Juan Mata

[The_Flash 1,144]

This is still a bit surreal isn't it?

Completely

[The_Flash 1,144]

Hilarious finally some has a sense of humour

[Barbara 15,149]

It was a joke Bárbara! Oh I understand. In that case, I agree with everything you previously said.

I thought it was a joke, but I still can't understand it (but I want to, hahahaha).

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There aren't classier acts than Juan Mata in the world of football. I think for his frustration taking over when he was subbed off against Southampton is because things were already in a level that was unsustainable. We should keep in mind that's a human being with feelings just like us. He felt hurt, he felt he wasn't good enough (for the system, which is true, but also painful). I think he was taken by surprise by how things went. There's the part where we coldly analyze the facts, but we should also remember how difficult it must have been for him to be in such a position and he's acted like the gentleman he is through all this - except in the Southampton gate, that everyone here knows how I feel and even then I understand it was just too much for him to handle. So while I think he misbehaved, I think it was because he's reached his limit.

The press will be pushing for the reaction they've got from some of us simply because Mata's good boy reputation doesn't sell as much as mercenary, traitor, weak Mata sells. It's very simple and it's a shame some people bait it. I've seen few players show as much respect for their former club as Mata did through all of this. When I say I'm inclined to think he's left because he realized the battle was bigger than he's first assessed I don't blame him because although I said in this thread many times I wanted to give him more time to adapt, I'm also inclined to think no matter how hard he's tried, he wouldn't outplay the competition for the position in the aspects Mourinho considers important. Yes, he may have given up, but we need to put things in context. How much of a chance he's had to start with? Very little imo and that's why I'm not offended, hurt (can't even find a word that would describe what I was entitled to feel, as I think any professional player should make the decisions that work better for their career without being criticized and scrutinized for it, that I in reality ain't entitled to have a say at all, just feelings).

He did what was best for him and let's not pretend any of us wouldn't do the same. I'm positive the last thing he took into account was the money because it was very clear for me through all his time here he didn't mind being paid much less than many other players we had. I think it was just a big deception for him to become a squad player and when he's realized he had enough and when Mourinho realized he was hurting as much, they both agreed easily to let him go. I really believe it when he says he was surprised the club let him go easily. In all seriously, I got teared up when I read it because I think he must have felt unappreciated by 'the power to be'. I think he understands why Mourinho wouldn't be a bump, but I think he was deeply hurt the board seemed so willing to let him go without even requesting more money. Again, that's a human being with feelings, and from afar I'd say he's a very sensitive person, so it must be even worse for him.

Another thing I suppose must have hurt him is that the fans aren't that vocal about his departure in general. Yes, there's a lot of buzz from internet fans, I'm sure he's read some comments around on his blog, and probably other places, but I felt the fans that went to the Bridge were dismissive or to say the least unattached with very few manifestations of discontentment. Sadness yeah - even though I saw only one sign - but it seemed like most part of the fans are behind Mourinho (and that's the wise thing to do imo because we're proving to be better now than we were in those past two years). It must hurt him a bit too.

I'm always harsh on Mata - but that is looking in a team POV. I think he's a fantastic player, that would be competing for Balon d'Or a decade ago, but not now because of the way the sport's changed in the last five years. But more than a fantastic player, that's one of the most beautiful human beings I've see in the world of football and he let it show. So when I say Oscar works better, when I say Mata exposes(d) us, when I say he can only compete and give stats such as last season if the whole system is built around him, that's me analyzing coldly what's best for the team and I tend to be cold a lot of times. But he has my respect, my love and my admiration for his skills as a player, but even more as a person. I really think he deserved more than a United in shambles managed by a guy that is completely clueless. It has nothing to do with them being our rivals. Actually in a cold perspective it's better to sell him to a manager like Moyes who doesn't know what to do with him, rather than a manager - even from another league - that could use him as a lethal weapon against us. Not sure if I could express it, but I think he's going to have less impact at United - because the team is currently still weak and because they have a dinosaur managing it - than he would have in other teams around Europe that have better structure to make him shine. That's why I think he deserved better. Does it leave a bitter taste in my mouth to know he's going to a club I absolutely hate? Yes, it does and if I was more attached to him in a personal level, I would be disgusted as many of you are. But business wise and being very cold about it, we sold him to the one team I think won't make us regret this decision and I won't be surprised if when both Rooney and Robin are back if he won't be deployed in the wing again. I'm not sure Moyes will be stupid enough to move the one player that assured they're where they are right now and not even worse. Rooney's been saving United ass from the beginning and even if Moyes wants to move him around, I think the powerful people inside the club - including Fergie - will stop him from doing it. The first name to play behind the striker in United right should be Rooney (if he isn't the striker himself) and that may detract Mata's chances even more. Another reason for me to think he deserved better.

