously what he thought about Drogba was wrong in this game, as he did the square root of fuck all throughout 90 minsLet me use the same excuse the "Torres fans" have been using for the last 11 months. He didnt get enough service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 It's more the fact that they are on the bench in the first place. When there is players like Josh on the bench who actually have a future at this club who sit there a rot instead of giving him game time baffels me. We could of easily brought on Torres in the end for Sturridge if we needed. We could of then sat drogs a bit more right where Daniel plays and got him to feed Torres because he does have great delivery.Absolutely spot on Steve! It baffles me as well about McEachran... all that hype of him being the next thing, and all he seems to be doing is warming a bench... he needs to be playing more games than he is... we just seem to be playing our old guard week in week out, and sometimes to have to sit back and wonder.... how long are they going to keep this up. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink said something very interesting at the beginning of the season when talking about us bringing in fresh players and getting rid of the old guard... "How long is Drogba going to be able to do this.... how long is Frank Lampard going to be able to do this" he said!Josh needs games... he is rotting on the subs bench and it's sickening me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lecter 84 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 People who are arguing that AVB might be worried about Studge and Mata being burned out before the Spuds game are just blindly supporting the man! If he really had considered the burning out as a criterion, he would have rested Ash (who played every single match till date in the season, btw) and Drogs beforehand! And its not like we were sitting in a very comfortable position at the stage they were subbed off and a rest of 25-30 mins would anyways not do them much good for a match that is 5 days away! I think its more to do with tactics. I somehow understand the point in bringing on Kalou, but Danny and Mata?!! He is not to be blamed for the result, just the performance. There was no drive, whatsoever, in the players. It was as if the win against Man City was so good a result that bought them enough time to be complacent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Well obviously what he thought about Drogba was wrong in this game, as he did the square root of fuck all throughout 90 minsAnd Fernando " I might actually score this time!" Torres would have done better? Given how little service Drogba (a striker who actually looks to get on the ball and create) got, imagine just how entirely ineffective Torres would have been today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 It's more the fact that they are on the bench in the first place. When there is players like Josh on the bench who actually have a future at this club who sit there a rot instead of giving him game time baffels me. We could of easily brought on Torres in the end for Sturridge if we needed. We could of then sat drogs a bit more right where Daniel plays and got him to feed Torres because he does have great delivery.I share you disgruntle about they being on the bench, and we can only hope this will correct come the next 2 windows (they really must!). I would also agree that André could have brought on McEachran instead of Mikel. In the case of Torres, I do defend his decision not to bring him on. While I always do have an eyebrow raised when Torres isn't used, I also understand why. Villas-Boas sees the level of effort Torres shows in training and will make his decision based on this. I'm sure he has no malice involved in this.. But I too would like to see a Drogba & Torres combination tried, understanding why maybe he may not want to.@RZA, I like you, but in this case you are trying to say VB did not made mistakes and he was right in this decisions. Thats not helping.We are going to play against Spurs away ? Who cares ? Its also a win, 3 points. So we play poor against Wigan, get 1 point to be good enough to play against Spurs and try to get 3 points. Thats make any sense ?I dont think so. Drogba is 33 years old, played 3 tough games...why not refresh him and play Torres ? Thats was only VB saying: I'm the boss, I dont care about big names. If he wanted to refresh the squad its more easy to play different players than asking the starting XI to play only 40% of their potential, as you are suggesting.Okay, I will give you the part about Torres playing instead of Drogba. However factor in the form of Drogba & Torres individually. Torres is, perhaps, not showing the level of effort than André would like to see which is why he has no choice but to keep using Didier. I'm sure he would want better options, but it's something beyond his control.Regarding your second point about the points. Yes, this is true, 3 points should be sought out no matter who the opponent. But again, he's trying to utilise his resources, which unfortuantely do include Kalou & Malouda.. They should have the impetus to play well against Wigan.0/10If players were tiredWhy did Drogba start ahead of TorresWhy did Cole start ahead of BertrandWhy did Meireles start ahead of JoshWhy did bosingwa start over luizBecause Torres' state is not good.I agree about Cole, and I do have different opinions to André regarding this.McEachran's not ready. Not this might annoy you, but this is what I believe to be André feelings. Why can't we accept this?Luiz is injured, you know this.Or.... he simply thinks that Drogba would have a greater impact on the game than Torres, an opinion which would be justified given Fernando's bout of invisibility since joining Chelsea.Yes, this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 And Fernando " I might actually score this time!" Torres would have done better? Given how little service Drogba (a striker who actually looks to get on the ball and create) got, imagine just how entirely ineffective Torres would have been today.People still believe Torres will magically be good again in one game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmin 2,484 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Let me use the same excuse the "Torres fans" have been using for the last 11 months. He didnt get enough service!Let's not start that discussion here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 People still believe Torres will magically be good again in one gameWho knows, maybe he might be the subject of a minor miracle and burst into life but I really doubt it and given how poor our midfield was today and that Wigan were playing with a very deep 5 man backline this was exactly the kind of game that Chelsea's version of Torres would have been absolutely redundant in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson 358 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 FUCKING DISGRACEFUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Lose 2 points due to an individual error.Blame coach.Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Lose 2 points due to an individual error.Blame coach.Get a grip.Spot on. Though while Cech must take the majority of the blame for the goal, the team were lifeless and that is down to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hd123 5 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Who cares if Drogba is in good form? He has played roughly 500mins if not more over the last month. We had two tough games before this. We also had a striker who needed a game, and Wigan were the perfect opponent. We also needed to rest him for the Spurs game. He's not 25 you knowYes, he got no service today, but he should have never started in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloody 209 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Lose 2 points due to an individual error.Blame coach.Get a grip.blame coach and the player(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hd123 5 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Lose 2 points due to an individual error.Blame coach.Get a grip.Don't you know that 1 goal advantage is not good enough?Do you not know the pressure that mounts on the defending team? We could have won this game before the 80th minute, but alas the tactical substitutions were wank, and so we are left with 1 point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 And Fernando " I might actually score this time!" Torres would have done better? Given how little service Drogba (a striker who actually looks to get on the ball and create) got, imagine just how entirely ineffective Torres would have been today.So what you're saying is, even if Drogba is having a poor game, we might as well keep him on because Torres is not going to do much better.I do not agree with that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Lose 2 points due to an individual error.Blame coach.Get a grip.Oh I forgot we played nice the whole game, what a shame...that Cech mistake.I'm assuming you did not watched the game.Come with better arguments next time. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chealsist 23 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 why Fernando Torres was not played tonight ? can tell me someone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterfall 893 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 So what you're saying is, even if Drogba is having a poor game, we might as well keep him on because Torres is not going to do much better.I do not agree with that at all.I actually do. If we had unlimited number of substitutions available, it would have made sense to bring on Torres. But why use one of three available to replace a striker for another striker - the one that's been struggling for last 12 months at that - when the midfield's not been creating anything for the CF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostas 1,468 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Do you not know the pressure that mounts on the defending team?Do you not know that succumbing to pressure in this manner is absolutely unacceptable?Oh I forgot we played nice the whole game, what a shame...that Cech mistake.I'm assuming you did not watched the game.Come with better arguments next time. Thanks.Are we arguing the performance or the two points lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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