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Yep the difference is one is played while the other watches Floppes from the bench - coming from one of the biggest Poorres apologists on the forum your comment doesn't surprise me one bit.

So since the start of the season he had played a total of 295 minutes - one third of that amount was in one match against United where he played 120 minutes(where he also scored a goal). No matter what type of dross you type up in the remaining 160 minutes mostly came as cameo's in which you could not expect even Messi to make miracles happen. You don't believe me here is the proof: EPL 22-08-2012 Chelsea 4 : 2 Reading 22 6.75 IUSC 31-08-2012 Chelsea 1 : 4 Atletico Madrid 9 EPL 15-09-2012 Queens Park Rangers 0 : 0 Chelsea 9 6.28 EPL 20-10-2012 Tottenham 2 : 4 Chelsea 7 6.84 ICL 23-10-2012 Shakhtar Donetsk 2 : 1 Chelsea 20 6.28 EPL 28-10-2012 Chelsea 2 : 3 Manchester United 8 6 ECC 31-10-2012 Chelsea *5 : 4 Manchester United 90' EPL 03-11-2012 Swansea 1 : 1 Chelsea 17 5.9 ICL 07-11-2012 Chelsea 3 : 2 Shakhtar Donetsk 0 6.03 EPL 11-11-2012 Chelsea 1 : 1 Liverpool 8 5.92 EPL 17-11-2012 West Bromwich Albion 2 : 1 Chelsea 90 7 In bold are the minutes he played at "40%" Oscar unlike Sturridge actually is played regularly - you might instead comment on Moses who is treated in a similar way to Sturridge. But even he has many more matches despite competing with far better players like Hazard/Mata/Oscar for a start. Even if Sturridge played at 40% - which I doubt anyone here would agree with - it would still make him 40% better than 0% Floppes. You're whole comment is laughable

The same board that sacked the manager after he benched Poorres? The same board that allowed us to start a season with Poorres as first choice? The same board who bought in players to play the way Poorres needs in order to be effective? The same board that brough in the FSW Poorres favorite manager? The same board that send Lukaku on loan and didn't recall him in the winter? The same board that in the past year have pushed Drogba; Anelka and Sturridge out the door to make room for Poorres? Yep lets blame RdM for not starting Sturridge it's fairly obvious it's all his fault

Happy Birthday Lukaku

Well it's unrealistic for him to go to any other Spanish Giants, so realistically the only clubs that can afford him are us; City; PSG; and Monaco - City; PSG already have quite a few top quality strikers, and obviously we are not going to fork 50 million for a 27 year old after the Poorres fiasco, specially if the forward is not blond

How is he different - well he is playing pretty constantly when not injured, that pretty much confirms what most expected. When given a run up top whether it's Pool; Bolton or us he has pretty much scored a goal on average in under 160 minutes on the field. Even playing out of position for us under AVB he had the most game changing goals from open play last season. Simply put you didn't see this side of him because he only played two matches up top for us for 6 months and during those two matches he wanted to do too much - which is natural because he was constantly having to prove himself here. There is more to Sturridge not starting here, than simply RdM not ratting him - RdM the same person who made a long video over viewing how Poorres was failing here and the type of goals he used to score for Looserpool. It was a decision which was above RdM's head most likely I doubt any manager would have been happy with two strikers to start the season off with, especially when you know you would playing around 70 matches.

At least watch some of his matches before making these type of comments, he provides far more to Liverpool than just goals. As was the case while he was here, he beats defenders, his passing is actually very good(averaging 2 key passes per match at Pool), he holds the ball up quite well and brings others into play and his movement and anticipation is actually what you'd expect for a striker. There is a reason why he is able to position himself well for tap ins and easy goals his movement is miles better than Poorres for example, who has no clue what he is doing when he enters the box and usually runs away from the goal rather than trying to get into position for an easy chance.

Until we actually have a striker who is banging goals in at a similar rate(under 130 minutes per goal) this thread will get bumped. It's fairly natural for me and others to be livid with our board - for crippling our club for the season by basically giving Floppes free reign while marginalizing better players like Sturridge and Lukaku. Sturridge was fit for 14 matches before our Juve clash, yet he only started one match instead of Floppes, who banned due to his red card against United. I don't think it's RdM's call to start Floppes so much and to have ONLY two strikers in the squad while our rivals had at least 3 players who were better than Floppes for their forward position.