[The Mak 4,459]

I was merely mirroring your ignorance, you obviously purposely looked at older posts of mine to see that I also support Rangers which I have only mentioned a few times to then make a stupid remark to tell me to go a Rangers forum because of tribalism, what rubbish.

Not really rubbish. Just pointing out that it's no coincidence that it's the Rangers fan who brings a 'us and them' tribalistic attitude to the forum:

He chose them over us, that's a fact.

(Psssst, he actually chose playing football before a WC, instead of not playing football before a WC.)

Come on chances are if you had to pick you would pick Celtic.

Both are as bad as each other and the fact that you're not getting it or don't believe me is just proving my point.

It's really to late to get into more nonsense, you don't like my posts too bad don't read them

Again, if you don't like Mata, the logical thing would be to not post in his thread...

[Amblève. 4,995]

Don't be so bloody rude, it totally unneeded, it's my opinion, you disagree don't read it, ignore me whatever but I can't post in as many times as I wish. I'm not going to browbeaten to your way of thinking.

No, it's not rude. It's the only language you understand as you have been resistent to any rational reply you received to your insane posts about Mata.

[sk21 11]

No. Mata knew he had to improve (he has always said he can still improve), especially after Mourinho made the point about his lack of defending, and he did. You can see in the subsequent games that he tracked back, worked his socks off and tried to adapt to the way Mourinho wanted but the issue was, it was never quite enough for Jose's liking - hence why he was subbed off countless of times - even when he is doing well. Mata simply suffered because he doesn't have that same level of athleticism like Oscar or Willian that Mourinho wants from the players.

.. i cant tell now if youre trolling or not. youre telling me that it wasnt about being good enough; and then you tell me that he simply wasnt good enough?

i dont want to start a war or anything here but cmon dude..

[Rmpr 8,977]

I thought it was a joke, but I still can't understand it (but I want to, hahahaha).

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There aren't classier acts than Juan Mata in the world of football. I think for his frustration taking over when he was subbed off against Southampton is because things were already in a level that was unsustainable. We should keep in mind that's a human being with feelings just like us. He felt hurt, he felt he wasn't good enough (for the system, which is true, but also painful). I think he was taken by surprise by how things went. There's the part where we coldly analyze the facts, but we should also remember how difficult it must have been for him to be in such a position and he's acted like the gentleman he is through all this - except in the Southampton gate, that everyone here knows how I feel and even then I understand it was just too much for him to handle. So while I think he misbehaved, I think it was because he's reached his limit.

The press will be pushing for the reaction they've got from some of us simply because Mata's good boy reputation doesn't sell as much as mercenary, traitor, weak Mata sells. It's very simple and it's a shame some people bait it. I've seen few players show as much respect for their former club as Mata did through all of this. When I say I'm inclined to think he's left because he realized the battle was bigger than he's first assessed I don't blame him because although I said in this thread many times I wanted to give him more time to adapt, I'm also inclined to think no matter how hard he's tried, he wouldn't outplay the competition for the position in the aspects Mourinho considers important. Yes, he may have given up, but we need to put things in context. How much of a chance he's had to start with? Very little imo and that's why I'm not offended, hurt (can't even find a word that would describe what I was entitled to feel, as I think any professional player should make the decisions that work better for their career without being criticized and scrutinized for it, that I in reality ain't entitled to have a say at all, just feelings).

