Juan Mata

[haranr 485]

How stupid are we?!?! seriously?!?!

[Term-X 7,891]

Roman has given Jose the same power as Ferguson had at United..

Let that sink in for a moment, we're finally a proper football club.

[The only place to be 11,313]

TBF it's easy to see where cholou is coming from. Mata is too good to sit on the bench and he will likely never regain his status as a regular starter under jose. There's no point keeping a "40 million bench warmer" (hurts badly to say/type that) on the books.

Blimey. We got there eventually.

Think about it this way, we were worried how patient Roman would be with Jose this time around, well.. this is the ULTIMATE vote of confidence.

Fantastic point. Mourinho is the boss. He's the one we're trusting to lead us for the next decade or more (ideally) whereas Mata is just one player. He's a fabulous player and he's given us some great memories, but he's one player.

And here's the thing....We've already replaced him with Willian.

Our first XI looks no different if we sell Mata or keep him. The big difference is £40 million more to spend on transfers. We could buy Shaw and our team is better. We could buy Zouma and our team is potentially stronger down the line. We could maybe even buy a striker and our team is better.

And yes we lose some squad depth but we're talking about 2 injuries having to happen to the group of Hazard, Oscar, Willian and Schurrle. EVEN IF that happens we could still go to a 433 with 2 of them playing on the wings and 3 in the middle as we have done already this season.

The sticking point seems to be selling Mata to United and it does trouble me, but they need more than just him. They'll still be managed by Moyes who seems remarkably one dimensional and in Rooney they already have a number 10 who is rather productive this season. To me they still need that CM and maybe even a CB or two (and a left-back - if it's Shaw we could actually use the funds to get him in now).

It's a divisive transfer but the club deserve some patience from the fans. We're potentially making a £25 million profit by selling two unwanted players - people saying this is the club thinking short-term again are talking shit. The club has dramatically changed the way they do business and this is a perfect example of buying young players who will retain or increase in value.

I trust Jose. Who's with me?

[darrus 422]

About Mata not being at training today - at ChelseaTV headlines I think I heard everyone was there except Torres - did I misunderstand or hear wrong?

[Fernando 6,496]

Excellent view. Congratulation, you said it all. JOSE RUNS THIS FOOTBALL TEAM & RIGHTFULLY SO.

Nothing has happened.

That dude likes to jump to conclusion before things happen.

He was like that when he thought mourinho was going to United calling him a traitor..

I just don't understand the desire people have here of taking the extreme side without having the truth.

And we all know how much the English media make shit up.

I remembered them stating how hulk was a done deal for Chelsea some time ago.

It won't be the first and won't be the last. But people never learn.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Blimey. We got there eventually.

Where's my statue?!

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

Dailyfail keeps lowering their IQ by showing this photo.

Tons of player are missing in this photo, I guess they will all be sold then... smh...

[The only place to be 11,313]

He has got plenty of other offers.

Who? Weren't you the guy who said we were signing Cavani in the summer?

Roman has given Jose the same power as Ferguson had at United..

Let that sink in for a moment, we're finally a proper football club.

But I just bought a Mata shirt (actually have...this is precisely why I don't get names printed on my shirts).

How stupid are we?!?! seriously?!?!

Is that the 'royal we'?

[The Mak 4,459]

Pro-selling people seem to not want to deal with the fact that we will be weakened by this sale. Style or no style, our AMs is our main strength in this squad, if nothing else, and selling Mata halfway through the season leaves us vulnerable to injuries for the rest of the season - unless he is replaced by someone adequate, which I don't see happening.

Everyone seems to be pointing at the summer transfer window as a reason, but until then we'll be weakened this season while still fighting for titles we can win now. The summer window will also have inflated prices because of the WC, so it makes me laugh when people say we can get 2-3 WC players out of the Mata sale. Right now this only makes sense for everyone but us.

[Jase 43,479]

Daily Mail reported this...

