Mario Götze

[The Skipper 20,593]

Would be an interesting bet to take IMO. Could be a Fabregas-esque signing.

This guy was meant to be the top talent of his generation alongside Hazard and Neymar...

[Mechromancer 262]

Yeah, at some point he was the chosen one. The next big thing. The LeBron James of his brilliant generation. But, if you see the progress of the players who born in the same year(Isco, Courtois, Neymar, Verratti, etc.), well...

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Would be an interesting bet to take IMO. Could be a Fabregas-esque signing.

This guy was meant to be the top talent of his generation alongside Hazard and Neymar...

Am I only one who is just not sold on Cesc?

He is fantastic player with great vision and played big big part to title, but in big games he was the main reason why we got completely overrun by any decent side. He cant maintain his level in certain games and that is our big weakness.

It could have something with his mentality or character, thats why I never want to see him as captain unless he improves in that consistency aspect.

While you see Verratti, Modric, Schweinsteiger, Iniesta perform same good in big games, Cesc goes missing. I would tend to agree thats because of Mou tactics, but it was same back in barca.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

Am I only one who is just not sold on Cesc?

He is fantastic player with great vision and played big big part to title, but in big games he was the main reason why we got completely overrun by any decent side. He cant maintain his level in certain games and that is our big weakness.

It could have something with his mentality or character, thats why I never want to see him as captain unless he improves in that consistency aspect.

While you see Verratti, Modric, Schweinsteiger, Iniesta perform same good in big games, Cesc goes missing. I would tend to agree thats because of Mou tactics, but it was same back in barca.

I think the big problem in the big games was the partner for Cesc and Matic, Oscar/Ramires. Cesc can't control a game by his own against strong opposition, they press him hard and than we have nothing in central midfield. That's why imo the need is to partner him with someone better than Oscar. Modric and Verratti are better CMs than Cesc I think, Cesc got his weaknesses like intensity and physicality (although he's a better creator than them in the final third), BUT those CMs are not regularly controlling big games

alone. We saw Modric in Spurs, he was never so dominant like in Real in the last two seasons, he now have some great playmakers besides him, Kroos, Alonso, Isco, that made his job easier. Cesc have Ramires in the big games, while Oscar can't stay consistent.

In Barca, I think he never had a big role in central midfield. And tbh Iniesta and Xavi were better than him.

[Oscar 441]

Will be interesting to see who munich hires after Pep...

Will be huge for players like gotze, bernat, thiago and alaba's future with munich

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I think the big problem in the big games was the partner for Cesc and Matic, Oscar/Ramires. Cesc can't control a game by his own against strong opposition, they press him hard and than we have nothing in central midfield. That's why imo the need is to partner him with someone better than Oscar. Modric and Verratti are better CMs than Cesc I think, Cesc got his weaknesses like intensity and physicality (although he's a better creator than them in the final third), BUT those CMs are not regularly controlling big games

alone. We saw Modric in Spurs, he was never so dominant like in Real in the last two seasons, he now have some great playmakers besides him, Kroos, Alonso, Isco, that made his job easier. Cesc have Ramires in the big games, while Oscar can't stay consistent.

In Barca, I think he never had a big role in central midfield. And tbh Iniesta and Xavi were better than him.

Yes it could be what you say indeed.

Oscar and Cesc is very poor choice as neither has strength or balance to keep the ball.

But then again, Cesc is best as CM next to Matic (who should not be blamed or anything, Cesc has privilege to have such defensive partner IMO). Therefore our #10 should be stronger with great defensive ability, but I doubt such player exist (Pogba maybe).

Shifting Cesc to #10 with Matic and another defensive partner would make little sense either, our pivot would have little creativity while Cesc isnt even that great at #10.

While I would give Oscar another season to prove, I dont think him and Cesc at same time could boss the games regardless if there is Matic behind them. Verratti/Pogba/Koke would be very nice, but impossible to buy I think.

[Clockwork 1,794]

Sahin was disappointing. He's very talented. A real midfield playmaker, but also very good at doing the dirty work. But it's possible that he simply needed a while to recover his form after his injury. After taking a little time, he started playing better and better at Dortmund. But the injuries won't stop.

Kagawa was not that good, in terms of individual ability, and it's possible he's already peaked. He remains a useful player though, but he's lightweight. Gotze's not a flop, but he's not living up to the expectations. But his purchase doesn't even make sense. I don't think Pep wanted him, he doesn't like playing with a #10. I think it was a case of Bayern showing off their strength, weakening the opposition and wanting Germany's biggest talent at their club.