Lukaku and Sturridge together next season would have been one of the best forward lines in Europe - just because we got Lukaku doesn't mean that we should not have had Sturridge. The pisstake is that we didn't get rid of Sturridge due to Lukaku - the only reason he isn't here, is a blonde who has failed to score in the Premier League since December. If we had Lukaku around and played him ahead of Torres - I would understand letting go of Sturridge. That was not the case - we just had Torres and Ba, Ba can't even play in the Europa League. Yet some are happy with this crippling scenario even though Torres had already cost us chances in the CWC. As expected Sturridge is scoring regularly when given a chance up top - a chance he deserved here, a chance that didn't materialize. Just because he is playing for Looserpool doesn't suddenly make me dislike him - because he did all he could to become a First Team player here. Went on loan to prove himself; played out of position didn't moan when he wasn't playing; never said a bad world after leaving even though it would have been perfectly understandable after the frustration of watching Torres starting ahead of him; didn't even celebrate against us. All the bullsh*t about him not being tested up top; selfish; bad attitude is exactly that - BULLSH*T

http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/15183-everton-v-chelsea/?p=573377 Turned out to be 100% correct - outscored Ba and Torres combined with ease despite playing less minutes than both, brilliant transfer by our board. Other than Robben the only player we have made a profit on during Roman's reign

If Ba doesn't play, than FSW and our Board have pretty much sabotaged any chances of a top 4 finish this season, it's a bloody joke - we would have secured top 4 finish if we had played Kalou in front of Mata and Hazard for 2400 minutes. I swear that goal against Basel is probably the first goal Torres scored off a rebound shot this season, most of the time he just looks at disgust from the edge of the area as team mates decide to take a shot instead of threading a ball into his delicate feet so he can loose it, his got the reflexes of a bloody turtle. "What is this bloody shooting at goal business, pass me the ball into my feet while I'm surrounded by 2 central defenders, bloody idiot" That's what he is the most likely thing he is probably thinking in his mind, judging from interviews I think he is deluded enough to actually he could do anything when he does occasionally by some miracle actually get that killer ball due to a defensive fuck up by the oppostion. 14 goals in 78 appearances int he League beyond pathetic - the board have done their bloody best to screw us up

Ba didn't play midweek yet a few decent performances against subpar teams in the Europa League ensured mr.invisible started and played a full 96 minute match ahead of BA who has scored more important goals for CFC in a few months than Torres has scored in more than two years. It's a big fat joke - which the fat spanish waiter is playing on us. Sturridge showed what we could have had for the first 6 months of the year, he produced a display in 45 minutes which dwarfs what Floppes has done the entire season at the club as first choice. Mr. Invisible has not scored a goal in the League for over 900 minutes that's 9 FULL MATCHES, Sturridge has played a total of 900 minutes this season in the League and has 6 goals. Since coming to CFC BA has played a total of 791 in ALL COMPETITIONS and has 4 goals. Biggest flop of all time, yet we play him ahead of BA and Sturridge? It's a joke really - he will end up costing us 4th placed if Tubby continues to play him in the League.

No West Brom have Lukaku, we have Torres and Ba, Ba is an situation similar to Sturridge - "rested" for next weekend while that Ghost plays 96 minutes doing fuck all. If we had sold Sturridge while having better players in the squad to replace him I'd understand but we have the biggest flop of all time playing for us and you rationalize it with the amount we paid for him. There is no rationalizing stupidity - when you make a mistake you rectify it. You don't start a season hoping that mistake would miraculously turn into World Beater. Sturridge has 6 goals in the League in 900 minutes TOTAL, Torres has 7 goals in the League in 2375 minutes TOTAL Daniel has in a short time scored against us; City and United being MOTM against us and City, Torres has never been MOTM for us in the League in a big clash, this season in 2375 minutes he has one goal against a top 5 side and that was in September against Arsenal.

