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8 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

Drogba was a late bloomer in football as well, will you crap on him too?

 

Lukaku is a very good striker, but Costa is a much better player on form. 

Whose crapping on whom?

I am simply calling it as it is. When you are comparing a 27 year old settled striker and a 22 year old massive prospect, you cant begin an argument with "Guy1 has won 2 titles hence he is better than Guy2". How many league titles had henry led monaco to at the age of 22. you cant compare apples to oranges and then say that apples are better because they are redder. Hence i brought up the age component.

Exactly Lukaku is a brilliant player. Costa is better on "FORM". We all saw how poor he was when out of form because most of his general game play is poor. Linking up, aerial ability, creating chances, dribbling, all of these aspects lukaku is much better at. Costa's running behind the defenders and running the channels is second to none, but when he is not scoring, he can be very very frustrating to watch and almost a liability..

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I'm afraid not a lot of you will have seen the interview (let alone be able to understand a single word they say ). So here's the summary of the most important things that have been said: He's feeling

Big words from Drog.

Wrong shirt at the wrong moment Romelu

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2 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

read my post again. you were talking about costa leading 2 teams to league titles. Hence, i brought the age into consideration which is only fair since expecting a 22 year old to lead teams to league titles is not only unfair but also stupid when specially when you spend years on loan at teams like WBA. Understand what was being said rather than jumping to your own conclusions.

Aerial ability, link up play, dribbling, running at defenders. These are the things Lukaku is WAY better than costa. And once again you go out and make unbelievably stupid comparisions and statements. The light years comment was in comparision to their careers at 22. Costa was no where in the picture.

Lukaku has come leaps and bounds in his development, which was expected by most of the match goers. Yes, costa was the better striker 2 years ago but lukaku's development has brought him on the same level as costa and he is just going to get better. But i guess saying messi is better than costa is also grass is greener effect or that mata is ore creative than oscar.

I apologise I misjudged some of it, i confess i did see light years and got the wrong end of the stick but the point is regardless of the age gap, Costa has proven himself at the very top level and Lukaku despite his very impressive goal record hasn't, scoring goals for Everton and West Bromwich makes him a good premier league level goalscorer, he might go to Real/United and get even better and win them titles, but he might equally flop and return to what he's doing now,being a very good level PL scorer.

If you want to compare Lukaku vs Costa when both are done then fine, but right now Costa is the much more proven pegigree if player, hes fired two different teams to titles in the two best leagues in the world, has done well for the most part in the CL (PSG 14/15 aside). Lukaku has so far had two shots at the top level which were with us in 11/12 (briefly again under Jose) and the 2014 World Cup, both of which he made complete dogs dinners out off. Jose is older than AVB, shall we hold off on saying Mou is better because Andre might have 8 league titles and two Champions League's when he is 53? If he does then he will be on level with Jose but right now he isn't, same goes with Romelu and Diego.

Also Lukakus link up play isn't great, it may have improved the last year or so (was hard not too) but Costa is very underrated in link up/decision making department, I can't be bothered to reel endless examples but I'll leave three here that ended in goals, his part in Andre Schurrle goal at The Ethiad last season, Hazards guilt edged chance at the same ground this season and Ramires vs Liverpool.

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5 hours ago, Tomo said:

 apologise I misjudged some of it, i confess i did see light years and got the wrong end of the stick but the point is regardless of the age gap, Costa has proven himself at the very top level and Lukaku despite his very impressive goal record hasn't, scoring goals for Everton and West Bromwich makes him a good premier league level goalscorer, he might go to Real/United and get even better and win them titles, but he might equally flop and return to what he's doing now,being a very good level PL scorer.

If you want to compare Lukaku vs Costa when both are done then fine, but right now Costa is the much more proven pegigree if player, hes fired two different teams to titles in the two best leagues in the world, has done well for the most part in the CL (PSG 14/15 aside). Lukaku has so far had two shots at the top level which were with us in 11/12 (briefly again under Jose) and the 2014 World Cup, both of which he made complete dogs dinners out off. Jose is older than AVB, shall we hold off on saying Mou is better because Andre might have 8 league titles and two Champions League's when he is 53? If he does then he will be on level with Jose but right now he isn't, same goes with Romelu and Diego.

Also Lukakus link up play isn't great, it may have improved the last year or so (was hard not too) but Costa is very underrated in link up/decision making department, I can't be bothered to reel endless examples but I'll leave three here that ended in goals, his part in Andre Schurrle goal at The Ethiad last season, Hazards guilt edged chance at the same ground this season and Ramires vs Liverpool.

Fair enough mate. Not many people have the etiquettes to accept and apologize. Also, I would like to apologize for my language/content in case i went a little over-board.