Pep wanted Neymar, Bayern management wouldn't cough up the the necessary money to get him so the alternative was to offer Goetze to Pep. that is well known among Bayern supporters.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Hamann says he's highly likely to leave, and someone would have to pay £30m.

I'm not a huge fan , but surely an upgrade for oscar and is an exciting player. I would prefer isco if he is made available

Oscar and Gotze are both better then Isco

[DYC. 7,542]

Pep wanted Neymar, Bayern management wouldn't cough up the the necessary money to get him so the alternative was to offer Goetze to Pep. that is well known among Bayern supporters.

I remember Pep wanting Neymar, yeah. I love how Gotze was supposed to be the alternative. So often clubs make buys that don't make sense at all.

[Clockwork 1,794]

I remember Pep wanting Neymar, yeah. I love how Gotze was supposed to be the alternative. So often clubs make buys that don't make sense at all.

Agreed, they sold Pep on the idea Goetze was German own version of Neymar. Different players and different talent level.

I would pass on Goetze for anything above 20m. I question his commitment to football atm and many do.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

I think the first idea was to play Gotze as the false 9, maybe Pep understood its not right and than they got Lewandowski.

Yes it could be what you say indeed.
Oscar and Cesc is very poor choice as neither has strength or balance to keep the ball.

But then again, Cesc is best as CM next to Matic (who should not be blamed or anything, Cesc has privilege to have such defensive partner IMO). Therefore our #10 should be stronger with great defensive ability, but I doubt such player exist (Pogba maybe).
Shifting Cesc to #10 with Matic and another defensive partner would make little sense either, our pivot would have little creativity while Cesc isnt even that great at #10.

While I would give Oscar another season to prove, I dont think him and Cesc at same time could boss the games regardless if there is Matic behind them. Verratti/Pogba/Koke would be very nice, but impossible to buy I think.

Yes, i can agree with that. I believe Willian could do a better job than Oscar in the #10, but than i doubt it will be enough strength for Mourinho in the big games. The best solution is like you mentioned - Pogba/Koke to partner Cesc and Matic. both can play in the pivot (not sure about Pogba) , in the 10, and so does Cesc. I think Cesc could be great at #10 with better pivot behind him, one which doesnt include Ramires.

I agree it looks next to impossible to get one of them, let alone Thiago or Verratti. So my first idea is to get Gundogan, who is a gamble but in his prime he's exactly the player we need i think. if we dont want to take that risk, than its more complicated.

I think the solution will be to get someone like Schniderlin, who would probably play next to Cesc and Matic in most of the big games. Than in other games we could play Willian or Oscar (in case Griezmann is coming and make the RW role his). Mou will have the choice between those 3 (Schniderlin, Wiilian, Oscar) for every game.

I would be more comfortable with this option if we'll ship out Oscar to get someone like Gotze or Isco, but getting Gotze/Isco, Schniderlin and Griezmann sounds like too much. Maybe Cesc-Matic-Gotze/Isco can be enough dominant on the ball in the big games? (so we could do without Schniderlin) if so, maybe Willian can do it too? i really dont know. I just hope in this window that the club and Jose will do their best so we'll have solutions for every situation.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I think the first idea was to play Gotze as the false 9, maybe Pep understood its not right and than they got Lewandowski.

Yes, i can agree with that. I believe Willian could do a better job than Oscar in the #10, but than i doubt it will be enough strength for Mourinho in the big games. The best solution is like you mentioned - Pogba/Koke to partner Cesc and Matic. both can play in the pivot (not sure about Pogba) , in the 10, and so does Cesc. I think Cesc could be great at #10 with better pivot behind him, one which doesnt include Ramires.

I agree it looks next to impossible to get one of them, let alone Thiago or Verratti. So my first idea is to get Gundogan, who is a gamble but in his prime he's exactly the player we need i think. if we dont want to take that risk, than its more complicated.

I think the solution will be to get someone like Schniderlin, who would probably play next to Cesc and Matic in most of the big games. Than in other games we could play Willian or Oscar (in case Griezmann is coming and make the RW role his). Mou will have the choice between those 3 (Schniderlin, Wiilian, Oscar) for every game.