He did what was best for him and let's not pretend any of us wouldn't do the same. I'm positive the last thing he took into account was the money because it was very clear for me through all his time here he didn't mind being paid much less than many other players we had. I think it was just a big deception for him to become a squad player and when he's realized he had enough and when Mourinho realized he was hurting as much, they both agreed easily to let him go. I really believe it when he says he was surprised the club let him go easily. In all seriously, I got teared up when I read it because I think he must have felt unappreciated by 'the power to be'. I think he understands why Mourinho wouldn't be a bump, but I think he was deeply hurt the board seemed so willing to let him go without even requesting more money. Again, that's a human being with feelings, and from afar I'd say he's a very sensitive person, so it must be even worse for him.

Another thing I suppose must have hurt him is that the fans aren't that vocal about his departure in general. Yes, there's a lot of buzz from internet fans, I'm sure he's read some comments around on his blog, and probably other places, but I felt the fans that went to the Bridge were dismissive or to say the least unattached with very few manifestations of discontentment. Sadness yeah - even though I saw only one sign - but it seemed like most part of the fans are behind Mourinho (and that's the wise thing to do imo because we're proving to be better now than we were in those past two years). It must hurt him a bit too.

I'm always harsh on Mata - but that is looking in a team POV. I think he's a fantastic player, that would be competing for Balon d'Or a decade ago, but not now because of the way the sport's changed in the last five years. But more than a fantastic player, that's one of the most beautiful human beings I've see in the world of football and he let it show. So when I say Oscar works better, when I say Mata exposes(d) us, when I say he can only compete and give stats such as last season if the whole system is built around him, that's me analyzing coldly what's best for the team and I tend to be cold a lot of times. But he has my respect, my love and my admiration for his skills as a player, but even more as a person. I really think he deserved more than a United in shambles managed by a guy that is completely clueless. It has nothing to do with them being our rivals. Actually in a cold perspective it's better to sell him to a manager like Moyes who doesn't know what to do with him, rather than a manager - even from another league - that could use him as a lethal weapon against us. Not sure if I could express it, but I think he's going to have less impact at United - because the team is currently still weak and because they have a dinosaur managing it - than he would have in other teams around Europe that have better structure to make him shine. That's why I think he deserved better. Does it leave a bitter taste in my mouth to know he's going to a club I absolutely hate? Yes, it does and if I was more attached to him in a personal level, I would be disgusted as many of you are. But business wise and being very cold about it, we sold him to the one team I think won't make us regret this decision and I won't be surprised if when both Rooney and Robin are back if he won't be deployed in the wing again. I'm not sure Moyes will be stupid enough to move the one player that assured they're where they are right now and not even worse. Rooney's been saving United ass from the beginning and even if Moyes wants to move him around, I think the powerful people inside the club - including Fergie - will stop him from doing it. The first name to play behind the striker in United right should be Rooney (if he isn't the striker himself) and that may detract Mata's chances even more. Another reason for me to think he deserved better.

Exactly Barbara, you couldnt be more right!

And yet, we have to read people telling him to fuck off because he "chose them instead of us"...

[Las7 951]

Mata helped us on our way winning the biggest Trophy in Club Football that had eluded us a long time.

He was integral in our win over Liverpool in the FA Cup providing one of the assists.

Both assists in the Final against Benfica in the Europa League last season.

He was voted as Player of the Season twice in a row and it was deserved.

He has given this club plenty - he is a World Class player; a manager might feel that he needs to prove himself but that doesn't mean he needs to prove himself to the fans.

It's going to be painful to see him in a red kit, but he remains a very likeable player who I will miss and not put down just because things didn't work out for him here.

Do I think it would have been better for us as a club to keep him until we get someone outside of the EPL to sign him - surely.

The club didn't feel the same way and sold him to United.

Mata you're a Legend - I feel sad that you could not remain here but I won't hold it against you

[The_Flash 1,144]

Not really rubbish. Just pointing out that it's no coincidence that it's the Rangers fan who brings a 'us and them' tribalistic attitude to the forum:

(Psssst, he actually chose playing football before a WC, instead of not playing football before a WC.)

Both are as bad as each other and the fact that you're not getting it or don't believe me is just proving my point.

Again, if you don't like Mata, the logical thing would be not to post in his thread...

Actually read my posts, I don't dislike him, I was a big fan of his but I have been very disappointed by him through this.

Even when he was playing for us he didn't get pick for Spain, I don't think going to Utd is going to help.