Again, fair enough on the AVB example but I have to add something here. Musonda vs Oscar. A 19 year old Rookie vs a proven PL-EL-LC winner. I know oscar is no where near costa's level but I am simply giving a for instance here. I would definitely say that musonda is a better "OPTION". Not saying "Player" but an "Option". The amount of risk we take replacing oscar with a rookie is acceptable for me considering musonda's talent. Similarly, it goes for lukaku. Also, its not a case of "grass is greener", its simply a case where people are wondering of "what might have been". I have never said, i want Lukaku "instead" of costa. But i do wonder how much better off we would be if we had him in the squad currently. Jose managed Lukaku very poorly. I love the man to bits, but by GOD, did he screw this one up. Buying a 33 year old for a season when he re-iterated multiple times that we wont be winning the PL was just suicide. Lukaku should have been Jose no.1 "egg" and should have been shown a lot more faith than starting no matches for the one month he was here. Also, to say, Lukaku got a chance at chelsea is just unfair. a match against fulham in league cup and a couple of minutes as a sub is not a chance. As for 2014 world cup, so did hazard and one of the main disappointment of the world cup was costa himself. Its not the correct stage to judge a 20 year old.

I can match all of those examples with lukaku's too. Costa's link up play leaves a lot to be desired. 5 months, when he was not scoring, he was not doing "ANYTHING". 

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21 hours ago, chelseafan26 said:

Fair enough mate. Not many people have the etiquettes to accept and apologize. Also, I would like to apologize for my language/content in case i went a little over-board.

Again, fair enough on the AVB example but I have to add something here. Musonda vs Oscar. A 19 year old Rookie vs a proven PL-EL-LC winner. I know oscar is no where near costa's level but I am simply giving a for instance here. I would definitely say that musonda is a better "OPTION". Not saying "Player" but an "Option". The amount of risk we take replacing oscar with a rookie is acceptable for me considering musonda's talent. Similarly, it goes for lukaku. Also, its not a case of "grass is greener", its simply a case where people are wondering of "what might have been". I have never said, i want Lukaku "instead" of costa. But i do wonder how much better off we would be if we had him in the squad currently. Jose managed Lukaku very poorly. I love the man to bits, but by GOD, did he screw this one up. Buying a 33 year old for a season when he re-iterated multiple times that we wont be winning the PL was just suicide. Lukaku should have been Jose no.1 "egg" and should have been shown a lot more faith than starting no matches for the one month he was here. Also, to say, Lukaku got a chance at chelsea is just unfair. a match against fulham in league cup and a couple of minutes as a sub is not a chance. As for 2014 world cup, so did hazard and one of the main disappointment of the world cup was costa himself. Its not the correct stage to judge a 20 year old.

I can match all of those examples with lukaku's too. Costa's link up play leaves a lot to be desired. 5 months, when he was not scoring, he was not doing "ANYTHING". 

Theres no need to apologise honestly, sometimes things can get heated and its nothing compared to what I've seen here before.

With Musonda vs Oscar, it's a bit different compared to Costa as Oscar is more a squad level player, the more appropriate players to use in this instance would be Hazard or Willian, to which I'd still be in favour of those two, if I compared Lukaku to a squad player say Remy in that instance, of course Lukaku even tho the latter is more decorated with his medals in top level.

The way I see it as far as chances go, theirs small chances then a "proper" chance, the small chance is like the audition so to speak, when Lukaku first came he got that coming on against Norwich, got game time away at United, full match vs Fulham, got some game time vs Everton, Arse and Liverpool not long after, he didn't even remotely impress, which is why I use the recent example of Traore, Pato signed January and at that time Bertrand was probably 5th choice, he could have gone out on loan, didn't and has had his "audition's" and has impressed enough to climb to Costa's immediate back up, started the last two league games and was the one called to take his place vs Paris, i really believe there was an opening for Romelu if he impressed Traore style in 2011, after all Romeu broke through under Andre.

The Eto'o signing was a complex but nessesery one, I touched up at the time that it was a pretty tough time for Romelu to be coming through, because all our attacking mids were really young too, I laid my concern's that summer that we were starting to look like Arsenal, we needed some experience to guide them young uns (Torres doesnt count) Samuel gave that, you only need to see how Eden Hazard mentions him to see what an impact he made on young player's. Eto'o gave us the bit of tactical intelligence our youth full attack line needed and truth be told, if he didn't get injured vs Arsenal, I think we would have won the title. Should have probably kept him as a sub option, but it appears he wanted a loan. I know the main thing for that season was build for the next, but their needs to be some sort of balance in the average age, Lukaku as #1 mixed with youthful AMs, lack of experience and would have took its toll.

It would have been good to have Costa and Lukaku here, but Romelu didn't want that, the same way it was good to have Courtois and Cech but Petr didn't want to be on the bench.

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On 13-3-2016 at 6:49 PM, Tomo said:

Lukaku isn't as good as Costa, Costa has fired two teams to the title in two different league's, Lukaku has proven little in comparison, but hey his goals has fired Everton to 12th so he must be better.