Mata misses Chelsea training with United closing in on deal for £37m Chelsea star

But the Blues News Headlines on Chelsea TV apparently reported that "everyone but Torres is training today".

Go figure.......

[Weckerz 3,781]

You don't sell a world class player to United, you just don't. Especially after last summer. It hurts my pride as a Chelsea fan and it should affect you too.

[lionsden 4,689]

Daily Mail reported this...

Mata misses Chelsea training with United closing in on deal for £37m Chelsea star

But the Blues News Headlines on Chelsea TV apparently reported that "everyone but Torres is training today".

Go figure.......

That's because the chelsea tv crew already count mata has a former blue

[zolayes 14,489]

I don't join forums and use a Hip Hop producers name in order to give you my life story. I'm a 90's baby, Champions league quarter finals/Guojohnsen/FA Cup winners. You're 75 so I can imagine there'd be a gap in how big you think Chelsea were when and where.

This is the Juan Mata thread.

so why insult other fans ,,,OF course you are TX closet Manure fan as well I seem to remember

[zolayes 14,489]

Or they could not finish top 4 with him, or they could finish top 4 without him. Or we could say no and they could use the 40m to buy a player or two who would help them finish top 4. Lots of possibilities and none of them more likely than the other.

What is certain, though, is that if we do accept the bid, we would lose a player who is not really in the managers plans and would have 40m to strengthen our squad in the summer.

YOU have a wonnderful ability to see only your view ,, must be wonderful to be always so certain you are right ..

[The only place to be 11,313]

Pro-selling people seem to not want to deal with the fact that we will be weakened by this sale. Style or no style, our AMs is our main strength in this squad, if nothing else, and selling Mata halfway through the season leaves us vulnerable to injuries for the rest of the season - unless he is replaced by someone adequate, which I don't see happening.

Except Mata doesn't play. When he does play, our AMs aren't generally the strength they are when we've got Oscar, Willian and Hazard in the side. If we get injuries in those positions to Hazard and Oscar for example, we're fucked whether we still have Mata or not because our team is built around those types of players.

Mata isn't needed.

Everyone seems to be pointing at the summer transfer window as a reason, but until then we'll be weakened this season while still fighting for titles we can win now. The summer window will also have inflated prices because of the WC, so it makes me laugh when people say we can get 2-3 WC players out of the Mata sale. Right now this only makes sense for everyone but us.

United's real targets might actually be available in the summer though. This is a panic buy by them.

If we sell Mata, we lose a player who doesn't actually seem to make our team function in quite the same way it does without him.

Honestly at this point in time he might actually be sixth choice AM behind Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle and Ramires.

When we play a top team, NOBODY includes Mata. So we're going to say no to £40 million for a player to only appear against Stoke in the FA Cup and maybe West Ham in the league.....oh wait, we can't afford a replay so we probably shouldn't risk playing Mata against Stoke because last time he played against them we lost.

And against West Ham we only played 2 AMs so doe we need him for that one or could we go with a 3 man midfield of Lamps, Matic and Rami?

Oh shit, I've got it. CARBONITE. The people who want to keep Mata don't actually want to play him. They want to Han Solo him and hang him in Jabba's palace (no jokes about the woman who owns Southampton please lads). That will be a real statement piece...it'll really tie the room together.

[Ryan Fong 2,776]

I was bored and paid a visit to Redcafe.....

Oh boy oh boy, United fans over there are a bunch of most delusional and idiotic people I've ever witnessed....

Apparently they are all wanking after hearing Mata is not at training today, smh...

[milka 3,359]

I want Rooney for Mata

[LAB 1,030]

Relax everyone. This thread has gone beyond ridiculous. Mourinho has made it clear. He wants him on the squad, but if a top player like him wants to play more games it's righteous that he leaves. That's perfectly fair. But this door should be open only for teams outside PL. Mata himself IMO does not fancy PL transfer either. He probably wants to try Barcelona the summer.