Please don't be so rude and ignorant to say such things about me as a Rangers fan it was totally unnecessary for you to bring that into a discussion about Mata?? Totally irrelevant to the matter please you don't like me fine but don't be down right rude about people I know and like who you clearly don't know and as you said don't care about.

No, it's not rude. It's the only language you understand as you have been resistent to any rational reply you received to your insane posts about Mata.

Just because I disagree with you that doesn't mean I don't understand or insane as you put it I fully do but i disagree with you and that is my opinion. You have yours end of.

[The Mak 4,459]

Actually read my posts, I don't dislike him, I was a big fan of his but I have been very disappointed by him through this.

Even when he was playing for us he didn't get pick for Spain, I don't think going to Utd is going to help.

Please don't be so rude and ignorant to say such things about me as a Rangers fan it was totally unnecessary for you to bring that into a discussion about Mata?? Totally irrelevant to the matter please you don't like me fine but don't be down right rude about people I know and like who you clearly don't know and as you said don't care about.

Well from my standpoint you're the one being ignorant because you're boiling everything about Mata down to a very primal level. You're speaking about a human being with emotions and feelings at the end of the day, but you talk as if these decisions are as easy as pressing a button on FIFA...

Clearly don't know? Why would I speak on a topic I don't know? My sister has a house in Glasgow. I know enough - thanks very much.

[Amblève. 4,995]

Just because I disagree with you that doesn't mean I don't understand or insane as you put it I fully do but i disagree with you and that is my opinion. You have yours end of.

The thing is (and that's what you don't understand) that your "opinion" makes no sense or whatsoever. You've been given countless of counter-arguments and yet, I'm still waiting to see anything other than a "It's my opinion, if you don't agree blah blah blah" post of yours. And I'm not just talking about this whole Mata discussion, it's the same fucking thing every time you get involved in a discussion.

[Jase 43,479]

.. i cant tell now if youre trolling or not. youre telling me that it wasnt about being good enough; and then you tell me that he simply wasnt good enough?

i dont want to start a war or anything here but cmon dude..

Which part of that post made you think I was trolling? Didn't even cross my mind.

My point is that he is good enough. He can improve on all those aspects of his game to fit into Mourinho's plan but it just won't be THAT enough for his liking. To use Mourinho's eggs remark in relation to his system, Mata is basically a grade B egg while Hazard, Oscar, Willian etc are the grade A eggs and these eggs are to Jose's liking while the rest, not so much.

[Jase 43,479]

I thought it was a joke, but I still can't understand it (but I want to, hahahaha).

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There aren't classier acts than Juan Mata in the world of football. I think for his frustration taking over when he was subbed off against Southampton is because things were already in a level that was unsustainable. We should keep in mind that's a human being with feelings just like us. He felt hurt, he felt he wasn't good enough (for the system, which is true, but also painful). I think he was taken by surprise by how things went. There's the part where we coldly analyze the facts, but we should also remember how difficult it must have been for him to be in such a position and he's acted like the gentleman he is through all this - except in the Southampton gate, that everyone here knows how I feel and even then I understand it was just too much for him to handle. So while I think he misbehaved, I think it was because he's reached his limit.

The press will be pushing for the reaction they've got from some of us simply because Mata's good boy reputation doesn't sell as much as mercenary, traitor, weak Mata sells. It's very simple and it's a shame some people bait it. I've seen few players show as much respect for their former club as Mata did through all of this. When I say I'm inclined to think he's left because he realized the battle was bigger than he's first assessed I don't blame him because although I said in this thread many times I wanted to give him more time to adapt, I'm also inclined to think no matter how hard he's tried, he wouldn't outplay the competition for the position in the aspects Mourinho considers important. Yes, he may have given up, but we need to put things in context. How much of a chance he's had to start with? Very little imo and that's why I'm not offended, hurt (can't even find a word that would describe what I was entitled to feel, as I think any professional player should make the decisions that work better for their career without being criticized and scrutinized for it, that I in reality ain't entitled to have a say at all, just feelings).

