Gary Speed

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 27/11/2011 at 16:43, warnie_666 said:

Thats true...but dont expect me to have sympathy for people who commit suicide specially ones who have a family....

Perhaps it's not as simple as waking up and thinking "let me end my life today". Depression or mental illness is harder than you may appreciate it to be. It doesn't mean they don't care about the effects on their family & friends. It means it's too great for them to control.

It is unfair not to express sympathies, when the circumstances are so unclear. Sympathies should be paid out of respect in any case.

[warnie_666 1,081]

  On 27/11/2011 at 16:45, RZA said:

Perhaps it's not as simple as waking up and thinking "let me end my life today". Depression or mental illness is harder than you may appreciate it to be. It doesn't mean they don't care about the effects on their family & friends. It means it's too great for them to control.

It is unfair not to express sympathies, when the circumstances are so unclear. Sympathies should be paid out of respect in any case.

Tell me about it. I have had people around me who have been through severe depression, and have fought their way out of it. Like in the other thread, I said, these are fighters as opposed to the weak people who just give in and choose the easy way out.

How do you know it is not as simple as waking up and thinking "let me end my life today"? Most of the time it is moment of madness. If only at that moment had they decided to fight on for a day more......

I know few families who have had a member committing a suicide.....their moms or wives have never been the same...And therefore I have no sympathy to the ones who take their own lives cus they dont care what they are putting their families through..

[Kieran. 6,317]

  On 27/11/2011 at 16:57, warnie_666 said:

Tell me about it. I have had people around me who have been through severe depression, and have fought their way out of it. Like in the other thread, I said, these are fighters as opposed to the weak people who just give in and choose the easy way out.

How do you know it is not as simple as waking up and thinking "let me end my life today"? Most of the time it is moment of madness. If only at that moment had they decided to fight on for a day more......

I know few families who have had a member committing a suicide.....their moms or wives have never been the same...And therefore I have no sympathy to the ones who take their own lives cus they dont care what they are putting their families through..

I've had depression and know what it's like, so PLEASE stop spouting your ignorance here. It's much harder than you're making it out to be.

RIP Gary Speed. A real tragedy. I just watched our title clinching game from 2005, Gary Speed was the captain of Bolton then.

[warnie_666 1,081]

  On 27/11/2011 at 17:10, KieranVogel said:

I've had depression and know what it's like, so PLEASE stop spouting your ignorance here. It's much harder than you're making it out to be.

RIP Gary Speed. A real tragedy. I just watched our title clinching game from 2005, Gary Speed was the captain of Bolton then.

Dont tell me what to spout and what not to. Did you have a suicide in your family? Did you lose your best friend who has never been the same cus his dad took his life when we were 10?

Ive been through depression too...may not be a severe one. But people close to me have been through severe depression. They have been on pills, have visited therapists. And they have fought their way out of it.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

One of those moments un life when you gasp at news. A player i always respected for his prowess as well as his longevity. Rip speedy, a real,pro

[Kieran. 6,317]

  On 27/11/2011 at 17:16, warnie_666 said:

Dont tell me what to spout and what not to. Did you have a suicide in your family? Did you lose your best friend who has never been the same cus his dad took his life when we were 10?

Ive been through depression too...may not be a severe one. But people close to me have been through severe depression. They have been on pills, have visited therapists. And they have fought their way out of it.

I've had more than one suicide in my family. I understand what you're saying, but you'll never know what was going through Gary's head. He was so messed up he ENDED HIS OWN LIFE. You can't feel worse than that.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

  On 27/11/2011 at 16:57, warnie_666 said:

Tell me about it. I have had people around me who have been through severe depression, and have fought their way out of it. Like in the other thread, I said, these are fighters as opposed to the weak people who just give in and choose the easy way out.

How do you know it is not as simple as waking up and thinking "let me end my life today"? Most of the time it is moment of madness. If only at that moment had they decided to fight on for a day more......

I know few families who have had a member committing a suicide.....their moms or wives have never been the same...And therefore I have no sympathy to the ones who take their own lives cus they dont care what they are putting their families through..

I used to feel the same as you until a member of my extended family did it. You cannot possibly try to rationale with the workings of the depressed mind. It's all to easy to say its the weak way out but when you see a strong confident person who is 100% family attempt to take there life because they are in the darkest place they have ever been you soon realise how little choice you have in the matter. Don't be under the illusion that you have rational choice

[LDN Blue 7,903]

  On 27/11/2011 at 16:57, warnie_666 said:

Tell me about it. I have had people around me who have been through severe depression, and have fought their way out of it. Like in the other thread, I said, these are fighters as opposed to the weak people who just give in and choose the easy way out.

How do you know it is not as simple as waking up and thinking "let me end my life today"? Most of the time it is moment of madness. If only at that moment had they decided to fight on for a day more......

I know few families who have had a member committing a suicide.....their moms or wives have never been the same...And therefore I have no sympathy to the ones who take their own lives cus they dont care what they are putting their families through..

Please stop there.

I am a family where there's been a suicide. I maintain sympathy for them.. I respect their decision. It is not 'easy' as you say. It's hard to explain this, because I can see how you feel about this. I just hope you don't have to be in a position where you do start to understand, from your own experiences.

[Kez 2,727]

Lets not turn this thread into another suicide debate. Warnie I think your comments are best kept to yourself. Insensitive.

[Laylabelle 9,444]

So ad hearing the whole 'I spoke to him yesterday he was fine bits'..Never really can tell whats going through someones head and faking a smile is easy...

So sad and symphty for his wife and kids

RIP

[Badboy 1,526]

This really shocked me when i heard it, i feel so sad when people commit suicide because you have to wonder what they were going through to come to that decision.

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

  On 27/11/2011 at 18:30, Ultra Blue said:

This really shocked me when i heard it, i feel so sad when people commit suicide because you have to wonder what they were going through to come to that decision.

hopefully we will never know

[ulsterchelsea 3,221]

  On 27/11/2011 at 17:55, Kez said:

Lets not turn this thread into another suicide debate. Warnie I think your comments are best kept to yourself. Insensitive.

in fairness I don't think hes insensitive its just an easy assumption to cone to. As I say if not for circumstance/1st hand experience I'd still be thinking the same. I pray he never has to see the hurt it causes to families when it happens because it changes your perspective for life.

[francozola 2,040]

Shouldn't judge other people because we never know what they're really going through. Each person has different strengths and weaknesses some can cope better and some can't. No reason to call them out because we have not been in their shoes and do not have any right to do so.

[HRiver 1,512]

RIP. It's terrible to hear such sad news, he was young and it's a shame he had to die in such a way.

I personally am rather depressed and I have not even once thought about suicide whatsoever, although I don't care even if I die. But I wonder how depressed and sad he must have been to do it. Probably it reached the highest point and he could not take it anymore. But my thoughts go out to his family and friends who right now are probably feeling even worse than he was.

[dave30 728]

Touching from the Swansea faithful

http://news.bbc.co.u...ll/15910765.stm

[Steve 10,227]

I am still in shock and sadness after hearing about this news last night. I do not know what to say... I have been in that situation myself and decided to fight on but that doesn't take away the fact that i thought about it... Besides my close friends and family no one knew of my depression because i would hide it and i guess that is what Gary was doing. I feel for his family and friends but lets hope he is in a better place now.

Rest in peace Gary!

[Amblève. 4,995]

R.I.P. Gary Speed

And my biggest respect for Shay Given, there's not a lot of players who have the guts to cry on the pitch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hMsNRMIHZQ