I would be more comfortable with this option if we'll ship out Oscar to get someone like Gotze or Isco, but getting Gotze/Isco, Schniderlin and Griezmann sounds like too much. Maybe Cesc-Matic-Gotze/Isco can be enough dominant on the ball in the big games? (so we could do without Schniderlin) if so, maybe Willian can do it too? i really dont know. I just hope in this window that the club and Jose will do their best so we'll have solutions for every situation.

I wouldnt even want Thiago tbh. So far, too injury prone and doesnt fit into Mou system as Verratti/Pogba would.

Thiago alone is wonderful player, but despite he works hard, he is player born to play in possesion team. Talent would be wasted here. Verratti, Pogba or Koke on other hand can perform brilliantly even in defensive tactics.

[Jase 43,479]

Would be an interesting bet to take IMO. Could be a Fabregas-esque signing.

This guy was meant to be the top talent of his generation alongside Hazard and Neymar...

No thanks.

Doesn't seem to have the drive and commitment to succeed at the highest level. The other two players you mentioned there have gone on to better things and are now a key player in their team while Gotze is still living off the hype at the moment. He probably should have stayed at Dortmund.

[CurlyHairLikeLuiz 1,625]

Yes it could be what you say indeed.

Oscar and Cesc is very poor choice as neither has strength or balance to keep the ball.

But then again, Cesc is best as CM next to Matic (who should not be blamed or anything, Cesc has privilege to have such defensive partner IMO). Therefore our #10 should be stronger with great defensive ability, but I doubt such player exist (Pogba maybe).

Shifting Cesc to #10 with Matic and another defensive partner would make little sense either, our pivot would have little creativity while Cesc isnt even that great at #10.

While I would give Oscar another season to prove, I dont think him and Cesc at same time could boss the games regardless if there is Matic behind them. Verratti/Pogba/Koke would be very nice, but impossible to buy I think.

IMO Mou is moulding him into a CM/old school no 10 for us. Ie defensive, less creativity.

IF he beefs up he will be perfect for us, if not RLC will take his place happily and he will be down the road.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

I wouldnt even want Thiago tbh. So far, too injury prone and doesnt fit into Mou system as Verratti/Pogba would.

Thiago alone is wonderful player, but despite he works hard, he is player born to play in possesion team. Talent would be wasted here. Verratti, Pogba or Koke on other hand can perform brilliantly even in defensive tactics.

A discassion about Thiago is not relevant to Chelsea, but anyway...

I dont think Thiago is very different from Verratti, maybe Verratti is more like a little bulldog off the ball, but Thiago works hard as a CM, and on the ball they are similar. Who cares if his "possession talent" would be wasted under Jose? thats really not something a team should be thinking about when buying huge talent. Thiago could move the ball quick and direct just like any other CM, and a lot better than Pogba and Koke. Lets say Mourinho could have stayed at Real Madrid, and Modric would be his player for more seaons, you would say Modric talent is wasted because he plays under Jose? i think this way of thinking is too systemic. People think Mourinho is more square than he is. He likes different kinds of players, and he wants his team to have possession in a lot of games, probably most games. I think we could have used this kind of players in our system, because they are so talented they could fit anywhere.

Injury prone? it was one injury. You can be worry about another one but he cant be called an injury prone.

[Oscar 441]

Gotze is a perfect example of a player that never fitted the manager...

Just because they don't fit doesn't mean Gotze is bad, however, just because he was a stud at dortmund doesn't mean that would translate to being a stud on every other team.

[iseah100 5,612]

Oscar and Gotze are both better then Isco

LMAO! Oscar is the worst #10 on a top club. Gotze has a much higher ceiling if he gets his shit together.

Gotze will be 23 this year, he's talented but Pep doesn't play him in one spot. I think if we got him and played him in his preferred position he would make us CL contenders. He still has the ability to be one of the best players in the world and for 30m it'd be worth the risk, especially if Cuardado is worth it.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

LMAO! Oscar is the worst #10 on a top club. Gotze has a much higher ceiling if he gets his shit together.

Gotze will be 23 this year, he's talented but Pep doesn't play him in one spot. I think if we got him and played him in his preferred position he would make us CL contenders. He still has the ability to be one of the best players in the world and for 30m it'd be worth the risk, especially if Cuardado is worth it.

LMAO Oscar is great talent! and i dont know why your telling me about the overrated Mario Gotze, i wasnt even comparing Oscar to Gotze so i dont understand your post