Jase 43,479 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Mana said: Have you seen the Liverpool game and how De Gea saved United from losing the game? Don't be silly, of course players shoot straight to the goalkeeper more than half the time. But when they don't, that's when goalkeepers shine. Good god. Yes, De Gea made good saves at Liverpool but they were all saves that you would expect any decent goalkeeper to make. It's not like he had to outstretch himself every time to make saves in that game. 5 minutes ago, Mana said: It's not just the Roma game, as I said my head kept scratching on Courtois but I kept quiet until today. People have a go at Alonso, Moses, Bakayoko, Luiz etc...but not Courtois, who has let in 8 goals since September. That seems small, but if you compare that to the Manchester clubs it's terrible. And the opening day defeat. How can Courtois let in all those goals in? He couldn't even save one. And the penalties. This goes deeper than the Roma game. The Roma game just eye opened me. So because Courtois let in 8 goals in September, that means he's shit? Maybe you should start looking at how our defence defend for those goals to begin with. 5 minutes ago, Mana said: I never said Lloris never makes blunders. But are you saying Courtois never made any blunders? Should I remind you the Hull game back in 2014/15? And the number of times he got sent off? No, you didn't but saying Lloris is outright better than Courtois is just plain dumb. 11Drogba and pHaRaOn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y10edn 185 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jason said: Wait, what? Are you trying to prove Courtois didn't celebrate with a crappy video? to the contrary he was jumping for joy after that brilliant free kick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, y10edn said: to the contrary he was jumping for joy after that brilliant free kick My bad. Couldn't even see the celebration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,909 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 When it comes to him actually making saves I still think he's one of the best around. It's when you compare him against DDG, Lloris, and Ederson with the ball at their feet that you see a chasm between them. Thibaut is absolutely horrific at playing it out from the back. Poor distribution and poor when being closed down. I've watched Ederson in particular a lot recently and he looks as comfortable as an outfield player with the ball. Can't see Courtois ever developing those sort of skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,704 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Are people serious? He is one of the best shot stoppers in the world. He won the golden glove last season... Has he had a poor start? Sure. That is in part to how poor we have been. Mid table keeper? He is the best keeper in the world when on form, if not second best to Neuer. Which goal was he supposed to save last night? Koralov one that no keeper would save? Or how about the header where his defence let the player stroll in? The only one he had a shot at was the volley, and it was absolutely cracked. If a top class shot stopper like Courtois can't get his hands up quick enough over his head, it goes to show you how unexpected and quick that shot was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 10 hours ago, Mana said: Has Courtois ever saved a penalty in the past couple of seasons? Or helped us win a shootout? I'm trying hard to remember, I can't. Courtois has become a mid-table keeper (or even worse). When he was at Atletico, he was like a solid wall. Thou shall not pass. He was good as De Gea. That's why we got rid of Cech because he was suppose to be our future. This is our future really? He is either shite or doesn't give a crap anymore. I hope it's not the latter otherwise I want him out of Chelsea. Tonight (v. Roma) was an eye-opener. I've scratched my head on Courtois a number of times before today, but today was the end of the scratching. He could have at least saved one of those goals. Enough is enough. Today confirmed that Courtois is shite. He's not even as good as Lloris anymore! Lloris is better than Courtois! https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2017/10/19/16502446/thibaut-courtois-kick-saves-chelsea-roma-champions-league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 How can he be praised when every Atletico game he was 9/10, and every game here anywhere between 6 & 9? I don't study goalkeepers, I don't know who is better these days , but if Courtois is the best or even top 3 then a head stone needs placed wherever the first official game was played. The lack of consistency in his commitment emphasizes that as a squad and board, professional mentalities are now rare at Chelsea. We might have 4 adults in our squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Mana said: The first one, come on. That shot was straight to the goalkeeper. I expect most keepers to save that. However, I'll give you the second one. Think Courtois would have saved Kolarov's goal had the shot not taken a slight deflection off Christensen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Mana said: If it didn't get a deflection, and that still went in - it would be more of a blunder. It's just a real shame he didn't save our skins. If he saved that, and we gone on to win 2-1, Courtois would have gotten huge praise from me. Fine margins...more flabbergasted by how poor Azpi's defending was for that goal TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King11Didier 916 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Yeah, being a goalkeeper is always such an ungrateful job... Tibo is probably the least guy to