I don't care about financial commitments. Fucking Carroll was signed by Liverpool for 35 million pounds - didn't stop them from loaning him to West Ham which is his level - Torres should be loaned to fucking QPR, they fucking deserve a striker like him

That's another myth He never made such a demand, he has publicly always said he is happy to play anywhere the coach asks but ideally would like to play through the middle.

O Rly? You know what loosing out on the top 4 because of that blonde piece of crap will cost us nearly as much as we have spend on him. HE HAS NOT SCORED A GOAL IN THE LEAGUE SINCE DECEMBER. Meantime Sturridge scored goals against Us; City; Manchester United - for half an year Sturridge has more important goals for Liverpool in the League than Torres has for over 2 years at CFC!

Kaka is costing as much but is kept on the bench for Real, it's why our treatment of Torres is a farce

He did not want to play because for an year and a half that blonde piece of crap was selected up top despite being outscored by Sturridge the whole time.

In 738 minutes for Liverpool in the League Sturridge has scored 6 goals. In the meantime Torres hasn't scored in over 900 minutes in the League - his last goal was in December against Villa. One of the main reasons we are struggling to finish in the top 4 is the baffling decision to let Torres play/stay ahead of Sturridge.

In 738 minutes for Liverpool in the League Sturridge has scored 6 goals. In the meantime Torres hasn't scored in over 900 minutes in the League - his last goal was in December against Villa. One of the main reasons we are struggling to finish in the top 4 is the baffling decision to let Torres play/stay ahead of Sturridge.

Funny thing is that he is playing real well in Europa League against the likes of Steaua; Rubin etc but in the League he hasn't scored since mid December against Villa. 800 minutes in the League without goals, lets see how he does against City today since Ba is injured. I won't hold my breath, he has only scored 1 goal against top half opposition Either way we need to get rid of him, waste of 175k wages.

Only Floppes fanboys felt that way, using people like Backstreet as an example about people thinking he might return to form is retarded. It was very crystal clear for most people that a striker who is capable of going 24 hours without a goal should not be our automatic first choice. That was the problem - not Torres mistake but the fact the whole team was build around the biggest transfer fiasco in the History of the game. Ba was signed in the winter and can't play in the Europa League - last winter we had 5 players capable of playing up top now we have two. Ba is also a player who is an injury away from retirement Same people who though Torres should get an year as a first choice striker - fanboys. Deciding a player isn't good enough based on a handful of appearances and ONE start while have the indecency of thinking Floppes will come good just proves they are living in La La Land. It's the boards fault because they have made it crystal clear it's the Floppes show this season, only match Sturridge played ahead of Floppes was when Floppes was banned due to his retarded actions against United. I blame the Board Floppes and Roman equally - people using the FSW and Floppes as a scapegoat are ridiculous, FSW was signed to get the best out of Floppes; by our inept board who fired our only Champions League winning manager; after they had made sure Floppes was the only striker he could possibly use.

It's not a matter of what the gimp said - it's the board's actions which are fucking ridiculous, his retarded comments are the tip of the iceberg. Torres was finished and they put the club in the middle of the Ocean with no paddle by sancitioning we start the season with Torres as an automatic number one. The board DIDN'T sign another striker The board allowed Lukaku to go on loan The board allowed Sturridge to be sold The board sacked RDM The board hired the FSW The fact that the FSW is the perfect scapegoat doesn't change the fact that it's the board that fucked us over the season and they bare all the blame for the Floppes situation. Kenyon seems like a fucking Nobel winning genius compared to the current gimps running the show, signing Sheva actually looks inspired compared to Floppes

Our board specifically Gourley should hand in their fucking resignations - they ruined our season by making Torres undroppable, now they are making us the joke of Europe by selling Sturridge and leaving Torres the only senior striker in the squad for the Europa League. If it's all Roman's decision he should step down and put one of his children in charge. "We've got Fernando Torres and Fernando Torres is the man that we will go forward with and Fernando Torres will score us the goals. We have no doubt that Fernando Torres is a world-class centre-forward and Fernando Torres will score goals for Chelsea. I’m not worried about Fernando at all. We've just won the Champions League and Fernando Torres played his part in that.” That's what the fat c**t Ron said after our CL victory - go resign, you've no idea what you're doing

Massive chance for City - the f**k is our defense doing