🇪🇸 Juan Mata

[Jase 43,479]

you mean he simply knew that he wasnt good enough so all the fight for starting place would have been waste of time?

No. Mata knew he had to improve (he has always said he can still improve), especially after Mourinho made the point about his lack of defending, and he did. You can see in the subsequent games that he tracked back, worked his socks off and tried to adapt to the way Mourinho wanted but the issue was, it was never quite enough for Jose's liking - hence why he was subbed off countless of times - even when he is doing well. Mata simply suffered because he doesn't have that same level of athleticism like Oscar or Willian that Mourinho wants from the players.

[Thendo 1,088]

Chris Cohen aka "the Chelsea song maker" made a Goodbye song for Mata, quite funny

[nadavTKL 1,787]

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[Rmpr 8,977]

@, dont waist your time on trying to force common sense on a member who is plain stupid!

Sk21 is dumber than bushman...

[The Mak 4,459]

So United were able to keep us at arms length during the whole negotiations while still meeting the buyout clause they were specifically EXCLUDED from? Boy, don't we sound like a bunch of pushovers.

If they refused to meet face to face we should've at least charged them a 'premium'. We could've milked them for an extra 5-10m EASILY. They were desperate and it was so obvious that they were never getting a player near Mata's quality in this window. If they didn't bite straight away they would've panicked the closer it came to deadline day. Their CL hopes depended on it.

I mean, I rather we didn't sell to them in the first instance, but if we were I'd rather we played hardball instead of bending over and taking it from a club that flat-out refused to do business with us months ago. We look like a bunch of mugs for putting up with their bullshit!

[The_Flash 1,144]

come again? it went exactly like that. mourinho wanted to keep mata (even if he felt that the guy wasnt good enough to play for the club. he was still willing to keep him) but mata forced a transfer. mourinho has said it millions (aaaaaaaaand millions) times that hes willing to keep mata.

theres absolutely no other way to see this.

Thank you, at least a few people can see sense and have taken off their Mata love googles and see f**** sense.

Yes it is sad but stop hiding your hurt by bigging him up and making excuses for him. He chose them over us, that's a fact. Let's all just get over it but people having a go at the people including myself for telling the truth is pathetic.

---- James ---- That rubbish you spouted at me isn't worth me quoting . Did you miss the bit where Mata marched off and grabbed his cost and slammed his seat down, for being substituted, I'm sorry it's childish hardly professional particularly in front of people who haven't played for way longer than poor Mata.

He is kind of slagging Jose and by saying he went there to win the league as if our club isn't good enough to do it??? We did it without Mata and we will do it again without him one day I am sure.

Bitter is a strange word to use, I am disappointed that he's left that's it and how he has behaved after wards has opened my eyes and it's sad but bitter that's not the emotion I am feeling.

frankly I am so bored of all the talk of b, HE WASNT EVEN PLAYING FOR US !!!!

We have been great before and will be great after.

It's so embarrassing people arguing over it, aren't we supposed to be Chelsea fans.

I care about my club and how they are protracted at first Mata portrayed Jose was forcing him out and Jose said he was happy for him to stay now Mata comes out and all he wants is Utd, give us all a break Juan.

And Janzuai number. 7 god that would be worse than Mata getting it, way better people come and gone at Utd for him to get it.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

allow me to correct you on a bit - or disagree.

Ronaldo is such an all-around attacking player that it isn't the system that is built around him, but he simply bosses the system, whatever system that may be because he simply doesn't have an attack weakness. Pace, power, strength, technical ability, dribble, head skill, set-piece skill, physicality, and everything else (attacking wise) I can think and Ronaldo has it.

Barcelona are the ones who made their system dependable on Messi as once he got injured they weren't able to keep it up whereas RM don't build a system around Ronaldo, he simply steps in and makes it his system (literally, as he's selfish as heck and I'm a fan and supporter of his selfishness because he's earned that right). But it's not a Ronaldo-oriented system, as they adapt very quickly to different tactical systems. Ronaldo is just so good attacking that he simply takes ownership of the ball and rocks it. Messi is more dependable on a system that favors his attributes (and covers his weaknesses), although I personally believe Messi is more talented than Ronaldo. Messi is all born gift whereas Ronaldo is all hard work imo. Barça learned how to depend on Messi's incredible gift and made up a system that capitalizes it, but they forgot that the system should work without him as well because that is one of his weaknesses, especially compared to Cris - he's becoming a bit prone to injuries whereas Cris seems to be made of steel.

Well, you made correct points, mostly, and I can't add anything. I disagree about Ronaldo being all hard work though, he's extremely talented.