be blamed about our lost yesterday. There was almost nothing he could've done better with such a bad defending from the players in front of him. You also seem to forget his good save against Radja before Roma's 1st goal, where Alonso was 3 minutes away from the situation and let a lot of free space for the opposition, something that happened a lot of times. The only thing I don't like in Tibo is that he is never sure about coming out and taking high balls, eventhough he is almost always the tallest guy in the box, it's like his weakness. But apart from that, he is a really solid GK and I'm thankfull we have him. Mathewe and grotenbees 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathewe 65 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 4 hours ago, King11Didier said: Yeah, being a goalkeeper is always such an ungrateful job... Tibo is probably the least guy to be blamed about our lost yesterday. There was almost nothing he could've done better with such a bad defending from the players in front of him. You also seem to forget his good save against Radja before Roma's 1st goal, where Alonso was 3 minutes away from the situation and let a lot of free space for the opposition, something that happened a lot of times. The only thing I don't like in Tibo is that he is never sure about coming out and taking high balls, eventhough he is almost always the tallest guy in the box, it's like his weakness. But apart from that, he is a really solid GK and I'm thankfull we have him. He also made a vital save with his foot from a Kolarov cross from the byline that was heading straight to Dzeko for a tap in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Da fuq have i just read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,054 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Surprised this thread is the most lively one after yesterday. Might have been slightly at fault for Dzeko's first alongside Christensen, but he kept it at only three. King11Didier and Blue Armour 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Yeah, that third goal was pathetic. It's also getting clearer and clearer that other GKs have surpassed Courtois at this point. You can count the games Courtois single-handedly won us in the past 3 years on one hand; that's just not good enough for a someone who's supposed to be top-3 in his position. You can blame our defense as long as you want but like strikers, sometimes you just need your GK to win a game on his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Nobody will change an opinion I have had for about 3 seasons on this guy....He really isn't as good as people say he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I think he is good GK, however he should organise his defence better. But long shot goals are getting ridiculous. Opponents are popping euro goals on regular basis, Tibo should save more of those shots... kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 It shouldn't be ignored that he was an absolutely superior player for Atletico. Maybe one or 2 performances for us have been 'woah', but every single game for Atletico was a woah for him. We know his heart isn't here, and mine wouldn't be either if i'd helped an underdog become a top dog in a country with a far superior lifestyle. The only advantage we offer him is more money, and the amount we offer vs. Atletico's makes - zero - difference to a person's quality of life & happiness. So, actually contradicting that; we offer nothing that Atletico don't, really. They actually offer more in terms of charm on the pitch and lifestyle off of it. I was really itching to sell him for 50-80m after his Atletico stint; we could've signed anyone with that money at that time. Even with fees going crazy now, I can't see that window for a mega fee being open again. Partly too because every club with cash has already been identifying their own long term keeper. I really dislike having players here who'd rather be elsewhere. Fernando 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 17 hours ago, Mana said: Bumping this up again because surprise surprise...Courtois has made a blunder for the third goal! (Yes the defence Alonso, Luiz, Rudiger etc. was super shite, you don't need to pinpoint it to me here) I wasn't kidding when I said back in the Everton Carbabo Cup game, that Willy has made more crucial saves than Courtois all season. Give Willy a chance this Sunday. He should have done a lot better for the third goal but from what i saw (had to watch the highlights as i had a commitment that stopped me watching live) he again prevented the score being even worse. Courtois doesn't make the type of saves Caballero did vs Everton mainly because he doesn't have too, his positioning is so good he makes even borderline impossible saves look easier than they are. If he leaves, we will quickly realise just how good we had it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,704 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'll say it again. One of the best keepers in the world. When he does see, you'll realise. His positioning is top notch. People getting overwhelmed by diving saves because the keepers are smaller or out of position unlike Courtois. Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,054 Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'll say it again. One of the best keepers in the world. When he does see, you'll realise. His positioning is top notch. People getting overwhelmed by diving saves because the keepers are smaller or out of position unlike Courtois. One of the best shot stoppers for sure. However, his distribution is almost nonexistent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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