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Nothing absurd about how I see a playmaker. it's a matter of opinion and job title doesn't neccessarily define a players skillset. I have seen some playmakers in my time the likes of Valderrama, zidane, rui costa, Iniesta, scholes,riquelme, ozil and so on. His job title says one thing but his skillset and how he's always played the game right from his under 20 champ and internacional days tells me something else. it's a matter of personal taste and opinion. . . .I know what I want in a playmaker and he simply doesn't fit that profile at all. you and others are welcome to disagree. each individual sees the game differently.

I've seen those same playmakers (although they're wildly different types of playmakers - Scholes would probably be considered a deep-lying playmaker nowadays in the mould of Alonso or Schweinsteiger, whilst someone like Rui Costa was much more advanced) and more an I'd not hesitate in calling Oscar a playmaker. In fact if you're going to throw Iniesta in there then I don't see why you're disagreeing about Oscar. In terms of the way they play the game and their production on the pitch, they're very similar.

You may want something different in a playmaker, but I don't know if we'd be a better team if went with what you wanted. I enjoyed watching Mata play over the last couple of years but I prefer seeing us play as a team rather than a collection of talented individuals.

Oscar is the epitome of a team player. He makes the guy next to him a better player and he works his bollocks off for the team. I think that's invaluable, and apparently Jose does too.

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There is no set rule that the position behind the striker has to be a playmaker, nor is Oscar being deployed as one. I to don't see him as a incredibly creative player. He's good at almost every aspect, but isn't a master at anything (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). More and more emphasis is being placed on having multifunctional players in today's football than players who are specialists in only one aspect.

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Out of interest, if you were Scolari would Coutinho be playing ahead of Oscar?

I fucking love Coutinho. The fact that Guardiola, Simeone at Atletico Madrid and Pochetino at Southampton all want/ wanted to sign him at some point says I'm not alone in this. But there's no way he'd get into Brazil's first 11 ahead of Oscar.

I still would like to see him get a place in the squad though, he's a little genius, he's the closest thing to the next Iniesta with a bit more flair and tricks and acceleration over the first few years, it's a bit of a shame his injury derailed his season a bit.

As for Mata, whom I also love as a player, I think he should be given a few games with Mikel and Ramires in the pivot, that would allow him to do what he does best, he'd still have to press but not as much.

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I've seen those same playmakers (although they're wildly different types of playmakers - Scholes would probably be considered a deep-lying playmaker nowadays in the mould of Alonso or Schweinsteiger, whilst someone like Rui Costa was much more advanced) and more an I'd not hesitate in calling Oscar a playmaker. In fact if you're going to throw Iniesta in there then I don't see why you're disagreeing about Oscar. In terms of the way they play the game and their production on the pitch, they're very similar.

You may want something different in a playmaker, but I don't know if we'd be a better team if went with what you wanted. I enjoyed watching Mata play over the last couple of years but I prefer seeing us play as a team rather than a collection of talented individuals.

Oscar is the epitome of a team player. He makes the guy next to him a better player and he works his bollocks off for the team. I think that's invaluable, and apparently Jose does too.

Thanks captain obvious. next thing you would lecture me on how Pirlo and Xavi are different type of playmakers to the likes of Totti and Ozil. If you think Oscar and Iniesta have similar playing styles and have comparable output then I'm truly lost for words. you must seriously overrate oscar.

maybe your argument would actually hold more weight by providing relevant stats that shows 1) we are a better team with Oscar as the main playmaker rather than mata and 2) His assist and creativity chart compared to mata at similar stages of the season etc.

and also how has Oscar made his teammates better since being the focal point of the attack . How has he for e.g make Hazard a better player?

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Now, I read Oscar isn´t a play-maker. May I ask what is he, then ?

This kid, works hard, passes the ball, creates chances & even scores goals this year, at least I have seen it.

he's a box to box midfielder. that's what he is.

I must have missed all these lovely, out of the ordinary passes and chances he's being creating since joining us.

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If you think Oscar and Iniesta have similar playing styles and have comparable output then I'm truly lost for words. you must seriously overrate oscar.

Actually statistically they do have rather similar output...or is that too obvious a metric device? The major difference is that Oscar is 22 and Iniesta is 29, but I'm a believer in supporting young players and not judging them too harshly. I know that's not quite de rigueur amongst modern supporters, but it's just my way. Also Iniesta plays in the best team to have ever played the game (probably) and does it in a wildly uneven league.

maybe your argument would actually hold more weight by providing relevant stats that shows 1) we are a better team with Oscar as the main playmaker rather than mata and 2) His assist and creativity chart compared to mata at similar stages of the season etc.

Now you want stats? Mata's stats over the last two seasons were tremendous and Oscar won't come close to them, but I believe we're a much better side with him in it because he ties the different units together better. Mata is right now probably the better playmaker, but I'm more focussed on how the team performs.

and also how has Oscar made his teammates better since being the focal point of the attack . How has he for e.g make Hazard a better player?

I don't know if he's the focal point of the attack, but he's certainly the one who sets the tempo for the team and I'd say in that regard he's made the players around him much better. I don't know if he's made Hazard a better player, but he put him clean through on goal at least 3 times and Hazard failed to control it twice (West Brom and West Ham) and struck the other at the keeper (can't remember off the top of my head who that was against). I'm not sure exactly what else he can do in that regard.