Ps: delete all evidence that you're a female so that I don't get embarrased

[The Skipper 20,609]

No offence but this is an example of people being so tribalistic that they can't think of something objectively and resort to cliches and petty attacks on the player.

Neanderthals is what I call them. Still living in the stone ages.

[Clevemayer 764]

Unbeliveable...

if anything it is not nice by Mou to act like he would have given Mata any chance in the near future... he should be more honest. But he could raise the money for him this way.

Mata is a great guy and a wonderfull footballar. @Magic Lamps got it spot on, nothing more to add to that.

Its disgracefull how some members act towards him...

[Jase 43,479]

@, dont waist your time on trying to force common sense on a member who is plain stupid!

Sk21 is dumber than bushman...

I know. Already feel like a broken record at this point. *sigh*

Can't help it I guess if people want to be tribalistic or neanderthals, like Skipper said.

[The_Flash 1,144]

Yeah people want to see the truth, it's a broken record. He's gone that's life.

[Jase 43,479]

Yeah people want to see the truth, it's a broken record. He's gone that's life.

That's the funny thing. He's gone from the club but you still seem to be reading what is happening with him and then come here to vent your anger. Thought people in such cases would not bother anymore...

[The_Flash 1,144]

It's not anger, it's disappointment as I said I thought one thing about him and IN MY OPINION he has changed my view on him.

I don't care anymore good luck to him, he's made his bed he can sleep in his Utd onsie.

But I don't like to see people on here tell the truth and get attacked. People may find it hard to take but if your all honest you know it's the truth when it comes right down to it, he chose them over us. End of .

Sadness not bitter not anger

[Amblève. 4,995]

I care about my club and how they are protracted at first Mata portrayed Jose was forcing him out and Jose said he was happy for him to stay now Mata comes out and all he wants is Utd, give us all a break Juan.

Good, then do us all a favor and spare us from your BS, fuck off and never visit this thread again as Mata is not part of this club anymore.

[Barbara 15,149]

Well, you made correct points, mostly, and I can't add anything. I disagree about Ronaldo being all hard work though, he's extremely talented.

Ps: delete all evidence that you're a female so that I don't get embarrased

don't know what you meant with the PS part, but the talent part, I agree with you. When I said it's all one thing and the other, I was trying to tell them apart. Messi also works hard - not just as hard as Cris and Cris is also talent, just not as much as Messi imo. There's no way a player without any talent can work hard, thousand hours after training and become as good as Cris. Talent is definitely required, the same way I'm sure Messi works hard, just not as much extra time as Cris does.

[The Mak 4,459]

It's so embarrassing people arguing over it, aren't we supposed to be Chelsea fans.

I care about my club and how they are protracted at first Mata portrayed Jose was forcing him out and Jose said he was happy for him to stay now Mata comes out and all he wants is Utd, give us all a break Juan.

How about you give us a break from your posts in this thread? If you don't like him so much then stop posting about him. Its simple. Take your tribalism onto a Rangers forum.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

don't know what you meant with the PS part, but the talent part, I agree with you. When I said it's all one thing and the other, I was trying to tell them apart. Messi also works hard - not just as hard as Cris and Cris is also talent, just not as much as Messi imo. There's no way a player without any talent can work hard, thousand hours after training and become as good as Cris. Talent is definitely required, the same way I'm sure Messi works hard, just not as much extra time as Cris does.

It was a joke Bárbara! Oh I understand. In that case, I agree with everything you previously said.

[The_Flash 1,144]

Good, then do us all a favor and spare us from your BS, fuck off and never visit this thread again as Mata is not part of this club anymore.

Don't be so bloody rude, it totally unneeded, it's my opinion, you disagree don't read it, ignore me whatever but I can't post in as many times as I wish. I'm not going to browbeaten to your way of thinking.

How about you give us a break from your posts in this thread? If you don't like him so much then stop posting about him. Its simple. Take your tribalism onto a Rangers forum.

How mature of you, you busy on Celtic FC?? Lol

It doesn't matter how many people tell me to **** off and go away I won't I will post until I wish to stop, particularly when you are all enjoying my posts so much.

[The Mak 4,459]

How mature of you, you busy on Celtic FC?? Lol

It doesn't matter how many people tell me to **** off and go away I won't I will post until I wish to stop, particularly when you are all enjoying my posts so much.

Point proven. You must confuse me for someone who cares about a football team purely because of my nationality. How barbaric of you.

For the record, I couldn't give a shit about Celtic or Rangers. The reason is because both clubs seem to be stuck in the dark ages, as we can all see...

[Jase 43,479]

On another note, we are edging ever closer to surpassing Torres's thread page total count. Just another 142 pages more to go.