Im happy he has created a decent career for himself, but we have got a better striker and one who in my opinion will be at least as good (who proven more in a Chelsea shirt than Romelu ever did).

What's the use of comparing a 27 year old proven striker to a 22 year old kid?

I can imagine you say, RIGHT NOW, Diego is the better striker of the two (but even then... very close!). But all other things are just b***. If you watch their stats... I think 90% would put there money on Lukaku for having the better career/stats! 

Did you know Romelu has already scored more goals in Europe than Diego? Stunning! 

 

 

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On 3/13/2016 at 1:26 AM, the wes said:

LUKAKU IS LEADING YOUNG GUNS 

Romelu Lukaku has scored more club goals at the age of 22 than these Premier League legends managed...

Romelu Lukaku: 119

Michael Owen: 111

Wayne Rooney: 94

Alan Shearer: 65 

Does this take into account also his time in the Belgian league?

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29 minutes ago, manpe said:

Does this take into account also his time in the Belgian league?

 

Yes it does.

People can say what you want, but it's not an easy league for top goal scorers. Holland quite often used to have a top scorer with 25+ goals a season. Belgium rarely has because lots of teams completely park the bus. Romelu was bullying defenders as a 16 year old though. :) I remember him playing Ajax in the Arena. The home team thought it would be a walk in the park. Half an hour later it was 0-2 after two 16 year old Lukaku headers. 

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2 hours ago, Atholy said:

What's the use of comparing a 27 year old proven striker to a 22 year old kid?

I can imagine you say, RIGHT NOW, Diego is the better striker of the two (but even then... very close!). But all other things are just b***. If you watch their stats... I think 90% would put there money on Lukaku for having the better career/stats! 

Did you know Romelu has already scored more goals in Europe than Diego? Stunning! 

 

 

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That's like saying what's the point of saying Jose is better than AVB? Andre is 15 years younger, he might have 8 titles and 2 CLs when he's 53.

Key word is might, shall we hold back on calling Jose the better manager because Andre is younger? If Lukaku goes on to win title's and prove himself at the very top level like Diego has then by all means hes at a level/better, but until then regardless of age gap, Costa is the better striker.

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3 hours ago, Tomo said:

That's like saying what's the point of saying Jose is better than AVB? Andre is 15 years younger, he might have 8 titles and 2 CLs when he's 53.

Diego Costa is hardly the Mourinho of strikers. There have been and will be many strikers that accomplish what Costa has accomplished at the age of 27, Lukaku can become easily one of them.

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5 hours ago, Tomo said:

If Lukaku goes on to win title's and prove himself at the very top level like Diego has then by all means hes at a level/better, but until then regardless of age gap, Costa is the better striker.

Titles are not the only correct comparison though, because that would make a guy who stayed faithful to his mediocre team like Alan Shearer not a world class striker (ok, he got one title with Blackburn). 

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On 15/03/2016 at 9:05 PM, johnnythefirst said:

Titles are not the only correct comparison though, because that would make a guy who stayed faithful to his mediocre team like Alan Shearer not a world class striker (ok, he got one title with Blackburn). 

Along with getting the title with Blackburn, Newcastle were often challenging top three with Shearer there, certainly top level.

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21 hours ago, Tomo said:

Along with getting the title with Blackburn, Newcastle were often challenging top three with Shearer there, certainly top level.

Shearer was 24 when he won his first and only title. Lukaku was 17. Let's wait and find out what happens next. ;-)

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Shearer was 24 when he won his first and only title. Lukaku was 17. Let's wait and find out what happens next. ;-)

Can't compared the Belgian League to the Prem

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2 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Can't compared the Belgian League to the Prem


I know. He still won a title at 17 though. And once he's off to a top team, I'd say after next season, he'll probably start competing for them again. 
Also, winning a title is never easy, unless there's one completely overpowered team in a league like PSG or Bayern.

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I know. He still won a title at 17 though. And once he's off to a top team, I'd say after next season, he'll probably start competing for them again. 

Also, winning a title is never easy, unless there's one completely overpowered team in a league like PSG or Bayern.

True. I personally doubt he'll ever go to a massive club and succeed. Just something about him

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6 hours ago, johnnythefirst said:

Shearer was 24 when he won his first and only title. Lukaku was 17. Let's wait and find out what happens next. ;-)

Of course, Lukaku could turn out to be the better striker out of him and Diego, but he isn't yet and that won't change just because he scores on a weekend Costa doesn't.

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4 hours ago, Tomo said:

Of course, Lukaku could turn out to be the better striker out of him and Diego, but he isn't yet and that won't change just because he scores on a weekend Costa doesn't.

 

Shearer is one of my favorite English players of all time, so both of them are obviously below him as far as I'm concerned, but I don't know why he should be considered the lesser of Costa this season. 

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Please no, not another cry baby that as soon as he hits a bad run of form, or doesn't get selected for a better player will go cry to the media and badmouths the club.
Keep as far as possible from these bunch of pussies, we already have two of the kind.

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