I must have missed all these lovely, out of the ordinary passes and chances he's being creating since joining us.

That's a real shame.

Anyway, no point arguing over semantics. Oscar's doing the business and we're looking strong.

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he's a box to box midfielder. that's what he is.

I must have missed all these lovely, out of the ordinary passes and chances he's being creating since joining us. . . . . no wonder we are so toothless when it comes to breaking opponent's defence down.

Well, you call it a box to box, I call it creating chances. How about it ? Peace brother. LOL.

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Actually statistically they do have rather similar output...or is that too obvious a metric device? The major difference is that Oscar is 22 and Iniesta is 29, but I'm a believer in supporting young players and not judging them too harshly. I know that's not quite de rigueur amongst modern supporters, but it's just my way. Also Iniesta plays in the best team to have ever played the game (probably) and does it in a wildly uneven league.

Now you want stats? Mata's stats over the last two seasons were tremendous and Oscar won't come close to them, but I believe we're a much better side with him in it because he ties the different units together better. Mata is right now probably the better playmaker, but I'm more focussed on how the team performs.

I don't know if he's the focal point of the attack, but he's certainly the one who sets the tempo for the team and I'd say in that regard he's made the players around him much better. I don't know if he's made Hazard a better player, but he put him clean through on goal at least 3 times and Hazard failed to control it twice (West Brom and West Ham) and struck the other at the keeper (can't remember off the top of my head who that was against). I'm not sure exactly what else he can do in that regard.

That's a real shame.

Anyway, no point arguing over semantics. Oscar's doing the business and we're looking strong.

Oscar had made us a better team yet we have exactly the same amount of points (24) in exactly the same amount of games (12) as last season before sacking RDM. That's some improvement right there.

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Well, you call it a box to box, I call it creating chances. How about it ? Peace brother. LOL.

lol You know what i mean tho. Lampard created plenty of chances for us over the years infact he even led the league in assist one season (can't remember which) and was a far far more creative player than oscar will ever be but you still wouldn't call him a typical playmaker. that's my point.

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Oscar had made us a better team yet we have exactly the same amount of points (24) in exactly the same amount of games (12) as last season before sacking RDM. That's some improvement right there.

Actually if you want to compare us to last season then did you want to mention that 5 days ago it was the one-year anniversary of Robbie's sacking?

That team was nowhere near as solid as this year's team in my opinion. Yes we're not perfect but we're at least improving.

But like I said, I can't really see the point in arguing when I'm enjoying this team. I know that some people aren't happy that their favourites aren't playing or that we aren't playing with such reckless abandon as we were but the problem with relying on a moment of magic is that it doesn't always turn up for you. That's when you need guts, grit and determination to pull you through.

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lol You know what i mean tho. Lampard created plenty of chances for us over the years infact he even led the league in assist one season (can't remember which) and was a far far more creative player than oscar will ever be but you still wouldn't call him a typical playmaker. that's my point.

Ok, perhaps, we are playing with words here ?

Personally, I would not compare Oscar to my boy Frankie, at all. I too feel, Frank was, is in class by himself & Oscar has a long way to reach that status, if ever.

Just one little dab here. As you might know, Chelsea are at 24 points after 12 games, the same as last year, but nobody comes up with banners, yell at Jose...the way to explain it, fans are in love with Jose, no Mata what he does.

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Ok, perhaps, we are playing with words here ?

Personally, I would not compare Oscar to my boy Frankie, at all. I too feel, Frank was, is in class by himself & Oscar has a long way to reach that status, if ever.

Just one little dab here. As you might know, Chelsea are at 24 points after 12 games, the same as last year, but nobody comes up with banners, yell at Jose...the way to explain it, fans are in love with Jose, no Mata what he does.

Thing is last year we mostly played ok teams, this time we have already played Everton, MU, City and even Arsenal in the cup. So considering the opposition quality, that is a better return on the face of it.

Also the more I think about it, I am quite confused. Should we really care about players if the team is winning anyway or still scoring goals?

Will it make much of a difference if Mikel was banging them in instead of Eto'o, Torres. Would we have him playing CAM instead of Mata right now if that is the case? I think we probably should and would.

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Thing is last year we mostly played ok teams, this time we have already played Everton, MU, City and even Arsenal in the cup. So considering the opposition quality, that is a better return on the face of it.

Also the more I think about it, I am quite confused. Should we really care about players if the team is winning anyway or still scoring goals?

Will it make much of a difference if Mikel was banging them in instead of Eto'o, Torres. Would we have him playing CAM instead of Mata right now if that is the case? I think we probably should and would.

OK teams, better teams, top teams, the same amount of points is the result. I agree I like Chelsea better this year or I am too old to remember.

As you say, whoever scores, even Cech may start, I do not care, just pop them in baby. LOL.

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he's a box to box midfielder. that's what he is.

I must have missed all these lovely, out of the ordinary passes and chances he's being creating since joining us.

I'd rather say he's a play-maker with box-to-box attributes.

Box-to-Box midfielfder??? No way

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