He did what was best for him and let's not pretend any of us wouldn't do the same. I'm positive the last thing he took into account was the money because it was very clear for me through all his time here he didn't mind being paid much less than many other players we had. I think it was just a big deception for him to become a squad player and when he's realized he had enough and when Mourinho realized he was hurting as much, they both agreed easily to let him go. I really believe it when he says he was surprised the club let him go easily. In all seriously, I got teared up when I read it because I think he must have felt unappreciated by 'the power to be'. I think he understands why Mourinho wouldn't be a bump, but I think he was deeply hurt the board seemed so willing to let him go without even requesting more money. Again, that's a human being with feelings, and from afar I'd say he's a very sensitive person, so it must be even worse for him.

Another thing I suppose must have hurt him is that the fans aren't that vocal about his departure in general. Yes, there's a lot of buzz from internet fans, I'm sure he's read some comments around on his blog, and probably other places, but I felt the fans that went to the Bridge were dismissive or to say the least unattached with very few manifestations of discontentment. Sadness yeah - even though I saw only one sign - but it seemed like most part of the fans are behind Mourinho (and that's the wise thing to do imo because we're proving to be better now than we were in those past two years). It must hurt him a bit too.

I'm always harsh on Mata - but that is looking in a team POV. I think he's a fantastic player, that would be competing for Balon d'Or a decade ago, but not now because of the way the sport's changed in the last five years. But more than a fantastic player, that's one of the most beautiful human beings I've see in the world of football and he let it show. So when I say Oscar works better, when I say Mata exposes(d) us, when I say he can only compete and give stats such as last season if the whole system is built around him, that's me analyzing coldly what's best for the team and I tend to be cold a lot of times. But he has my respect, my love and my admiration for his skills as a player, but even more as a person. I really think he deserved more than a United in shambles managed by a guy that is completely clueless. It has nothing to do with them being our rivals. Actually in a cold perspective it's better to sell him to a manager like Moyes who doesn't know what to do with him, rather than a manager - even from another league - that could use him as a lethal weapon against us. Not sure if I could express it, but I think he's going to have less impact at United - because the team is currently still weak and because they have a dinosaur managing it - than he would have in other teams around Europe that have better structure to make him shine. That's why I think he deserved better. Does it leave a bitter taste in my mouth to know he's going to a club I absolutely hate? Yes, it does and if I was more attached to him in a personal level, I would be disgusted as many of you are. But business wise and being very cold about it, we sold him to the one team I think won't make us regret this decision and I won't be surprised if when both Rooney and Robin are back if he won't be deployed in the wing again. I'm not sure Moyes will be stupid enough to move the one player that assured they're where they are right now and not even worse. Rooney's been saving United ass from the beginning and even if Moyes wants to move him around, I think the powerful people inside the club - including Fergie - will stop him from doing it. The first name to play behind the striker in United right should be Rooney (if he isn't the striker himself) and that may detract Mata's chances even more. Another reason for me to think he deserved better.

Why did I tell you? Another post in the form of an essay.

[Warning_Hazard 156]

ive met juan a few times in person - really cool guy - my heart sank when the news got about tbh.

Probably one of the best players ability wise we've had, Also very level headed and the type to stay in the headlines for the right reasons.

Juan Mata was the epitome of a modern day footballer.

My main gripe with the sale is A) Why cant a tactical master like moe use a 40M player and B Why man utd?

- In 6months time Juan mata would of still been roughly worth the same amount - he wont get many games at the wc so its not like that could have much effect...

I have a feeling the story is actually much more important than a lot think - Shame we will probably never know the real reasons.

All you can do is thank the guy tbh.

Excellent signing, Excellent man, Absolutely dire to see him in red maybe as soon as tomoz!!

oh the dread

[The_Flash 1,144]

I can't even be bothered to quote you both your rambling on and it's so tedious. Your sister lives in glasgow so she must be an expert on matters, lol, I don't even know what to say to that, lol, very interesting, lol

Tedious guys, moving on. I'm going to ignore this rude nonsense.

I hope Mata finds whatever he was looking for it, it won't be the title

Funny article

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/23/think-again-juan-best-or-worst-mata-wind-up-jokes-as-manchester-united-fail-to-make-capital-one-cup-final-4274124/

[silviupastean 135]

as much as I would want, I can't simply hate the guy. will follow his career wherever he goes

[Juguard 4]

My first post, but want to say that I'm just very sad that Juan left us. Hope he has a good game tomorrow. Hope he will keep Chelsea in his heart.

[The_Flash 1,144]

I would love Cardiff to beat Utd be great for Ole