Tomo 21,751 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Who knows that Lukaku wouldn't have forced his way in? He got more minutes than Azpi in those first 4 games and he turned out to be one of the key players this season. The reality is, Mou didn't trust Ba, and quite evidently lost his patience with Torres by february, Romelu would have probably been sharing minutes with Eto'o for all off the 2nd half to the season. If he stayed and fought for his place, his superior quality over Ba and especially Nando would have shined through. Bir_CFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Who knows that Lukaku wouldn't have forced his way in? He got more minutes than Azpi in those first 4 games and he turned out to be one of the key players this season. The reality is, Mou didn't trust Ba, and quite evidently lost his patience with Torres by february, Romelu would have probably been sharing minutes with Eto'o for all off the 2nd half to the season. If he stayed and fought for his place, his superior quality over Ba and especially Nando would have shined through.so who should carry the responsibility for the mistake ,, lukaku or Mourinho ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,765 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 only place to be used "to be" a good poster, but since Mourinho returned he waste his time with disjointed posts defending every controversial (clumsy) decision Mourinho makes.Lets put the facts right: *Second game of the season, against Aston Villa, Stamford Bridge. Torres was injured, but Ba was the one who started. I think everyone here were surprised to see Ba starting and not Lukaku. *Third game of the season, away game against United, Schurle starts as CF, Torres was used in the second half, and Lukaku was sitting on the bench the whole match, the same Lukaku that scored a hat-trick against the same United months earlier. After that, he decided to leave, and for me thats comprehensible, because it was clear for everyone that Lukaku wasn't Mourinho's first or even second choice (choosing Ba to start Villa game was an insult), and with Mourinho saying the team would buy another CF, his chances here were getting really small.Right now its easy for Mourinho to say it was Lukaku who decided to leave, but every ambitious player in the world in his situation would do the same.The first part of your post is inciting a reaction from a member, and if memory serves me right you have him on ignore or vice versa, so why bother with the direct pop at him? It's a one way ticket to derailing a thread which you are culpable of. You know he will come back with a response and it's not what we want.You are walking a fine line right now after what I spoke to you about the other day in another thread. The rest of your post is relevant to the thread, now carry on from there please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 so who should carry the responsibility for the mistake ,, lukaku or Mourinho ???Both should have probably handled the situation a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Both should have probably handled the situation a bit better.Can't agree Lukaku is young and inexperienced ,, Jose should have known better and dealt with it much better ..Lukaku 5%to blame Jose 95% ,,, earlier I said 10% to 90% but on reflection that was hard on the boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea Legend 11 4,062 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 only place to be used "to be" a good poster, but since Mourinho returned he waste his time with disjointed posts defending every controversial (clumsy) decision Mourinho makes.Lets put the facts right: *Second game of the season, against Aston Villa, Stamford Bridge. Torres was injured, but Ba was the one who started. I think everyone here were surprised to see Ba starting and not Lukaku. *Third game of the season, away game against United, Schurle starts as CF, Torres was used in the second half, and Lukaku was sitting on the bench the whole match, the same Lukaku that scored a hat-trick against the same United months earlier. After that, he decided to leave, and for me thats comprehensible, because it was clear for everyone that Lukaku wasn't Mourinho's first or even second choice (choosing Ba to start Villa game was an insult), and with Mourinho saying the team would buy another CF, his chances here were getting really small.Right now its easy for Mourinho to say it was Lukaku who decided to leave, but every ambitious player in the world in his situation would do the same.Lets not ignore the fact that even though he didn't start, each striker was given the same amount of time on the pitch to prove their worth. Lukaku was never going to be our first choice striker and rightfully so he was twenty no need to put that kind of pressure on him. I still envision him as a guy that can be a super sub for Chelsea until he's ready to take the mantle. I would recall him and still only give him the odd start, SLOWLY integrate him into the first team. iseah100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Now, on one hand 18 year old kid gets picked to start for England ahead of Cole.Somehow, Lukaku at 20 cannot get a proper chance to play for Chelsea ahead of bums like Torres or BA? I am lost here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilmots 1 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I think the missed penalty against Bayern Munich made him go out on a loan deal.. I mean it was hard for him and people lost faith before the league begun. On the other hand, why oh why was KDB not given any chances? Maybe this loan was the best choice for Romelu... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I think the missed penalty against Bayern Munich made him go out on a loan deal.. I mean it was hard for him and people lost faith before the league begun. On the other hand, why oh why was KDB not given any chances? Maybe this loan was the best choice for Romelu...The KDB case shows I think that Jose has fixed ideas on his type of player and Kevin didnt match that as with Mata . It is a pity as when I had seen KDBI was struck by his crossing ability and his delivery of free kicks .. I hope he has a great future pity it wont be with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The KDB case shows I think that Jose has fixed ideas on his type of player and Kevin didnt match that as with Mata .... Or maybe he's just in a better position to take a call seeing as he works with them 6 days a week? guddy6969, mufilika and The only place to be 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo7 3,496 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The KDB case shows I think that Jose has fixed ideas on his type of player and Kevin didnt match that as with Mata . It is a pity as when I had seen KDBI was struck by his crossing ability and his delivery of free kicks .. I hope he has a great future pity it wont be with usKDB started the first game last season and he played against United after that. His attitude in training was the reason he was dropped. Would rather see Lukaku then Torres next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 KDB started the first game last season and he played against United after that. His attitude in training was the reason he was dropped. Would rather see Lukaku then Torres next season. I don't get to Cobham often .. perhaps you and Max do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I think the missed penalty against Bayern Munich made him go out on a loan deal.. I mean it was hard for him and people lost faith before the league begun. On the other hand, why oh why was KDB not given any chances? Maybe this loan was the best choice for Romelu...Weak mentality, if that is the case. Hopefully he has improved on that matter. Boy was that a poor penalty, one of the worst I've ever seen from a Chelsea player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Weak mentality, if that is the case. Hopefully he has improved on that matter. Boy was that a poor penalty, one of the worst I've ever seen from a Chelsea player.then you havent seen many nyikolajevics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,836 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Boy was that a poor penalty, one of the worst I've ever seen from a Chelsea player.Who cares about that penalty? It was just a UEFA super cup match.. Players like Roberto Baggio, Trezeguet, Shevchenko, Cristiano Ronaldo or Schweinsteiger missed penalties in way more important matches, it doesn't make them worse player or weak. Eden2020 and zolayes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 best records for Chelsea on penalties Drogba 5 0 Kalou 4 0 only penalty shoot outs WORST Anelka 0 2 that includes Moscow ,,, which was by far the worst IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Who cares about that penalty? It was just a UEFA super cup match.. Players like Roberto Baggio, Trezeguet, Shevchenko, Cristiano Ronaldo or Schweinsteiger missed penalties in way more important matches, it doesn't make them worse player or weak.Are you trying to compare Lukaku with these players? You missed my point. I said if that penalty was the reason he lost faith and asked to be loaned out then yes, he was weak at that moment. But he's still young and there is more than enough time to build that kind of character. Problem is: you can't built it playing for Everton (no disrespect), only by playing on the biggest stages for the strongest clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Are you trying to compare Lukaku with these players? You missed my point. I said if that penalty was the reason he lost faith and asked to be loaned out then yes, he was weak at that moment. But he's still young and there is more than enough time to build that kind of character. Problem is: you can't built it playing for Everton (no disrespect), only by playing on the biggest stages for the strongest clubs.you said he had a weak mentality .. do you still say that ,,, and on what evidence ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyikolajevics 2,836 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Are you trying to compare Lukaku with these players?No, I'm not, I'm jus saying that even the best players that are/were leaders of their team miss a penalty sometimes.. The Skipper, Eden2020 and Bosnian Blue 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 you said he had a weak mentality .. do you still say that ,,, and on what evidence ?He has to prove it to me that he doesn't and I explained how in my previous post. Lets see how he does next season in a Chelsea shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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